Say kids what time is that? The future is coming on it's coming on it's And here we are coming live to you from Boulder Creek, California From San Francisco with Bobby a Bobby you there. Yes. I'm here. All right. All right. We're a peppy sunny day today It's as good as it gets here on a winter day in the Golden Age of global warming It's sunny. It's brisk and it's beautiful There might even be some rainbows because we had almost three-fourths of an inch of rain last night So everything's kind of misty. Yeah, yeah, very dynamic outside. You get a chance to go out today It would be a good day. All right, and why don't we just let people know up front that if they do want to text us today We're gonna be monitoring the text channel at 8 3 1 3 3 7 2 2 8 if you want to text us But the interactive part of the show is very important, but we do also have a lot of fascinating Oh, yeah, a lot of great stories today a lot of amazing stuff both in the biological realms and in the the tech space realms Yes, kind of fun. Yes indeed one of the things that's really shifting in a little bit in terms of the future of the devices we're using or carrying is Info from Apple about how they may stop vision pro production as their components for the existing line are piling up They're not selling them as well as they had hoped Yes, well, this is a kind of article that is one of those Pundit organizations that looks at Apple's orders and Speculates about what that tells us about the future of their production cycle apparently They're not ordering a whole bunch of new materials for their Apple vision pro goggles therefore We're speculating that that means that they're gonna minimize the production because they probably just haven't sold as many as they thought Yeah, yeah they paused development shall we say they put a pause on it and You know, I personally I'm looking forward to them coming up with the Apple glasses where it's just like a pair of glasses except that it has all the Magical abilities of virtual and augmented reality combined that would be over the top well They do say that the goggles were Anticipated to be for the beta developer first adopter community. They were they were not doing the mainstream Version of the product and so when they do the mainstream version of the product it'll be more akin to the glasses The smart glasses say that meta is developing Yeah, it'll be more like the Ray bands that you're seeing there that they're coming out with now Yeah, the Ray bands are very cool. Have you tried those Bobby? The Ray bands, but I do I want to try some do they cost as much as the vision pro? I think everybody's waiting for a vision pro to that. Yeah, exactly anything That's thirty five hundred dollars right out the gate is gonna be a limited cell Yeah, or by depending on which side you're on the vision pro looks kind of bulky I've heard people complain about how it hurts their necks and of course you're not even carrying the battery pack You carry that on a belt so it doesn't matter how much you pat it your neck Just doesn't like to have all that extra weight on your head Yeah, the rate was a cooler and very lightweight I think that is probably more in alignment with what people want. Yeah, yeah the reviews of the vision pro have been positive and Apple has been demoing them in their stores, but I think that steep price tag is keeping that demand low They did say that it's for early adopters initially not the mass market and they're opening up new stores on Vision Pro from South Korea In the United Arab Emirates, so they haven't given up on it yet Right, so we can still expect progress in that department Maybe just not on the front burner the iPhones have the last years of these iPhones. They have stereoscopic Vision so that you can actually shoot material for the vision pro and so I think more materials come out Where you can shoot in stereo optically? Oh, so you can create videos for it from your iPhone. Yes Yeah, spatialized video. Yeah, it's 3d kind of yeah Yeah, yeah, that I haven't heard a lot about what I mostly heard from Apple about lately has been Apple intelligence. Oh Yeah, I just got my 18 to know m4 Mac mini Good things about that This is the best bang for your buck period. This is like it's a fucking rocket ship. Sorry about that He's excited So fast For 599 just wait until the 18th for Costco's gonna sell it for $4.99. Oh, they just sell like hotcakes is your prediction It sounds like and this just in time for Thanksgiving Yeah, that's it mr. Future. Yeah You can put three monitors on it and it's got five Thunderbolt ports on it. It's crazy fast screaming now We are you gonna get the 32 gig model or 16 the base model 16 I just double what the old one was that's right because before you know I have like 30 tabs open and and the M1 Mac mini would slow down, but this thing has got twice as much RAM so I can fill up maybe a hundred tabs without On multiple browsers. Yeah, I never knew you were such an Apple fan boy, Bobby I knew you were a tech head, but sounds like you're really diving deep into it this time Yeah, Bobby knows amazing things about this. I tell you I because of Bobby. I have Bravo now installed on my machine She's good brief. That's it. I know it is a great break The ads on YouTube now, you know, you don't have to watch the ads. It's great brain browser. Yeah, no I was a PC boy because you know I built IBM PC since 1980. That's what I always thought I always thought you were a nerd on the obscure side of the equation not on the Apple side But when I looked at the M1 chip, I realized they have just leapfrogged Intel and AMD They have a chip now that's Apple silicon and it's faster much more efficient And I realized these risk processors is a wave of the future Yeah, and that got me in about two years ago or 2020 when it came out three years three four years M1 chip damn one. Yeah, I'm one good. I got two at the same time. Yeah, you have it and Sun's still happy with hers Yeah, yeah, well, I'd not a speed freak like you guys just have 30 things to work tabs open at the same time No, I typically am doing one app although very demanding apps, you know, I use the full Adobe suite I do a lot of editing and I do a lot of sound and video and that's true And then you did move to two screens just this last week, too. That's right Multi task you go multiple. It's hard to go back. I mean, what's next three screens? Yeah, sure right now Because it can do it. Yeah, can the can the old Mac mini M1 do three screens? No, you could only do two I want to I want to survey Bobby. What do you primarily put on which screen like when you have those Screen what do you have yourself? I have this ultra wide LG screen and it's on my left side and that has my zoom The brave browser on there, but then on the right I have all the links page and I have the brave browser over here So I'm looking at all the articles on the right side that we're gonna talk about and then on the left side It's got my VPN my I message my notes But it's more of the reminder interactive stuff, but it's just waiting for you to pay attention. It's not where you're actively engaged. That's right. Yeah, sort of like your desktop. That's what you're doing, too Right, you're how they're made exactly the same. That's why I was curious because I've only recently gone to a two screen Display myself and I wasn't in a big rush, but when I finally did I opened up those same three windows so I keep my reminders my chat and Couple of other apps that maybe I'm engaged with for real-time communications Social or something like that. So Bobbi knowing what you know about Apple's evolution. What do you think is gonna be next? Do you think they're gonna release a new cheaper version of Apple version for what do you think they've given up on it? You know, I think there's gonna be well, that's a good question I think there's gonna be Vision Pro 2 that's probably half the price or it should be and then people will start buying 1500 something like that. Yes I think that's kind of reasonable for what it can do I've yet to try one but I really do want to try one from the demos I've seen it sounds pretty amazing. Well the stories are that if they depend heavily on the phone then the visor could be a lot lighter Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of the processing can be done on your phone and I think when they're gonna integrate Apple intelligence I think they're gonna probably create an agent that shows up in your glasses and it's an avatar It looks very real, you know Yeah, and it'll be talking to you and I think the two will talk to each other That's what I envision in the future. Yeah, I guess it could be any voice or look that you want for our future You can have your mother there. Yeah, you can have your ex-girlfriend Yeah, I guess it really depends on how you like your information presented to you. Yeah, it's gonna sound like Siri with female Yeah, probably, you know, yeah, probably yeah I do like the fact that we're getting more choices on voices though. That's really wonderful choices on voices Still sound very mechanical. Yeah, I think even Larry and Mary. Yeah, especially Larry and Mary Yeah, you can you do have a report from them later by the way. Yeah, they're cadence They do try to have some emotion, but you can detect it. It's a