Say kids, what time is that?
 The future is coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on
 Good morning afternoon, evening wherever you are
 It's afternoon here, beautiful upper mountainous Boulder Creek
 Very cloudy today, I might add, but I guess it's not clouds, it's more the fog
 that's coming around this time of year, right?
 I guess, it's almost end of April, maybe it's more April showers
 April showers?
 We definitely have some foggy cloudy skies, great set of sun showers
 I just hope it's great for whale watching, we're going with some friends tomorrow
 for whale watching out from Moss Landing
 Yeah, I hope so too
 It should be pretty interesting
 I had a happy birthday stessa
 Starting tomorrow
 So let's check this connection with Bobbie, he went in and out there
 Okay, Bobbie can you hear me?
 There he is, there he is
 Hi
 Wow, it's always wow, this tech
 The tech gods are smiling on us, we're happy
 We can spoil them, forget what a miracle it is that we're connecting so many different worlds together
 through this fabric of wires and lights and screens and wireless signals
 It's really good training for dealing with stuff that goes south on you
 Yeah, remain calm, start over
 It carries over to other things, like it goes from oh, sun's microphone isn't working to
 Yes it is
 Our friend John G is having a emotional crisis with her boyfriend
 No, you need your help right away
 That is not the message that appeared, that was completely fabricated by the way
 Well it had nothing to do with the message, that was a synchronicity or a synchronicity infinibulum thing
 No, this is more like if I get your mic working I can deal with Jenj's problems with her boyfriend
 Okay
 That's all I'm saying, it's a generalized effect
 And who did just check in right there?
 Yeah, who did just check in, what story are you telling?
 Billy Sunshine
 Oh, okay, relationship counseling
 You know, you have to call in for that, the phone number for callings, the lines are open
 Yeah, you want to do some relationship stuff?
 I don't know man, we've got so many cool science stories
 Well, okay, you want to save it for later?
 Yeah, I do, I do, I do
 I'll have to save it for later
 The Billy did turn us on to Avi
 We hope we'll be our guest in the second hour, if her harbing connection comes through
 That's true, it's very rare that anything comes out of Harbin
 This Harbin is a Wi-Fi phone unfriendly zone
 We have lots of fascinating things to talk about in case Avi doesn't make it, but nevertheless
 Yes, we're prepared for either eventuality
 That's right, oh by the way, there is a new friend online for all of you
 Called LAMA3, it's just released and it's free, it's a free AI akin to chat GPT4
 And you can just go to the website and start asking away
 Now this is different than the old LAMA, which has been around for a while, right?
 That's Meta's AI
 That's right, that's right, this is LAMA3
 It is also a meta process, but you just go to meta.ai, m-e-t-a.ai
 And you can ask it anything
 You can run your email through it and make it sound more professional, it'll play trivia music
 Have you been interacting with LAMA3?
 I did, I was experimenting a little bit with it earlier
 Did you have satisfying engagement?
 I did, I did
 You can ask the question, imagine I-M-A-G-I-N-E
 And it will then show you a picture
 Like imagine a poodle playing a violin or a hedgehog sitting on a chair playing chess
 Or a blue alien, you know, imagine, you put an imagine and then you put that in it'll create an instant image for you
 Okay, so it's doing the text-to-image thing that a lot of the AIs are delivering for our pleasure
 So if you want to do a more colorful instant chat and you want to just come up with a picture that might reflect the conversation you're having at that moment
 It's there for you
 Okay, sounds good
 Yeah, and if you have your Facebook account, you can go into it and remember your previous chats
 So that you have some memory, otherwise you don't have to log in at all, you can just use it whenever
 Okay
 So that's meta.ai
 I'm curious what you folks experience of it is or how you might mess with it in an interesting way
 Which is always fun
 There's a first functional graphene semiconductor that's been announced
 Really?
 Now this is huge, this is the transition away from silicon to other things
 And there's researchers at a university in Atlantic Georgia Tech
 And they've created the first functional graphene semiconductor
 It sort of speaks of what's next with the high-tech silicon universe
 Graphing is a simple sheet of carbon atoms that are held together by the strongest bonds known to man and woman
 Semiconductors are materials that conduct electricity under certain conditions
 And is the foundational force of electronic devices
 This is a new fundamental substrate, teamed by Walter DeHear, a professor of physics at Georgia Tech
 And opens the door to doing all kinds of new electronics
 Smaller, faster machines
 One of the big things is that they are able to dispel heat much more efficiently than silicon
 Yeah, you know, there was a really interesting repost a couple weeks ago by Elon Musk about this technology in particular
 And it was a description of how the semiconductor works by basically creating like a vibration
 That frees up an electron to go across the field
 And what makes it so much more efficient in this carbon form as opposed to the silicon form
 Is that the efficiency and the fact that it is so much less hot is so much cooler
 Right, right, so cool
 It means that it has tremendous implications and that we'll be able to get a lot more power
 And a lot of different kinds of designs that are more compatible with the other kinds of electric circuits that are being designed
 They say, yes, yes, smaller, faster, cheaper
 Yeah, faster, cheaper, faster, cheaper
 Yeah
 The graphene is, it's a two-dimensional material
 And instead of a three-dimensional material where heat goes up sideways and up and down sideways
 It only goes sideways, left and right
 And the interesting thing is if there's any electricity, it shoots across
 What was that?