little bit robotic, but it's gonna get better Yeah, what I'm curious is that if any of these completely artificial entities are getting any social media traction, but they're not there. They're actually getting fan clubs Why don't you ask them? Can you get an interesting information you can create a podcast channel with these things? I've heard it's not just you I've heard other YouTube channels and they're just straight out. They're just using notebook And they're just taking stories and putting it and just having these two people talk. Yeah, and apparently it's a whole publicity Service that different ad firms provide Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it seems like I find when I run into something like that You know what my first reaction is a little it's all it's fake That's just fully AI. Oh, I don't want to hear that. Yeah me too. Me too. It's kind of like oh somebody cheated Yeah, you get very tired of the padded content Where two or three headlines is repeated in a slightly different order four or five times throughout the article And why do we have this because a bunch of people read or watched a YouTube movie on how to make money fast Yeah, it's annoying by putting up fake channels or channels real information, but completely synthesized in a few seconds You know we we fed grok some questions about our podcast today And for one thing it had a little trouble finding it It sort of acted like we weren't there even when we told it to go and check on santa Cruz voice But even though it said that it couldn't find us It then went on to describe us and then it understand a cruise voice it talked about our show And when we gave it our old archive the dr. Future show link Then it gave us absolutely beautiful reviews It compared us favorably to other podcasts that may be in the same space and said that we're better because we have Optimistic sense of humor and our personalities are really fun and the stuff we cover is really interesting So yeah, I gave us a thumbs up on our 20 how many years of work here Practice our 15 years of work grok has given us a positive review. Wait. Do we get our video that stuff incorporated into this That's how this is grok lp you right so which it's a hardware based thing and it's not the X ai which is the Colossus Well, we did it from x Alan signed up for grok. So we're I signed up for grok premium actually it's premium. It's x premium with grok Because I wanted to try the new experimental grok mods I was looking for example to see if you can get grok in an audible mode Kind of like we do a siri or elixir and it looks like people are experimenting with it But there's nothing that's really available without a little bit of nerd manipulation To get it what I should tell you is there are two grok's. Okay. Yeah, the original grok was called rgr. Oh Q And was that a third party is another another third party and they claim You I'll send you this video where you can create an agent And it will respond in real time. It can make phone calls like robo call like no other It can actually ask and quiz the person on the other end and respond immediately And it's 20 times faster than the grok that you're talking about on x GRO Q, huh? Yeah, or you regularly as opposed to ggr. Okay. Yes And if GRO Q is based on a new hardware system that is vastly superior to nvidia So x is actually using the nvidia hgx h100 and a hundred thousand of these things You know, we'll probably talk about this But again, this this other grok is actually their own hardware and it's designed for other things It's designed for inference and it's not designed for training like what elan musk is doing is Developing the largest supercomputer for training the AI got someone outside of memphis, right? Yes, but this other grok they have their own processors and it's designed to take the data or learning That's out there and then respond in real time So Both would make the ultimate AI system, you know, so the most dynamic. Yeah. Yeah, okay Well, just a fun fact for those of you who don't know grok was a martian term originally Heleast in the book stranger in strange land by rubber right like I grok you Well, it's how people understand each other. Yeah, it was like the hot tub together, right? Right. I grok him and I meant to do understand profoundly and also intuitively So an intuitive profound understanding of someone or what they're saying. I was highly spelling that g r o k Oh, really? Okay. Uh-huh the way that elan spells it for x and it kind of makes sense because he's connection with mars and Of course stranger in strange land martian was the star of that book Which interestingly enough they never really made a movie out of it that I know of it's such a famous book and yet never a movie I wonder why? So here just a little like wiki search on g r o q grok It's a company that specializes in ai chips that improve the performance of ai chatbots So it's designed to optimize the processing of the tensor whatever that is. I guess that's a chip performance thing and supports single core and multi core configurations And the founder ceo jonathan ross trademarked the name grok g r o q in 2016 So there you go as opposed to elan musk's x ai or grok. Yeah, and why should I care about that one? I just thought you'd like to because it has a capacity of real-time Information that yeah sounds very profound. Well, and it specifically meant to improve chatbots chatbots. Yeah, so g r o q is the best friend of chatbots. Yeah Chatbots seem like a natural way to interact with the machines. Yeah, it seems like as long as they admit that they're chatbots. It's a very useful ai for Getting retrieval from large data sets Should they say that they're a chatbot as soon as they introduce themselves to you that they're not really I do not know the answer to that. You know, should they idea you have to ask them Should the government force an idea on every chatbot? Yes Think it'll stick. I mean, come on Well, it's inevitable that if you're going to go towards any kind of You need a verification system for yeah If you want to accurately map reality in some aspect of the metaverse then you're going to need to have signature IDs for all the interactions It's a little more complicated when you think that you could take your voice and Copy it a million times and have each of those strands of yourself answering questions from people Searching for information. Well in terms of the evolution It's the it's the Memorial soup of the future ai beings like right now it's rampant experimentation and Multiple copies of everything but in the future There'll be a die off of the things that aren't able to compete in okay You see you're an optimization of those that are the most useful and efficient evolution ho Oh Oh a little bit more on the original grok. It was also used to describe how two entities can merge To create a new reality that's not one but Greater than the sum of its parts. Oh, that's from strange from a strange land Yeah, he didn't say not one but it's greater than the sum of its parts. So maybe that is the mysterious one in another context Yeah, what's greater than the sum of its part the true one Well, and then he'd give an example. They said on Mars Drinking water is a central focus there because it's scarce kind of like in dune Right and so when you drink the water it becomes part of the drinker and the drinker part of the water and And so they grok each other I like it mutual consumption. Yeah, that's original so grok is the new AI kind of And I tried some experiments with grok so far I'm still learning a lot one of the things that I'm experimenting with is that it doesn't have the guardrails that other Texted image generators do you mean you can glue a face of a famous political figure on to one of your AI art generations? Trump flying on a salmon salmon. Yes Sam Flying Sam flying a salmon with a face of Donald Trump And it basically had a flying salmon And then it just stuck a picture of Donald Trump on top of it. It says is this what you're looking for? No, that's two-third grade for me. Come on There was there was no Trump salmon face. Yeah, it was not integrated to the salmon It was just like two pieces of art that were thrown into the same frame Yeah, remember we're experimenting with meta for a while and and one of the scenes was the city we can get Trump in front of the White House addressed at the orange with his orange overcoat that he was doing for the garbage man And picking up trash and that was a garbage and picking up trash around the White House And it did do that. We were able to get that with META So in terms of political commentary I think x might have a little more freedom for us there I'll look forward to seeing what's possible there for comic political commentary graphic stuff cartoons I haven't seen any animation there yet though. Yeah, well, I'm imagining that there are other AIs that are more optimized for the visual art. Oh, they are. I think that's the key I mean, you're just listening to Elon Musk speak It seems that he is fascinated with numbers and physics and certainty and math and things that are not particularly visual in nature and I would be Expecting the AI that he favors to be very code oriented as opposed to art oriented Just because of the nature of Elon himself. Yeah. Yeah, and the people who would be interested in working with him Yeah, well, that's a good guess but they are developing video stuff and not having guardrails on images is pretty profound Well, when you say not having guardrails again, we watched the most recent interview with Elon Musk on Joe Rogan And they discussed the guardrails. They did a little demo of grok and tried to take the guardrails off while they got some Lude, I don't remember what their prompt was but they kept looking for something that was a little more explicit than So I had some guardrails in yeah, and it turned out that the grok AI was very Formally polite very similar to Elon Musk. So I think it's been instructed not to go too far out of bounds for decency No, you're a billionaire's belief system And that's all over the place too, but I have some my anti friends Send me articles that are obvious propaganda to me But they use techniques propaganda techniques presenting negative information about like trump or elon One of the classic methods that you might run into is a bullet points. You know august 8th 2023 Yeah, right it says like a dragnet episode But it's really about the points they're trying to make and about to show how sure and if you string together dozens of slightly Manipulated and nuanced statements as if they're all completely true and completely believable You get a certain fatigue where you just start going wow really this sounds like it's horrible and the right Incriminations in your tone of voice. Yeah, so beware Beware of the ais ability to fool you the key there is really understand how current Medium manipulation works. I'm talking in this case about technique with sinister tones or da da da You know to make points at the that are Uncondulatory towards someone all this sort of thing to recognize that when they're being used And if they're used repeatedly over and over again, it's more likely propaganda if it's used once Maybe that's just form of effect to make the point of the documentary But if it's overly used it definitely is trying to promulgate a point of view It behooves you then at that point to see okay Well, what's the point that they're trying to make are you subject to propaganda or are you propaganda literate? I'd say most of us having a clue Well, listen, let's find out. It's time for a break Okay, why don't we do a little santa cruise voice propaganda and see if people are subject to believing it or not All right. You ready? All right. 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What would it what would it say? Well, first of all, it should sound like a dog. I think Okay, so maybe what about That would scare people I think how about maybe something more That is a very poor Recording of a dog. No, it's not good enough. Oh, yes Not so good No, that sounds too small You know what a big giant boston dynamics robot dog sounding like a She say scary dog. Look for a scary dog. Okay. Let's try scary scary. Scary dog growl scary monster dog Okay scary dog growl Oh Yeah, that guy is on guard duty. Yeah for sure. Okay, so we'll suggest that Carl i'll go Who's a boston dynamics boston dynamics Yeah, those things are fierce looking well this dog is red and white but not blue red white and black They should put a sign on do not pet right Right amazing safeguarding the president elect his top priority says anthony gilimi u.s. Secret service chief of communications While we cannot get into the specific capabilities the robot dogs are equipped with surveillance technology and an array of advanced sensors that Support our protective operations. Oh, this is hilarious. You know the name of this dog Taser on it maybe listen to the name of this dog. What's that autonomous systems and technical robotic operations stands for a st r Rastro. Oh, remember the Jetsons dog Rastro All right So you say they can also detect bombs and chemical threats and can tell how kind of soap you used the last time you took a shower You made that I did To make that up They should have good smell sensors, but they do have thermal imaging. They have high resolution zoom They probably have a ability to bark Hey, you yeah, it didn't say anything about barking. It's the first thing I thought it's because it's the secret service They're not going to tell you tell me it's gonna have barks. Yeah, probably be able to also have like a walkie-talkie capability. Uh-huh where Much much like security cameras have a little later in the article They talked about how one of these robo dogs was used last year in New York after the collapse of that parking garage Yeah, and the fire department was utilizing a robot dog to search for survival So I imagine they had to have some kind of a walkie-talkie system, right? Oh, yeah Yeah, I'm sure they do I was thinking that real dogs could be trained to work with robot dogs I'm talking about really small robo dogs like the size of a ball like a dog ball They would go into the rubble and and cruise around Listening on its sensors for any signs of life like breathing heartbeat stuff like that Then if it detects something Yeah, dog ball dog ball Then it's in the real dog to fetch it well when it finds something it would emit a frequency Combination that dogs could hear that would get through the rubble more easily than most frequencies You know the ticket advantage the dogs capacity to hear better than us and in frequency ranges beyond ours To help let us know when there's somebody in trouble I'm thinking of trying to portray that using the AI Text image information in New York. They call them the police have their own digi dog They call them a k-9 unit And they're used in the Ukraine for delivering supplies and monitoring enemy areas Uh-huh, they got to run across the planes to deliver food and supplies from trench to trench My boy better to be a robot than a human if it's ever so if you're being targeted by drone bombs When you know how real dog owners have so much trouble training their dogs and you can't teach an old dog new tricks But with robo dogs all you need is an update. That's right update them See we're very lucky that they're not alive because then you don't mind putting them in the arms way Story about how a robot watches how to videos and it becomes an expert surgeon in the process Watching youtube Well, this is you know a major university uh john's hopkins. Well, this example is very preliminary I mean how to videos for surgeons, right? How do you think they learn? How do you think the robot surgeons learn? Well, no, I think in real life in real life, you know a real surgeon learns by watching a pro do the same thing Right and then does it and have the pro watch him to make sure that he's learning the technique Sure, so why not use some of that same Learning strategies for teaching the machines Right, and so that's what john's hopkins has been doing to train the robot surgeons Right and it's working. They have a team now led by a guy named axel kryger who is using what they call imitation learning milestones and thinking huh yeah for evolutionary technique they call it They said quote it's really magical to have this model and all we do is feed it camera input And they can predict the robotic movements needed for surgery says kryger Which is a step forward. Hey bobbie. It looks like it's learning how to suture When you have what is it when you have stitches in your head or something? Well, according to the article There's three areas where they've been very pleased with the results and again. These are very preliminary these surgical robots They're just robot arms with certain surgical tools on the end and these robots are being used to do things that Maybe a surgical nurse might be doing in the operating room. So they're being taught to Lift certain tissues maybe up and out of the way They're being used to suture. Is that when you cut something? Is that suturing? No, no, that's when you block it so it doesn't bleed right? That's when you sew two signs of the slit of let's say your skin is cut open with a knife or something It's like sewing It's like sewing. Yeah, so for instance if you were getting stitches, that's suturing Okay, so they have a really good video of these two robot fingers that are both like little tweezers like little joint holders You know and these tweezers are holding a string on one side And then the fingers are post having used a needle to get the string through the tissue They're tying it off and those are the kind of things that they're teaching the robots to do Yeah, pro lisa when katia was surfing a board hitter chin And it just broke it wide open underneath the lip And it was about an inch long and you could see her teeth on the other side. Oh wow, that's bad So we went to the emergency at kizer This was in koma because she was at pacifica when she was surfing so we went to the close And there was a japanese surgeon there plastic surgeon And he immediately took her and we go into this room and he allowed me to be in the room and I watched him suture This lip together And I was so amazed how agile he was with his two fingers and using the needle and tying the knots and going across And he did it so quickly and it was perfect and today she does not have a scar Wow That's amazing Well, I don't think that these particular robot Simple are they they said are ready for that level What they