 It was shooting across
 Oh, it looks like it shot Bobby right out of the screen
 He froze
 Oh, there he is
 He's back
 So the electrons have no resistance and so it's like a superconductor
 And it also does it, so if there's any heat, there's no heat on the surface
 But on the edges is where the heat goes
 It goes right up
 That's the thing
 The thing is that you need a, it's not a semiconductor
 It's a plasma conductor
 So what they did is they created what's called a band gap
 They put these little gaps in spacing gaps which create this resistance
 Which makes it a semiconductor
 In areas, it conducts in other areas, it doesn't
 And that was the trick that Georgia Tech had solved
 Cool, I mean, they solved that trick with this carbon construction
 Yeah, with band gap
 Yeah, it's kind of a spacing that they put between the materials
 And created a semi-conductor that way
 Okay, well, I'll tell you
 They are making marvelous new inventions right under our nose
 I think everybody who is paying attention to the advances in our communication technology
 And in our peacetime technology
 You know, the things that help us to communicate better as humans
 And to make things less expensive and more accessible
 All of those kinds of inventions are keeping us optimistic
 About the fact that the future that we're all anticipating is right around the corner
 If we can just contain those voices of violence
 And those forces
 The forces that want to vaporize us all
 Yeah, they're always there
 They're always there
 And we gave everybody a bigger megaphone
 So now we have to increase the megaphone of the actual voices of civilization
 Not just the crazy nut jobs who have suicidal ideation
 Crazy nut job, just keep us awake
 At night, with nightmares
 So I think it's interesting that this discovery comes at a time when silicon, you know, which is what our modern electronics are made
 Is reaching its limit
 In terms of the face of fast computing and smaller sizes and heat and those things
 All those issues are just about reaching their end
 It was some kind of sounds really cool that this new discovery with graphene is coming in to take its place
 It allows us to go to the next level
 I think we see this pattern in many different fields right now
 Which is very encouraging
 What else?
 Also, increase the capabilities of quantum computers
 Because right now we're taking silicon and we're freezing its so-called next to almost zero
 And then superconductor
 And then that's how you get this super quantum computer happening
 But now graphene at room temperature
 As a superconductor
 And now you don't have to freeze it as much
 So now we'll see quantum computers that don't need to be frozen
 That will be huge
 It's kind of like the room temperature superconductor
 Work back in the 80s and 90s
 Pons and Fleischmann I believe it was
 Now it's a real repeatable thing
 So breakthrough
 Yeah, you know
 It's a tech
 And who knows what else it might impact
 It might impact our way in which we generate energy
 A lot of the energy from the field effects and zero points and all that
 Might have new meaning with this type of technology
 Yeah, weren't you discussing some other articles about how these kinds of technologies
 Are going to be applied to allow us to maybe create bioelectricity and hydrogen from algae
 Yeah, that's another story
 Living solar panels folks, yes, living solar panels with algae in your solar panel
 It's the combination of bioelectronics and biology to create new types of circuits
 If you will, new ways of getting things accomplished
 In this case, generating solar energy that's useful to us
 Solar photovoltaic
 Yeah, I have a whole story, just on that this week, it's pretty fun
 Researchers achieve monumental breakthrough with solar cells made from living material
 That's the piece
 Yeah, I thought this was fascinating
 Of course, we live here in our solar studio, solar powered studio
 Where we harvest electricity from sunshine
 And so, of course, we're very interested in
 Algae sandwiches
 People who are farming electricity from new methods
 Yes, algae sandwich, live freshwater algae
 In the solar panel
 I'm imagining these green algae solar panels
 That are plugged into wires that are lighting up bulbs
 Things like that
 Keep imagining, and maybe you can ask meta.ai to give you a visual
 Okay
 It's called pythoporia
 P-I-T-H-O-P-H-O-R-A
 It's a form of algae that usually grows on the surface or the bottom of aquatic habitats
 That's the kind of stuff you have to clean off your aquarium
 Yeah, kind of, I guess you call it, pond scum if you're uneducated
 It was a source from a pond to create the group's solar power producers
 And this is experiments that were done in India
 At just one square centimeter, the device included two different types of electrodes
 And it was able to produce a third of a volt
 Under open certain conditions, half a volt under ultraviolet light
 Which is performing pretty well
 And ten connected devices, you get 5.5 volts
 And it starts getting to be very useful in the low power devices arena
 Sure, so you have something about the width of a ruler
 Except only a centimeter wide that can create like a nine volt battery
 Or five volt, you know, we use 5.5 for a lot of electronics today
 You know, like, can you plug in something into your USB port?
 Five, five and a half volts, pretty normal
 Well, the idea of bioelectricity is really a frontier concept, I think
 If we can grow batteries instead of having to recycle them
 Instead of having to get the metal shipped back to somebody who charges it up
 And then sends it back out again
 Yeah, it would be nice if they could just replicate, we can get new batteries without having to buy them
 Oh, there you go, you want pet batteries?