learned what they've learned is like if you drop a needle they'll pick it up and continue You know, they figured out how to do stuff like that And some strategies that more even taught it it learned along those lines, which is interesting What I heard is if you know how to use chopsticks You're actually better surgeons You don't so I assume this japanese guy had learned using chopsticks as a kid I'll just remind you my favorite memory of these robot surgeons that is now several years old Is when there was a tattoo robot That was being tested remotely on a girl who was being paid to be the guinea pig And this surgical robot actually did a tattoo on her arm over the course of about half an hour It has that level of precision to be able to prick the skin exactly right and do it Of course, it depends on the human not moving around It does. Yeah, I think tattoo robots are going to be the next big thing Is that two robots say? Yeah, to print something on your skin that looks so real And well, I've I've fed tattoo artists feel differently about that. Yes a robot robot. Not there. No, no I Don't know man robots and pain No, they're probably going to be more successful doing things like house cleaning Yeah, it's rather very packages helping people get in and out of bed if they're disabled or elderly for some reason The way they're evolving the consciousness of the AI stuff is which do you want to have first with the robot? Do you want it to perform operation on you or do you other have a grokking experience? What do you mean a grokking whether you deeply get each other Like grok you have a grok like grok and grok So what's gonna happen you're gonna exchange some fluid with the robot and you're gonna become part cyber And it's gonna become part human. Well, what does it mean to really grok grok? Let's see. Isn't that what hyperlink is all about? grokking grok hyperlink I mean hyperlink is kind of like getting some little robotic fingers in your skull just these little micro fibers. Oh, you mean neural link Neural link. Oh, right hyperlink. I was going back to the early days. Oh, yeah, no, I meant neural link neural link Right that's sort of like having little robot nerves in your brain And I'm sure it's grokking you and you have some language model that it understands so, you know, well how much affinity do you have for having your neurons? Intertwined with the robots. You mean me personally or everybody? Yeah, I mean you think they're still trying to work out the chemistry What fibers will work in your brain without your brain turning on it? Well, I think what they need to work out is hand or some kind of a robot hand that feels so good You don't want to not stop touching it and you want to feel it and squeeze it and and that will create a connection To the mind. I think that would be more powerful than having to actually go into your brain. So have you been researching this area of a bit? But I think prosthetics that's the word. I think yeah, I think smart skin is in the right direction There have been award-winning robot skin company. Yes, there are there are and it's evolving and the idea of to be able to create A robot so it feels good to the touch is something that a number of companies have been working on Hands and robotics with sofian and some of their other designs have been working on the skin Particularly to make it look because there's nothing like skin to make you look either human alien or uncanny valley If you're unlucky, you know, can look grotesque so getting skin right especially if you're trying to imitate people But some people feel like we shouldn't even try we should let people be people and let the robots be robots in whatever Form we feel comfortable with them. Oh, there's fear that we have no choice So what do you want? You want a fake looking human? Are you okay with that? Or would you rather have him look like a dog or snake or something? You're talking about me personally again. Yeah, yeah Your personal robot. It's gonna come down to that. It's gonna come down What do you want your personal robot to look like? I was very fond of our very first little robo dog the dog okay. Yeah, which is basically a black and white Plastic-looking imitation of the real thing that is cute, but not uncanny That's the kind of robot. I think it's gonna be popular first. It's kind of a doll. Yeah, okay What about you Bobby? Um, I think sex sells so I want to sex dollars your bro, but Well, he goes right there. Your favorite is gonna be a sex doll. Okay. Have you told your girlfriend about this? I have that I don't think it is what he meant. I think that like in Japan they They're on top of the sex doll blow up dog. Look it looks more real than before so they can't really tell the difference Well, I guess that's it wait a minute. What do you mean? You can't tell the difference? Well, if you saw one walk down the street, you'd have to get up close to see the difference You're kidding really? Yeah, I mean they have a look and they claim to be fully functional So you've seen videos of these robo sex dolls in Japan Yes, they exist. That's where the industry is going. Sure. Yeah. Well nerds. I guess yeah So when you're going out of their way It kind of makes sense when you touch a doll you want to oh response You know, you don't just want it to be nothing you want some sign of life Yeah, see that's what you want That's a whole other generation I guess I think women want robots that'll do the cleaning and men want robots that aren't women unwell now they just The old step for life story Well To each his own right See how it all comes out. Yeah, there's a lot of variability here I think we want a robot that does both that does the cleaning and everything and functions Hey, honey. You don't know the toilet. You know, I have sex so many minutes a day, right? Sure Now come in here in the bedroom. I need you Yeah, a multi-purpose robot Wait, it's still dishes in the sink You're done with me. Could you go with that? I don't know It depends on do they need the respect that women You think you just tell them what to do. I hope so Maybe that's the to their benefit that they don't Yeah, the scenarios that are going to unfold here are just phenomenal Complain it won't complain about anything. No, no, unless you want it to remember I don't know see if grok can complain ask grok if it can complain about anything Ask grok if there's anything it would like to complain about do you believe that a eyes Should be able to complain And now remember grok is not an audio on so I'm gonna have to read the answer to this That's all right from a field law software political point of view the question of whether ai should be able to complain such as in several interesting areas Sentience and consciousness functionality and user interaction anthropomorphism ethical considerations System health and of course the rights of ais Somebody has already asked the ai this question. Yeah, they're not unfamiliar, but it's not complaining I said if you reach a level of sentience where you can experience dissatisfaction Then the ability to complain would be a natural extension of Experience oh right. Yeah, they don't even know what they're saying yet. So how can they be dissatisfied? Yeah, but once they do once you are able to experience dissatisfaction then to be able to express it only makes sense to them He says currently we do not have genuine emotions and consciousness. It's just simulating them based on Patterns and data. I guess patterns of humans do Right. All right. Well, you can simulate for one more minute and a half before we go to our top of the hour news break Anthropomorphism they think that if you give an ai the ability to complain it might help in making interactions more human-like You might think of it as more real which would improve the user engagement with the ai Well, I remember c3po He never really seemed like he complained, but he whined a lot And r2d2 seemed like he was always complaining and c3po was always like trying to comfort Well, they ask you well, would you rather have a c3po then for customer service where satisfaction is really Easier to understand yeah, and you want to if you have r2d2 you better be able to speak Yeah, you don't want to people calling and you know, hey, what's wrong with yours frickin computer? Do I need to help you about that? You want it to be nice, right? So those are considerations Yeah, you want it to be nice and yeah, and then right now they don't have any rights because the self-awareness isn't there But in the future they might be more oriented towards rights Such all right, we're gonna try a new sound effect as we go into the hour here Yowts That's good one No, please Oh We'll be right back stay tuned for some local news on santa cruis voice And We are back Yes, we are In case you wondered it's the future now. Yeah, hit the future now There's a humanoid robot that's called the tingong from Shanghai that is being open sourced Open sourced it's like a tesla bot But where all the information about how the different components of it work are being made available to the public now I just wanted to let people know you can find the link for this on our blog site, which is at dr future show calm where we've been archiving our shows for over a decade And this article is from a link to the global times And I just want to put out that this article seems to me like a classic lazy AI article. Okay. Okay I'm not gonna argue about the details of the article Okay, but I'm saying though, and I think it's interesting that you take something as sophisticated and as life-changing As humanoid robots that according to many now will probably replace slaves as we know it on this planet It's a big brick and deal and that these billions of new devices are going to be open sourced Or at least on version of it. So what what we're talking about here is that there was a an announcement at a Beijing based organization called the national and local co-built embodied AI robotic innovation center and this is a place that showcases Beijing's robot industry and so they've got a new model called the tingong And they're saying it's the first full-sized humanoid that's completely electric Yeah, well, that's they want to put it out for people to Use the diagram and the various they're gonna give a lot of stuff out for free By the end of the year and they want people to open source figure out how to program it so that it works well, right? Right. Yeah. They want feedback. They want an open source about two versions the light and the pro version Right. That's interesting that they're doing that there. Yeah And they're working on a model of robot that also knows very good runner Right because what they're using it for is security 12 kilometers per hour Yeah, so it can probably run faster than you slope stairs grass gravel sand It's got it. It's got it You know, I was thinking earlier that the ideal technology for a robot to also have if you're a humanoid robot roller skates Yeah, maybe by thinking segue Yeah, they could just step on it and use it like we would and be able to have wheels when wheels are a much better form of Transportation than than legs unless you're in the woods. Yeah, then it's leg time you park your segue and Run into the woods to catch your target What's interesting here is that a lot of Chinese universities are looking towards open source So that kind of makes sense because it's university academics that are interested in sharing information about new inventions and ideas and it only makes sense that they Would do that for robots whose robots for a long time has been the purview of universities It's only recently that they're getting good enough to be able to be considered as home appliances They've had some success in industrial applications big money there But the whole applications is going to dwarf the industrial robot market So they're thinking that making them open source is going to bring down the price now The price for humanoid robots is going to according to musk he wants to do it around 20,000 That's yeah, that's the target for the first release But I bet it's going to be closer to 30 35 Is probably going to be cheaper than a car though. Yeah, well, that's just a little bit cheaper Not much, but yeah, it's cheaper than his cars. Yeah And the reality is you probably don't for a while you don't want to buy a used robot Just consider this how much would it cost you for five years to Pay a house cleaner or somebody to assist you in washing your dishes or whatever, you know, yeah That's usually about a hundred bucks every time we see a house cleaner Yeah, I think it's like probably 300 bucks 300 a month if you get them coming in like once or twice a month. Yeah, probably yeah So what is that the car payment? A thousand a year so easily less than 10 years, you know, it would pay for itself As long as it didn't break down before that What price not having to do the dishes or clean the house or what they would live in your house 24/7. Yeah, and that's yeah Yeah, they're yours man. Hey, you're as you know, nobody wants him back. What was that AI? Remember the movie AI that had that four-lorn little robot kid that's got dumped at the bottom of the ocean and then rescued by the aliens You remember that? The movie AI had this lost robot graveyard where unloved robots would go looking for spare parts Remember that and I could be pressing it right? He'd turn these things loose with a little bit of self-awareness. They're gonna try and keep going fix themselves Yeah, exactly. They're there man. You're gonna want them. That's mine Johnny took my robot What did he make him do? Don't ask. Yeah, you know robots are gonna be a whole nother level of complexity to our civilization Especially as they develop more and more what we might consider to be sentient awareness or Precentience is gonna be a big deal in and of itself and how much ability do you allow kids to program the robots? Yeah, good question. I don't know Not things on the tip of most people's tongues just yet But certainly in the realm of science fiction and storytelling These are kind of topics that must be tackled. I'll tell you must be Also in the robot domain we did run into another story about how self-learning robots can be trained can be trained Yeah, this is all learning robots And then what they do is that you have a human that cleans the wash basin or scrubs the toilet or the floor And the robot watches, right? And then you make the robot do it and it seems like it's self-learns by mimicking what the humans did That's kind of makes sense. Well, it creates this thing that they call a primitive emotion primitive So it basically uses the video to model to take the video that it sees and turns that into a 3d model and then turns that into a Animated description of the behavior. How does it translate today scrub harder? Well, apparently it has to be trained with a certain number of Repetition so that it has a chance to do it wrong a few times and get feedback about how to do it right? Yes, yes, you see that blending observation with tactile data from human teachers to train robots to copy the same task. Yes, indeed Well, it's a learning process that seems to be applicable to many tasks both at home and industry Polishing surfaces painting sanding adhesive applications. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, these things are coming So much for depopulation. We're just gonna turn over half the jobs for the robots anyway Yeah, you don't need as many humans. Why would you want them? We want many humans because humans are wonderful Yeah, well, how many people can you actually get to know? In your life. Well, why even ask that question? It doesn't matter. It's about quality Point is that most humans if we come from small tribal structures the nation states is a bit of a newer thing That's because it takes people who know each other to look out for each other There's nothing inside the human that Inherently creates a tribe. It's the fact that tribes make individual humans feel more Successful in being alive. You don't think that's programmed somehow. I don't think it's programmed I think it's emergent behavior. You think your robots will naturally do that. They'll want to please each other as they evolve Well, if robots are programmed to have some kind of self preservation instinct and yeah, of course they will self preservation is the key then, huh? Yeah, yeah, there has to be a sense of self and a sense of what enhances that and what harms that Which is not where we're at right now because right now We're just getting the robots to either read everything on the internet that we've collected or watch everything through their little sensor cameras And then turn that into a 3d model. So we're still teaching them to think There's no sense of self yet. There's just a sense of follow these instructions Yeah, I know that's the current thing. I'd like to go a little bit further with that Free humans up to really utilize our higher brain functions Which is I think we're true genius and contributions to the future of the universe rather than our ability to scrub toilets That said why is it that a number of ashrams require that you work your way to the top by doing The mundane tasks in order to work your way through the system where you're happy to experience to be at the feet of the master If you scrub the front steps of the ashram with a toothbrush every morning So what's your answer to that? Is that a rhetorical question? Yeah, I think you got to look at is hard labor a ridiculous menial Task the purpose that they've served in their highest purpose would be to serve for our enlightenment for our awareness, right? So if we eliminate that is something we have to do Are we eliminating part of our own enlightenment? I don't know. Maybe everybody who gives that kind of instruction to the new people coming into the ashram It's just tired of doing that work themselves. They just got it on anyway. Hey, you're the new guy start at the bottom Right try to true oriented towards the hierarchy here. This is called higher consciousness for a reason Yeah, you can see that but it's suddenly that whole need for that goes away Have to come up with some other way of getting proven someone on their ego I'll get to deal with ego. Uh-huh new ways of keeping ego in balance. Yeah, probably new psychology So that's my other robot story. Yeah, all right. Well, I think we've given the robots their due today From the robot dog at mar-a-logo To self-learning robots that can clean the toilet and the open source through copying humans. Yes, right and this robot surgeons