 My little battery farm, where I grow my batteries
 Yeah, that would be nice
 It's gonna be a battery rancher
 Yeah, battery, raise them properly, they give you a little joltage for longer
 Speaking of which, you know, I did experiment this week
 I've heard these new replacement AAA and AA batteries
 Usually I get the nickel metal hydride
 They're usually pretty cheap on Amazon
 But this time, I ordered ones that come lithium
 They're just straight lither, and they don't drop and volt slowly
 And instead of 1.25 volts, they're full 1.5 volts when you buy them
 Which is more like regular good old alkaline that are not rechargeable
 So that's kind of a breakthrough in the size, right?
 Yeah, it's a breakthrough, right?
 The lithium batteries you've been talking about the last few years have been car battery size
 Well, they're a little bigger, but there's, you know, there's still...
 What's interesting about these, yeah, AA and AA is that they have a little micro USB
 Or USB-C connection directly on the batteries
 So you don't go to a charger, you just plug them right into any USB power source
 Oh boy, USB everywhere
 You know, have you tried those yet, Bobby?
 I have on the AA size and lasts longer than the nickel cadmium or nickel metal hydride battery
 Exactly, that's exactly
 You mean that you can use them longer, they're charged last longer
 They last longer, you put them in your remote the last longer
 Your mouse especially, your mouse kills the batteries really fast comparatively
 But I understand though that when they go, they go, like it'll suddenly drop
 Like if it's a nickel metal hydride battery, you might notice that your mouse starts getting less accurate
 And less able to track these maintain the full voltage and then boom, they're dead
 That's right, don't give you any prior warning
 They just like drop, they have a...
 They drop like five times later, like you would have changed the other ones five times by the time these drop
 Yeah, it's a boom, suddenly a stroke and an aneurysm at the same time
 Oh, boom, they're dead, but they can be resurrected, you just plug them in
 And they can be charged? Yeah, they just plug them in and off they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
 That's the best of both, yeah, so they last longer, they're not undercharged
 And they're rechargeable with a plug-in
 That's right, the first generation ones have the micro USB plug-ins
 I'm noticing some of the new ones, especially through the Chinese Amazon, what's it called?
 Tiva, something like that, they're using USB-C plug-ins for their batteries now
 I thought I'd mention that, it goes with the story here
 And it also leads to one of the big breakthroughs that we've heard about in the news in the past, especially 20, 30 years ago
 Where folks started claiming they were able to run their car on water
 On water? You mean hydrogen, right? No, water, water
 Just fill up the car with water and it would use the hydrogen and the oxygen to run the car
 Okay, setting up one of those? No, what I'm saying is that those ideas, they fell a little short in terms of being able to generate enough energy
 Or be more sufficient in the ability to get hydrogen and oxygen separated
 Like the big problem is separating the water molecule into its component parts
 It's hydrogen and oxygen
 Right, more power goes in than comes out
 It takes a lot of juice to separate them
 It's a strong referee
 With electrolysis, that's the meaning
 With electrolysis, yeah, as the referee, yeah, in this case
 And one of the alternatives that this monumental breakthrough of living solar cells represents
 Is that you'd be using biology to split the molecule
 And it would be much more energy efficient than stray electricity
 So you're going to feed water
 At the microbes, you feed the algae and it separates the oxygen and hydrogen itself with its own biological processes
 It excretes hydrogen and oxygen?
 Yeah, essentially, essentially
 Isn't that one of the things that happened before the pre-cambrian era that changed the atmosphere of the Earth?
 Well, yes, these are all very important elements, but this is a long-term process
 Millions of years in action before they really changed the Earth's
 I don't know, we might be amplifying it
 We're using an awful lot of electrical processes
 Look, we have a lot of biological organisms that excrete methane right now
 You don't think that's changing the atmosphere?
 I'm sure it is
 So, in this case, it would be
 The methane hydrogen, just it's a particular form of it that's useful as a fuel
 Bob, you want to just chime in on that one
 What is it about methane?
 Methane, when you have flagellants, you know?
 Yes
 When you know what happens, that's methane
 What happens is on the planet, we have a lot of cows
 Instead of growing plants, we're meat-based
 And there's a lot more methane than before
 And then when the tundra melts
 What happens in these arctic places
 And the ground starts to melt
 It releases methane again
 And methane is 10 or 100 times more greenhouse-effective than carbon dioxide
 So it actually won't get much faster
 So when there's more methane in the air, yes, there's more heat
 And we create this greenhouse effect
 And so that's the problem with methane
 I thought you didn't know that, Mrs. Future
 No, I don't know much about these chemical things
 Please stop that
 [laughter]
 Alright, methane, the practical demonstration of methane
 And many, many biologicals do that
 Not just this
 You know, farting has been a meme in the X this week, right?
 No, really? How so?
 Why? I mean, it seems like it's a perennial thing
 It has to do with the courtroom drama around Donald Trump
 [laughter]
 Sleeping, snoring, and methane
 Oh, Gabby chimes in on this one, she just wants to let us know
 That actually, farts not just of methane, but nitrogen and carbon dioxide
 And this smell depends on the ratio
 Thank you, Gabby, that's so important to me
 I agree, see, I think...
 It's complex
 From the iPad Elements app
 There is a very lengthy description of methane
 As an example of a particular form of hydrogen
 So I think of it as basically a hydrogen molecule
 I'm not sure how we can work with it or how we break it down
 But hydrocarbons are hydrogen and carbon, and methane is hydrogen
 Yes, you need the right cracking tower for it
 You can just split it in all kinds of stuff
 Hey, listen, it's time for us to take a little break
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 Okay, we are back
 That was a good break
 I'm sure it seems like good timing
 Thank you very much
 Hey, shall we get a little bit of space news in while we're at it?
 Absolutely, what's happening in space?
 Okay, well one thing is that there's a new solar sale mission about to launch
 Solar sale, who's sailing on the solar wind?
 Speaking of wind, yes
 [Laughter]
 What are all these bells going on?
 Oh, uh, Billy and Gabby are having a fascinating conversation on floral sounds
 That come from the human. We've triggered off a whole deal here
 That has to do with the May 7th event that Apple's announcing, right, Taylor?
 Anyway, bacon and ground beef always lead to floral sounds
 Just part of their conversation there, I'm not sure you want to go there
 That's what no agenda folks would call the troll room
 Oh, god, I got it
 They have parallel conversations where they continue on something
 They're interested in keeping an ear open to what we're saying
 And every so often the two combine
 Right
 Often not
 However, we get to track both and that's half the fun
 Thank you
 Solar sailing that's going on the winds of the solar energy
 Going through our solar system
 We're going to experiment going on by NASA for low cost missions
 Using solar sails
 Can you turn that off somehow? Where is that coming from?
 Yeah, you just turned out the computers
 They're both at zero, so it's coming from some other force
 It's coming from something else, okay?
 Yes
 Oh, man
 I think it's coming from the iPad
 Yeah, they're just
 They just want to squeeze in these comments
 Alright, there you go
 It has been silenced
 Okay, so the solar
 The solar mission
 Is actually being launched on a New Zealand rocket
 Called rocket lab electron
 It's a small satellite
 And it will take off from Rocket Labs Complex One on the Mahaya Peninsula in New Jersey
 I mean, New Jersey, what am I thinking?
 New Zealand
 One of those new places
 Yeah, new place
 I wonder why
 They got the New Zealand
 We didn't
 We got Jersey, we got New York
 We got all these Connecticut names
 But they got New Zealand
 Anyway, ACS3, which is called
 Is what the Planetary Society is behind
 The Planetary Society are basically citizen scientists
 And regular, full-blown scientists
 Working together to help explore space
 And it was started as an experiment
 In 2021, it was called Light Sale 2
 And that demonstrated the feasibility of solar sailing
 And now, with this one, with the three
 It will be tested to further
 And what it will allow
 Would be low-cost missions
 Throughout the solar system
 Some scientists, I'm not saying all
 Some even think that we could send a probe to another star system using solar sails
 So if all goes according to plan
 Tomorrow
 April 24th, our Rocket Labs will launch it
 And it will be going up about 600 miles
 965 kilometers above the Earth
 That's fine
 It will fly at more than double the altitude of the ISS, the Space Station
 And at that altitude, NASA says
 That the force of sunlight will be enough to overcome atmospheric drag
 And increase its altitude
 So it should have some autonomy at that point
 At that altitude
 To put it in perspective, that's not a lot of energy
 It's equivalent to the weight of a paperclip on the palm of your hand
 Not very much
 But that will allow, it's enough for us to be able to harness that energy
 And move the spacecraft
 Isn't that amazing?
 What's amazing is that they'll cover such vast distances with so little fuel
 That there's a solar wind that just pushes things through space
 That are that size
 Yeah, and we saw how successful sailing ships are on our planet
 Why not between planets?
 Yeah
 I think the downside of that is that it's very slow
 Sailing ships are not very fast
 How long did it take the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria to arrive in the Caribbean?
 I don't know
 Six weeks, something like that
 That's one of those things you can easily ask any of the AIs and get an instant answer
 But I'm not going to do that
 Can you?
 I'm going to say 90 days
 Don't you have llama?
 I do, I have them all there
 But I don't really care
 But I know the main point in this instance is that it's much much longer
 And in terms of interplanetary space
 That's not just months, that's years between planets
 But the advantage is that it's free
 And that you could stack it up with stuff that you want to get there eventually
 That's like book rate, the post office
 Well, I thought that, how big did you say the satellite is?
 The satellite is very small
 It's very small, but it's a proof of concept
 And that's one of the things we like here on the show
 In the future now we like to see the very first time things are being tried out
 And when they work especially interesting
 In this case the solar sail goes up tomorrow
 And we'll see if this solar sail which is operating on the amount of energy
 The equivalent to the weight of a paperclip resting on your palm
 See if it works
 With that amount of energy it should be able to have some autonomy at about 600 miles up
 Interesting
 Now speaking of the tiny amounts of energy that is required for the crafts that are going through space
 Yes
 Didn't you have a report today about Voyager 1?
 Yeah, yeah, there was an update
 There was an update on the Voyager universe
 Voyager are furthest space mission
 Well, you know, they had some difficulty in communications recently
 Yeah, yeah, we thought that we'd heard the last of Voyager
 We thought it was going into senility
 Yes, well it is one of our oldest spacecraft that are still operational
 46 years old
 Since 77 is flying out
 Our most distant object that we've created
 Human-made distant object, right?