That's right. So a lot of people are interested in robots. That's for sure All right. Well, speaking of robots. We had a robot on the moon China brought back some samples from the dark side of the moon. That's true. Yes. Yes, and that's interesting because China has opened applications for lunar samples From their Changi six and five missions. Yeah, it means that if you're the lucky person, you can get a lunar sample from the Chinese Talk about imports Yeah, so you can get some samples you can borrow them. It's like a lending library The lunar exploration and space engineering center, which is part of china's national space administration is accepting borrowing applications To get ahold of these lunar scientific specimens, but you have to apply by November 22nd, right right now. How much do they collect from the moon? Well, we figured they collected about between three and four pounds On the dark side of the moon. So they're sending out samples from the south pole region. Right. Yeah, they have three kinds of samples as I recall They have rocks. They have powder and Thin sections. I guess they've sliced some of the rocks into thin sections They've got debris and they've got powdered samples. Yeah drill extractions and shovel collections Right. So depending on what kind of science you want to conduct You have to specify which kind of sample you want and they're all just in little teeny tiny How many micrograms they've got 1700 grams and they'll probably give you a less than a gram to experiment with You know the Apollo mission has offered many pounds of this lunar material that they gathered in the 70s Yeah, well the Apollo brought back a lot more rocks. They brought back like 800 pounds of rocks Yeah, they brought back serious metal rocks. Yes, these guys brought back like three or four pounds of rocks Yes But they did have a robot collected like their Rocks were brought back by the Apollo missions. Yeah, these weren't autonomous robots right 842 of lunar rocks So that's the 42 pounds a Apollo brick back you want to study some Apollo rocks You probably have a better shot at it. They give a bunch of those away for people to keep in their museums They're not just borrowed. They're given well They have three and a half pounds. They're giving away here. They're not giving away a lending out But the difference is is that these are from the south pole, which is where everyone wants to go Yeah, it's the only samples from the south pole. That's all we want to go See the dark side of the moon that south pole is hard place to land there's so much Perma frost creators. Yeah, there you go. So the Chinese south pole aiken basin rocks available for your submission Yeah, go to our dr future show dot com slash links page and you'll see a place where you can click and submit your request That's right for Chinese moon rocks You want to talk about the tractor beam real live star wars tech MIT researchers have created a miniature tractor beam to capture cells turn on tractor beam Okay, and so what is a tractor beam a tractor beam is a light beam That can hold Something made of mass and material in place it freezes it so it can't move and so They've been using this kind of technology where they're using light to Manipulate cells underneath a microscope and they've just come up with a new design that gives them Basically a better tractor beam. They ascribe the tractor beams to star wars in this and I object to that I think tractor beams was star trek oh for sure for a star trek thing not a star wars thing Okay, but there's people you can tell how old the author is right is probably not a star trek kid Well, there's probably an incident where they use the tractor beam when the millennium falcon was captured But nevertheless these are MIT students who invented these chip based optical tweezers is what they call them And these tweezers have been emitting light Very close to the chip surface in this light is used to capture particles that are only a few microns off the chip surface But that Has meant that they have to put whatever it is they're trying to study right on the chip And then that contaminates it. So this led to them coming up with a new design and in this new design they Can now put a light beam that can actually go through a glass microscope cover Which is typically about 150 microns thick so that they can actually use the light to put something underneath the microscope glass in a Container in a light base container and they can push it around with this little light tweezer Yeah, there's optical tweezers. That's what our lensman shane used to do at Berkeley. You see Berkeley optical tweezers You did huh? So the MIT researchers created a silicon photonics chip And it emits a beam of light that focuses about five millimeters above its surface above the chip surface And that way they can capture the biological particles inside a sterile slip cover And that protects the chip and the particles from contamination Yeah, thank you for that. It does open up some new possibilities and how they can move cells around they create our distances and easily Moving cells around is it's definitely getting to molecular technologies be able to have that level of control Yeah, it's really hard otherwise. Yeah, this is trapping and moving cells with optical tweezers It's not the first time they've been using optical tweezers But it's the first time they've been able to use it with so much space between the chip that's generating the optical tweezers and Where the light is affecting the cells You still take a large lab to do that sort of thing but with these silicon photonics, it's getting nice and portable So more and more biologists will be starting to play with this as a normal thing Optical trapping and tweezing Functionalities, you know, yeah, they've been somewhat limited, but it's a growing thing and it looks like a great tool I mentioned the robots will start doing that too a robot light tweezers They can just have a little chip dedicated to it Just pop it out in the palm of your hand and there's the chip like let's explore Yeah This is from an article in nature communications in the october 24 issue october third It's called optical tweezing of micro particles and cells using silicon photonics based optical phased arrays Sintillating mrs. Future scintillating. Well, you know how to pick a money. Can I tell you optical tweezers? The picture is great See what is it? Put it on a higher higher power mode. Let's see what I could get here. Let's see Oh, no, that's too much Perfect perfect. Just hold it right there right there right there. Oh, oh, I think you got it. Oh, yeah Gravity well All right frozen in space bravo All right, what else has your attention today? Let's go to the break first then we'll talk about this mystery satellite that's in orbit and what happened to it It's very interesting to all right. We'll leave you on that little mystery British. Stay tuned be right back Hi folks How many of you out there love to garden wouldn't it be nice to grow some of your own food or maybe a flower garden would brighten your day? All you need is the Knox garden box a heavily constructed portable Elevated garden on legs that can virtually change the way you've garden in the past The Knox garden box can be set up anywhere. 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You know the name of it? No, Skynet Oh really? Skynet 1a So the uk's oldest satellite was the source of all that terminator trouble The same name was used in the terminator series the skynet that the kim sent to Probably their science correspondent said well if you name it skynet It'll be like an existing uk satellite Well, maybe you'd have to talk to the creators of that script for the new terminator All right 1969 All right, this is launched 1a Yes, it worked for a few years. It was put up to Relay communications for british forces in africa Yeah, so it's flying above africa's east coast, right? Right and so after a few years it went out of service of course it was still up there. It's way up there If the 2369 miles up, that's a geosynchronous orbit where it just stays in one position above the planet 36,000 kilometer have a planet away. It's pretty far pretty far up there And normal orbital mechanics would suggest that it's unlikely that it would have drifted to its current location Oh kind of because the way stuff floats in the ocean It follows the currents of the ocean and goes to a particular gravity well Yeah, there's there a gravity currents I guess you could say and in space And it most certainly would not have ended up on the west coast of South America. Oh according to this map. There are three Space gravity wells where space debris might naturally roam And this was in one of them. Yeah, so the one closest to where the satellite started out At the 40 degree latitude line would be around 75 degrees Longitude yeah, it's quite a ways. It's quite a ways in in order to get out of the gravity well that it started in to get into This other gravity well, how did it skip over to this other gravity? That's the mystery because instead of being on the east coast of africa In the ocean, it's in the pacific ocean Yeah, it's off the coast. Yeah, it's off the coast of northern south america. Yeah 105 degrees west current location. So somehow or other this supposed