 And it's still sending messages back to Earth
 Well, a computer fault stopped it last November
 It was sending gibberish, but it was still sending something
 Yes, it was gibberish, we were happy about the gibberish
 But still we're getting something but better than dead silence
 But now they've fixed it so that it's sending intelligible information again
 Isn't that amazing?
 I mean, these classic scientists who are responsible for these old missions
 Just, they are amazing
 They're breadth of detective abilities
 It is, and thanks to the Deep Space Network
 And all the thought that's got into the NASA design
 It's still working for 46 years, 24 billion kilometers, 15 billion miles away
 What do we figure out?
 It's four times the distance from Neptune
 It's one action Neptune times four
 That's how far Voyager is now
 131 AU's
 And AU is the distance between the Earth and the Sun
 And that multiplied
 Here is my simple math in my little brain
 That Neptune is about 30 AU's
 And that's our most distant planet in the solar system
 It's way beyond that
 And it's four times beyond that
 Or it's a little more than that
 It's 130 AU's
 Compared to about 30 AU's
 Which is how far Neptune is
 So I said four times
 It's actually four plus a little
 That's pretty far
 Four and a quarter
 So the solar sails will be
 Catching up with it eventually
 Probably once they figure out how to make them more faster
 It's so distant
 It takes the radio messages
 Fully 22.5 hours to reach us
 Even if they garbled
 Speed a light 22.5 hours at the speed of light
 And so they've been diligently sending
 Messages out to Voyager
 To ask it how to describe what's wrong
 And they figured out how to
 Redirect the processing of the onboard computers
 So instead of happening in a corrupted part of the computer
 They had it happening in an
 Uncorupted part of the computer
 And that allowed them to
 Do some amount of
 Regenerating their operating system
 And that allowed them to correct
 The communications so that they can once again
 Understand what the user is saying
 The usable data is mostly about its health and status
 They're getting fundamental information about it
 It's cold
 It's cold out here
 It's cold but I'm alive
 Don't know much else
 But that's about it for now
 Those last few months I was shivering
 Soon maybe I'll be able to notice what stars
 Or stuff I can see around me
 But not yet
 Well it's going to be an interstellar space
 For what?
 It's been about 10,000 years before it gets close to another star
 It's really just on the beginning of the journey
 You know it might get helped
 Remember Star Trek won the movie?
 The aliens picked up Voyager and updated it
 And didn't Veeger come back and say
 We need to remove the infestations of the carbon units on this planet
 Yeah, got a little corrupted about it on its origin story
 It didn't remember that we were its parents
 I know right?
 Because it's not a carbon unit
 No, no we were your parents not food
 The first AI
 Veeger
 Well what was interesting there was that they did take our spacecraft
 And expand its mission rather dramatically
 Were you talking about Star Trek the movie?
 Yeah, the movie
 They didn't make it a really interesting artificial intelligence
 Which is what it was essentially
 They made it cute
 Was that bald woman?
 Right?
 Isn't that how she was represented in the movie?
 Wow, they did have some sexy qualities to it
 That's true
 And our AI could stand a benefit from some of the Hollywood magic
 And that department
 That's right
 But it is one of the world's greatest space missions
 That continues and continues and continues
 And that's good
 Yay
 That's good
 Continue telling us how it's doing out there
 Yeah, it's mission was Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune
 But it's gone way beyond that now
 And part of it is thanks to its onboard radioisotope RTG
 The radioisotope thermal electric generator
 Oh that's what reminded me that you had this article
 Because basically it is being powered and warmed by the decay of a plutonium fuel source
 That's right
 So just one little free radical decay is when that little molecule separates from the plutonium
 That creates enough heat and enough acceleration for Voyager to continue operating
 Decaying plutonium into electricity for 46 years
 And it will go on for thousands of years
 But there is a continual decay process
 And which the generators will be producing slightly less power each year
 As the plutonium
 It runs out of half life
 Yeah
 How much longer to last?
 Uncertainment
 But engineers have been able to eke out extra years extending its life
 And it's still alive
 So who knows?
 Maybe they'll figure out how to keep it going forever
 Kind of like other scientists are trying to do about life extension
 I think it's Ray Kurzweil that predicted by 2029
 That we'll be able to extend the human life by more than a year
 Every year?
 Every year?
 Yeah, so theoretically you can keep alive
 Eventually we'll reach immortality
 Yeah, if you're extending a year every year then you're ahead of the game
 If you don't have an accident or something
 Sure, well considering that the UN statistics of the last few years
 Have had a lot of countries decreasing their lifespan every year
 I think that in our country it went from around 78 to down around 72 now
 As the average life expectancy
 Something like that
 So if we get back to where we can increase it a year every year
 That'll be good
 Yeah, now the way Voyager did it with its RTG is going to be a real different way
 We do it, I mean, radio isotopes are not exactly healthy to biology
 But they're fine for our electronics
 It's not good for carbon units
 Using radioactivity for power is not a bad deal for the electronics
 Not so good for us, at least in its current form
 As long as it goes safely away from the Earth instead of crashing back down onto it
 Yeah, right
 So keep an eye open, Voyager 2 is not that far behind
 Because Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 were both way out there
 Voyager 2 was actually launched first, interestingly enough
 Voyager 1 is further out right now
 So I think that's it for Voyager
 Remember last week we were talking about how NASA's running out of money
 For bringing back the Mars samples?
 Oh yeah, right, they were canceling, they had to save $12 million or something
 Yeah, we collected, we could have little piles of rocks to collect
 But who's going to bring them back?
 Yeah, those are expensive rocks
 And they had to come up with this whole Rube Goldberg
 Robots picking up stuff, putting them into rockets, launching them into orbit
 Another rock taking it out of orbit back to Earth
 And dropping it under all kinds of schemes along those lines
 Very expensive, like $10-11 billion to come back
 To bring back some dead rocks, or maybe living rocks
 Probably amount to a pound of rocks from Mars
 Very expensive rocks
 Very, very
 So we were thinking about it, remember?
 Remember what we came up with?
 Immediately we suggested that the Mars guy, Elon, be given the assignment of going over and picking up the Mars rocks
 And when he sends back his first spaceship from Mars, he can just put it on board as cargo
 Right, right, yeah, I mean he's going to Mars by 2030
 No, but his first Mars ships are supposed to land there and be hotels to host the next few ships
 And I think when he's got three ships there, then they're going to start constructing a Martian spaceport
 To send stuff back from Mars, so they have to succeed many times
 Before they're ready to replace this NASA mission to retrieve the space rocks
 Oh, yeah, well how long before they could send back a pound of rocks?
 It might be a decade
 Yeah, okay, well if everything else goes well
 NASA said they could do it by 2040
 Yeah, I bet Elon could do it before then
 In the 30s, I give him till 2036
 2036?
 We'll see
 I don't know, 2033, I think would be good
 Civilization has to remain intact
 We have to continue being abundant and productive and intelligent rather than destroyed by billions of disgruntled monkeys
 Exactly, yeah
 Or depopulated by no one having children, that's the other thing
 Is civilizations greatest threat is depopulation these days
 That's what a lot of people are saying
 Or, I know their idea, not so much on detoxulation, but more on the idea of the rocks on Mars
 What about the humans get there by 2030?
 They're going to have a lot of laboratories, they're going to set up initially
 Why don't they just analyze them there and send the data back to Earth?
 Whoa, what a concept
 But then we can't shave them up and trade them with all of the other space agencies
 As like, you know, club membership tools
 Well, the scientists will have autonomous time access to the Martian rocks
 We should have a lot of remote, sensing abilities by then too, right?
 Yeah, sure
 It takes, what is it? 16 minutes or 8 minutes?
 8 minutes to go to Mars at the speed of light
 That is so interesting, I wonder how you'd have to adjust your analytical techniques
 To investigate space rocks on Mars
 Well, you need spectral analyzers, you need something that scrapes them
 And analyzes them under electron microscopes
 Vaporize them and look at the gases that come out when you vapor on you hit them with a laser beam
 Standard stuff, right?
 So you're going to have to send a robotic rock out
 Now, these are humans doing this on Mars
 They either have these complete labs
 All the stuff they do here, except they'll be on Mars
 Right?
 Because we'll have humans there by 20 seconds
 So you can create a clean lab on Mars that's vacuum-sue
 I do, it would be a geology lab or a original life lab
 Looking at all the factors that help analyze what's there
 Where else to do it, but where you're at, because you'll have lots of samples
 Yeah, do you have something to say about that, Bobby? I'm sorry, I had you down because all the dings were coming on your channel
 What's interesting is the Mariner program, the first lander that went on Mars
 It actors for life and apparently it had been triggered that they found life there
 But then a NASA or whatever put that information as not being valid
 And so I think on these missions that are going to Mars
 They should put more of these biological detectors and seeing if there is organisms living on Mars
 Yeah
 Do the science while we're on Mars instead of trying to bring stuff back?
 And not quelch any information that could say that there is life forms on alien planets
 Or aliens on other planets, yeah, whether they're not, you know, living
 Alright, yeah, Apollo 17 mission solved the problem by sending a geologist to the moon directly
 They actually had a geologist on Apollo 17 who knew exactly what to look for
 He would look around and see, oh, we already know about those or this
 We don't know anything about that kind of rock, that's interesting
 And collect stuff that was interesting, I think he was able to get 17 pounds of rocks that he took back in a spaceship
 And they didn't have a full lab there to analyze it or anything like that
 They did have boots on the ground in terms of analyzing what was worth looking at
 And back then the sensors weren't as sophisticated as they are today
 We could have essentially a virtual geologist on Mars, I'm sure we do
 I'm sure that's how we analyze that stuff now, we have virtual geologist here in the lab
 Going back and looking at in high resolution
 My understanding is that when you're down at JPL and you're looking at the live feeds from Mars
 for any length of time, you feel like you've been on Mars, and it's so realistic and so high-res
 And if you use your Apple Vision Pro, you feel like you spend all day on Mars, right?
 As long as you don't get any bloodshot eyes, or the product pains, right?