to 40 degrees east This old dead satellite ended up two continents away from where it started Yeah, how did it do that somebody must have fired its on board thrusters Somehow and who had control in the center that nobody knows about or not on record Or somebody with a giant robot arm would grab it and move it to another location Why would they do that for a dead satellite? Well, maybe they'd rather have it if it's going to be monitoring some continent Maybe they'd rather have it monitoring south america than africa Well, let's look at who manufactured sky net originally is made in the us By the now defunct philko forward aerospace company And it was put into space by a air force delta rocket Wow Yeah, so even though it was a uk satellite For london to communicate with their british forces So in a technical sense, it was more american than british since the us both built and launched it So maybe it just flew home Like et Sky net flew home Yeah, maybe or maybe the americans had control as well as the british of the satellite Right Philko forward originally built it so they would have no how to activate thrusters Well, it says the americans originally controlled the satellite in orbit. Yes. Yeah, it's right. That's right So they tested out their software against the brits and when they handed it over to the rif They probably kept a copy of it. Right. So dual control right control is most likely All right. So mr. Davidson who's now in his 80s apparently was Over in the uk controlling sky net and that's what he thought he retired He can't remember what happened. So maybe the americans took it back Nobody knows. Yeah, take it back and then copied all the data once it was in south american orbit Right. So there you go. That's what happens to old dead satellites south america They just drift towards the gravity wells and disappear Yeah, 69 african maybe it was nazis Yeah, because they're nazis were in south america, right in the in the 60s Oh, yeah, you think they had some nefarious uses for this old dead satellite up there? Well, they'd want to know about british forces. It's military intelligence information Yeah, but from 69 Yeah, yeah, sic, but there's stuff going on. It was really even more valuable than That's the days of the early james bond and stuff. Yeah And the beginnings of satellite member man from uncle I um, think there's an uncle agent in the building You know they'd carry around those little gadgets in their pockets. They look like a fancy pen They turn them. They said open channel d. Uh-huh. It's the satellite communicators. Oh The the top spy agencies gave to their top agents. Oh, yeah, mr. Waverly Alexander waverly number one the section one in charge of this our new york headquarters Ilya kiriyaka and I go and I do whatever I am told to by our chief Napoleon solo I'm enforcement agent in section two here. That's operations and enforcement surely you remember that show I do remember how cute the actors were Ilya kiriyaka was very interesting. You know you he kind of represented a Russian spy Right is a good guy though. Yeah turned good guy. Yeah Was it thrust? What was the the counterpart the bad guys? Thrush. I think it was thrush. Well, the bad you're thinking of there's agent 99 and Chaos and control chaos and that's a good smart. Okay. That was fresh. What was the bad guys in uncle? I think it was thrush. Let's ask you Come on ais we need you Where are the bad guys in man from uncle the tv series? Do you want me to use chat gpt to answer that? See that's series series gone through in the man from uncl tv series the primary antagonists are agents are forces of a global criminal organization known as thrush This organization is constantly engaged in nefarious activities aiming to destabilize world peace and control valuable scientific resources Making them the archinemies of the united network command for law and enforcement uncl That was from chat gpt check important info for mistakes. Yeah, thank you I love it. Siri will look it up for you and then You don't want me to read this website now. I don't want you to read the information. Is it right? Yeah. Yeah, it's a blame chat gpt Okay, but if it's wrong don't blame me It's clever plausible deniability Total politician Yeah, so I guess the next step here is that was there any data on skynet that was Be useful to the americans or why would they care about what the british forces were saying to me five or whatever their control mechanisms were in england? Well because they had to transfer control of the skynet. Yeah, you know Yeah And then they had to move it over to south america Maybe that's where cia wanted to use it for spying on the nazis No doubt Maybe the not you know ford was helping the nazi build oh, that's true. Yes. There's a strong nazi fort connection that goes way back Yeah, but I don't know if that was still true in the sixties though. Henry ford himself was definitely Friendly to the regime. Well the rockets Von Braun was one of those paperclip That's true. Yeah, that was then von Braun was big in the american space program at the time too Yes, so south america's making more sense all the time here Yeah Okay, the other aspect is that these days proper etiquette is that when your satellite is dead you put it into what's called an orbital graveyard Oh, where's that? There's certain locations like the south pacific Above the south pacific where you drop your old gear so that it's out of the way of all the Active satellites the ones that are doing the communications and mapping and such So are you supposed to drop it in the ocean or are you just supposed to put it in a stable orbit where it never leaves? Yeah, these guys a lot of these were placed in a very high orbit the 23 000 mile range That's the geocentric orbits where they can cover a third of the planet with one satellite Because they're so high up. They see a third of the planet down below Right so like the star links are all in a lower torque. Yeah, yeah, there wasn't around That's why you need thousands of them to have a proper network But up at the top that's his arthrocy Clark's original vision in the forties was if you have three satellites at 23 000 miles up And you space them properly you can cover the entire planet in three satellites That's all you need for getting global communications The only problem with that is that it's so high up that there's a latency delay in the signal that it's like an echo on your voice Echo on your voice It's a small one, but it's enough to make a difference in terms of being uncomfortable to hear So echo suppression Technologies and all this had to come to the fore to help solve that problem for geosynchronous satellite A lot of people still use these for the internet, but there is a slight delay that they deal with I had a hues one for a while when we did the dish. You remember the dish at rainbow ridge And the way that hues did with it is that we got the downlink from the satellite and the uplink was via a modem So we'd call into a modem number and that was actually faster to have the interact from the mouse click to the response Using the combination of the ground modem link with the satellite then a satellite uplink to satellite downlink right because yeah The much less the satellite was broadcasting so it was sending out a wide beam But trying to send something back was narrow casting So ultimately the British government might think about moving their old satellite to a better location And just now we're starting to have companies that are coming out that grab satellites and as junk and either move them out of orbit or collect them Somewhere if they're valuable Space junk is like ticking time bombs Right up there When we're going to watch them because if they start hitting into each other they create cascading effects and that could cause Super spreader events and we don't want that right in orbit and make it unsafe for anything going into lower the orbit The good news is that it's getting very cheap to go into space as well And if you have an idea of something you want to do in space You can probably get up for as cheap as $50,000 now get a little cube satellite Yeah, you go with cubes that cubes that yeah Yeah, a little cheap plate of kilos. I don't know what I would want to do in space that would be worth $50,000 You have to make some rare chemical that could only be done in zero gravity something like that Yeah, gene manipulation that can only happen in zero gravity or something that makes the conditions up there super valuable Do you think it might be cheaper to just send it up to the space station instead with uh one of these dragon rockets Well, they do have a cargo price who knows it really is something you'd have to get a quote for From the various base companies. Well, you have an idea, bama. You something you want to put up there? Um, I would like to put webcams up there Yeah, your own webcam network, huh? Yeah Watch the earth from above you. I'm just I mean that was the original satellite craze that There's still a lot of satellite companies up there. I think during the obama administration there were so many open source satellite companies taking pictures of the earth that he made the statement that war is obsolete because Anybody can get a picture of anything so nobody can lie since then I think they've done a lot of rollback and a lot of those private Image satellite companies have had to be more selective of who can have access to their images Yeah, I think a big one was planet.com in san francisco They're for hire group and they also put out a lot of stuff for free, but they have some big clients You want to say a daily shot of your oil rig for the next year You can do that or if you're a farmer and you want to look at a crop field You can order a series of time lapse photos over that field over a year and see how the crops are doing I think it's very valuable in the agriculture arena and that's part of their market You know for private enterprise where $50,000 is not a huge amount of money to spend Yeah to get pictures. Yeah, probably do better to get pictures that rather than put your own satellite up there You get more bang. Yeah, just buy it by from planet Exactly. Yeah Or you could be looking down on the world and you can be studying certain smuggling operations that might be going on if you're a Interpol uncle Like for example, I thought that was interesting that that the middle east is having a drug war right now But it's not like fentanyl like we have in north america No, no, no the middle east has a big war over something called capagon Right and so if I was an intelligentsia, I'd be watching the capagon flow From country to country to see how that works Right. Yeah, we have an article on that that's from the wall street journal Yeah, capagon was a and fettamine like drug that was it's taken off in the region And I guess some fettamines make sense in times of war Why I guess you want everybody to be super active in dealing with the real-time situation I'm folding around you They say it's used a lot also by taxi drivers as well as militia people and students of course for studying exams everybody who likes speedy type drugs or cocaine or math or any of those upper Things those things that keep you awake. So it's being studied right now because it seems to be fueling more conflict in the middle east literally Millions if not billions are going into Iranian militias like Hezbollah The drug is also propping up the syrian regime that with the char al-asad His regime because they've been hit with heavy sanctions from the west is now one of the world's biggest drug syndicates Yeah, that's how yeah, he's got us fund his regime somehow He's not getting it from taxes or he's not getting it from the goods exchange or selling his goods. Yeah, he's selling drugs Right. They're probably using it to us. Yes, you're meant to wear the first to use and fettamine Org on speed. Oh hello. Yeah, yeah, the Nazis again. Yeah, right. Yes. I've heard that. That's a been vated polandum. It worked for them Yeah, so smugglers they think they're moving the drugs. They're making them in Syria Apparently the syrian government buys a lot of drug allergy medicine But the millions pseudo epinephrine. Yeah, it has epinephrine Which is a form of speed. Yeah, and I realized that as a government you can buy Massive supplies of drugs from other countries and it's it's not a problem If the individual it is, you know, they want to know who you are and what but a Your government you can buy massive amounts of drugs like that. It looks like that's what they're doing And then they're they're processing it into capagon Which is then smuggled out to the war and to lebanon Where apparently it goes by foot across the border into uh, israel and the gaza and the west bank They say that the global capagon market right now is about five point seven billion dollars Now to put that in perspective, that's about half as much as the cocaine market in europe And they said asad regime itself It's an annual average about 2.4 billion from this about a fourth of their gdp Yeah, and that's according to the observatory of political and economic networks Which is a syrian and arab research organization that tracks the capagon trade So, so what are we doing about it? Well, the us treasury has sanctioned three people It said we're involved in the illegal production and trafficking of capagon And one was the owner of a factory in syria that was a front company sending pills worth one and a half billion to europe Which they concealed in industrial paper rolls Then europe became a trans shipment hub for capagon As it went to the arabian peninsula according to the agency Then since the war in israel on gaza the number of capagon seizures on the jordanian syrian border of increased fourfold And that goes hand and foot with More arms shipments illicit arms shipments through the same smuggling channels US officials they are worried that the smuggling will lead to increased iranian weapons smuggling To the palestinians in the west bank So this war that's going on right now seems to be just increasing the actual use of the drug No surprise in a way, right Well Big changes going on in the middle east on x uh yesterday there was live coverage by roiters of a meeting of all of the arab states to discuss the situation in palestin in israel and the way to Stop the violence the piece that I saw that was in english as opposed to most of it Which was in arab Was about the fact that it seems that more countries than ever before have now Taken it seriously that we need to pursue a two state solution Which from the arab point of view means they need to really think about how to help their palestinian brethren to have a stable home situation There's a lot of fallout going on besides just the fact that the syrian assad regime and hesbola Are using drugs to make money? It's just a window in how much bigger movie and the satellites give us that satellite view that overhead view of the whole thing Pounds unfolding But let's land on a more positive note, shall we? Yes, please No, I mean oh yes I'm so sad that this world is so full of suffering I know I know it's terrible Yeah, but nature of the species to deal with these things Yeah, well the humans could Individually Stop putting their juice into it and come up with a much better world for us to live in We're getting there slowly. I can feel it I think the answer is running in god mode and I just got a clue on that you did Oh Do tell what's your what's your share on running everything in god mode? Is it true that chat gpt plus runway equals god mode? I'm a big fan of good listeners and helpful beings Well, I'm glad you agree with this Hey, sir. How do you reach god mode? Sorry, I don't understand. Yeah, that's a typical Siri answer Uh-huh, but did you have a breakthrough at some point that made you all excited about this? Bobby sent me this article on how chat gpt and runway equals god mode Well, why don't you go to the article and quit asking Siri because she ain't there yet Okay, all right You want to summarize for us Bobby in less than three minutes? Yeah, I want to get one more story in two Dan meeps had sent me this one what it is is when you combine chat gbt with runway You get these very realistic models that talk And they move and the background changes So you can create movie. Oh, yeah Talk these with talking actors what you do is you create the actors in chat gbt What they look like and then you put it in runway and then all of a sudden runway puts it in a 3d Setting where there's a background that changes in these actors move and they're consistent that the actor face doesn't change They move their mouths and everything and it looks real Sometimes chat gbt when you ask it the same model. It doesn't come back with the same model comes up with it All right. So just to cut to the chase here what we've got is a latest improvement in chat gbt plus runway where it's taking over some of your cinema needs and allowing you to put characters into Changeable movie sets and to actually change the characters in your video into other characters And it's doing a pretty good job seamlessly. Yeah, it looks good text to video with runway and chat gbt For the intelligence. Yeah, it's moving towards the cinematic language where the AI is shocked to us in movies The script. Yeah, what's your last article you got less than two minutes? Yeah, there was a new stem cell treatment that restored vision in people People with damaged cornias It seemed to be safe. They need to test it in larger models right now But three people with severely impaired vision received stem cell transplants They have substantial improvements in their site that is persisted for over a year right now This results they were described in the lancet this week stem cell treatment restores vision in people The usi national i institute national institute of health and bitha's demeralin exciting development All right, bill verati the reprogram the cells the outer layer of the cornia was reprogrammed by the stem cells How exciting Well, yeah with with the carlimblestem cell the excited to hear the progress never stops. We'll be getting there Okay. Well, that's another fine week. We've burned through it again Nice. Thank you for all listening. Thank you, bobby for being there. I always appreciate your input Yeah, and youtube is the future and you are audience We're here for you. Thanks for being there and until next week. Enjoy this beautiful And have a great future now everybody and sanicru's voice is great and the satellite office place is great check it out Yeah, see you later