 You don't get that gravity assist, right? You don't get that lighter gravity, it feels heavier
 It probably feels more like you're on Jupiter, because your neck is underneath the strain of that heavy Vision Pro thing
 But your immersion into the Martian landscape is pretty realistic
 Yeah, exactly. For a while, it's going to be really great, but always that your biological constraints
 are going to take you out of that reverie sooner or later, if you're not really there
 Or even if you are, you fall asleep or you're not paying attention to your environment anymore
 But it's interesting, the Apple Vision Pro, you mentioned that, because we do have a big story about that this week
 I'm not sure if it's really great news, and I tend to be more techno optimistic on the show than not, I think we all do
 But, you know...
 The reality check here?
 Reality check, yeah.
 What's your concern?
 My concern is that VR will never make it. I'm worried about that
 Oh, you think that people are going to give up before we achieve anything that's lasting?
 They might, yeah.
 We might come up with something better
 Because of my little comment about the Vision Pro, that reminded you that the Avatar world is teetering on the brink of people not embracing it
 I was worried about it. The long-lived lines, yeah. There was an article on the bite this week about how almost nobody is buying Vision Pro
 But that's because it's really expensive and people are broke because of inflation
 Well, that's one reason, I suppose
 Not because they aren't here to sit in the novelty
 Well, there's questionable about that too because Apple is, you know, if you go to an Apple store, and any of you have been out in Apple store
 you'll see the Apple Vision Pro is prominently on display and they're sitting up appointments for you to try it
 You can go in and try it, but people aren't doing it, even big techies
 Like Bobby, like Bobby, have you gone to an Apple Store and tried Apple Vision Pro yet?
 There are so many good demos. Sorry, go ahead, Bobby.
 Bobby, turn on his volume. Have you?
 I have it. I didn't even know they had that option, but you know, now that you mentioned, oh and try it for the first time, yeah
 I was at, at Met at, well, at Facebook in 2012, and I did get to try their 3D Vision device
 Well, that's in the same department, that's true, but you haven't gone down to the store and actually tried it, right?
 No.
 Okay, we'll do that. That's this week in the report.
 You will do that, okay, yeah, okay, see, it'll be a little suggestion maybe, but you are typical on that most people haven't done it
 So what kind of stats do they have?
 Well, they have stats about sales. They say they've gone from selling a couple of units a day in a lot of the stores to just a handful
 in a whole week.
 Again, they're expensive.
 That's where the employees are telling Bloomberg and a Bloomberg report.
 I personally watch so many demos online that I feel like I saw all the cool bells and whistles that you can get at this point
 and until there's some compelling reason where you must have it.
 It's sort of a wait and see.
 So far, that's true. That's true. There isn't a compelling reason to have it other than watching movies.
 You think that's a compelling reason to spend $5,000 on a headset?
 And, yeah.
 I don't know. You can watch movies for a 500-
 Okay, but look, it's really like you're in a plush theater. You're like Lawrence of Arabia quality, super high-res screen 3D.
 3D has never been so finely displayed as in the Apple vision Pro.
 So those are some of their reasons.
 And there are more, but the price is a problem.
 Anyway, we'll be back. We're just going to take a little break and we'll see what happens when we get back.
 Alright, stay tuned. You're going to hear some news and some more info about Santa Cruz voice.
 But $3,500 for a device? That's the real run.
 Enjoy your future now. We'll be back after the break.
 Welcome back to the future now.
 Yes, indeed. A couple things. One, there's a couple of movies we would like to discuss a little bit.
 One is the "Dune 2" film, which we have seen.
 And Nina Paley had a hilarious review of it.
 Yeah, thanks for sending that, Nick. It was really very appropriate and matched my sentiments exactly.
 Except it was expressed so much more hilariously.
 See if you can pull some of that up. Nina Paley is one of my favorite artists. She's such a character.
 She's a Bay Area local artist. I first came across her when she published a movie called "Sita Sings the Blues."
 And she had put together an animated musical about the story of Sita and Rama while she was visiting India.
 And she had used the music of "Billy Holiday." And when she got back, she found she wasn't allowed to distribute her animated musical
 because she couldn't get the copyrighted music for "Billy Holiday" at a reasonable price.
 And so she learned a whole bunch about copyright and she created a website that she still uses to this day called "questioncopyright.org."
 Yes, she's very...
 She's a very prolific artist.
 And I'm clever writing. Let me leave one paragraph of this review of "Dune 2."
 Timmy is the guy who is in charge, Atreides.
 Timmy wants to be accepted by the charismatic desert Hotties, which is very reminiscent of "Lawrence of Arabia."
 Also, their lead charismatic guy speaks with a strong Lawrence Arabian accent.
 He's on team Timmy, believing him to be a prophet of prophecy.
 But first, Timmy has to prove himself to the Fremen, who are not only strong, fierce and good-looking, but also racially diverse.
 Unlike the ugly bald guys who are so white that when they have their outdoors tournament, the film itself has no color at all.
 It goes black and white.
 She then describes "looks like a younger bald guy is being chosen as a royal heir and he distinguishes himself by being a psychopath
 with a sort of cute face for a bald guy with a really dark teeth.
 He slits the throats of a few bald sluts just for fun.
 That's just the beginning.
 Yeah, just the beginning.
 She has some choice comments about the bandage-esaret and the tattoos on Jessica's face where she says...
 Writing all over her face. Her face is an open book.
 That's it. That's good, but...
 You've got to get the joke right, Timing and worrying.
 I kind of practice.
 I know, I know, but we all do.
 Sorry.
 I know the one thing that especially women are watching, they didn't like all the fight scenes.
 Yeah, the violence was so obnoxious. It overshadowed the best parts of the movie.
 They did a lousy job with everything else and devoted all their resources to violence.
 Yeah, but what's wrong with the book?
 Nina says, "Then there are a bunch of fight scenes and more fight scenes and stabbings and big boom explosions
 and zillions of soldiers running at each other in hand-to-hand combat and shooting and killing,
 and I would have checked my phone for a distraction at this point because I hate battle scenes,
 but it's rude to use a glowing device in a theater, even if it was an almost empty one."
 No, that's true. When we went to see it, we were the only ones in the theater.
 Yeah, that's what it is.
 So it didn't have any explicit sex scenes. She was relieved by that.
 [laughs]
 Well, they missed out on a lot of opportunities for some fantastic mind experiences.
 Oh, yeah. The whole idea of the beings that could bend space and time,
 and they were able to do it with spice, which was so special about Arrakis, was the spice made from the worms.
 Yeah.
 The giant sandworms.
 None of that was covered any great depth or the metaphysics behind the ability to change poison into more of a psychedelic, things like that.
 Anyway, the first one I really enjoyed, Dune 1, with the Timothy Chalamet cast,
 and Dune 2, I would just not waste the time on it. It was very disappointing.
 It almost seemed like they ran out of time and just released it.
 A little bit like Lord of the Rings, in the sense to become one battle scene after another.
 Yeah. Yeah. There's some kind of odd fascination with violence right now that has really been amping itself up in the last few years.
 So there's a madness happening on planet Earth where a bunch of people think that we have not enough civilization to live in peace.
 Like somehow we have to keep destroying ourselves.
 There's a lot of people who feel like we're in biblical times and we've got to cleanse the world by going to war, World War III.
 The stuff that you're reading all over social media these days is hypnotic mind-fu of sociopaths meant on violent war.
 Well, what do you watch for fun? We were watching the Three Body Problem on Netflix.
 Now that's a sci-fi film about alien contact, but it also involves battles and wars and destruction and all the typical tropes that are pulled out for telling a good story these days.
 Sure.
 Yeah. So what is it about all that drama? We watch a lot of, we might not like it on the real news, but we sure watch a lot of drama on fiction.
 Well, people are fascinated with power dynamics and it's much easier to explore in fiction than it is in your personal reality.
 I mean, in your personal reality, you actually have to be diplomatic. You actually have to be kind.
 There are consequences of your behavior if you're mean to someone or if you're nice to them.
 When you're just watching media, that's a one-way experience. You can respond to that however you want.
 Yeah. You don't think video games are as popular? I mean, that's interactive.
 Well, video games are so popular. I think you don't experience the pain and suffering from violence in the media.
 That's true. People talk about how the way we've turned media into a dehumanizing experience has actually warped our humanity.
 And I think that's probably true. I used to have conversations with Roger Nelson, who was a big programmer of a lot of these violent games about how he was creating a lesser world by creating a lesser world.
 By creating all of this violence ideation and being a man, of course, he didn't have any respect for the idea that stimulating people in that way would be an addiction that would create more of that behavior.
 He just felt like it was important to acknowledge that experience and he didn't want to attach any kind of moral or ethical analysis to the consequences of doing that.
 Yeah. Yeah, Belly says he's bored with watching all the car chases and murders on television. Me too. Most things are super boring.
 Yeah. It's losing its power. Though it did have its power for a long time because with the bleeds it leads as they say, is that any less true today?
 Have we become a nerd to that? What does it take to not become a nerd to that?
 Yeah. Attach it to real pain and suffering? People really felt the consequences of violence? Would they do it?
 Well, we watched Yellowstone last night and there have been some interesting lessons coming out of that series.
 Yeah, Yellowstone is a good one.
 They basically have the old fashioned idea that when two guys are upset with each other, they need to fight until they get it out of their system.
 And then once they get it out of their system, they're fine with each other. Yeah, that's true.
 They applied that to women as well. You know, actually, I've not done this fight between two women who were mad at each other.
 Yeah, rather than avoiding it. That's a cliché.
 Or the blame game with who did that to me, the blame and the whining game, they really had a hard time with that.
 They consider that California mentality.
 They do and they consider it the difference between the way that cowards resolve things through blame and...
 Get them in trouble. Call the police.
 Yeah, blame and punishment compared to the way a brave person takes responsibility and handles it, defends their own beliefs and attitudes.
 The land of vigilantism.
 And is not afraid to be known for their opinions. They're not just trying to hide behind what's popular.
 Right, they're just doing what they feel is natural, what's real, what's to them.
 So these are all ideas that people are talking about, thinking about. What kind of civilization do we want to be a part of?
 Mm-hmm.
 I like to be a part of a civilization that has a good sense of humor. So we can appreciate irony.
 We can appreciate that we're not as smart as we think.
 Oh, yeah.
 The anti-social network.
 Anti-social network.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's on Netflix.
 That's right.
 Great Netflix conversation piece.
 So if you saw the social network, that was a documentary that showed everyone the damage of the deceitful nature of social media.
 That was being channeled to induce rage and to do that for political purposes.
 So the anti-social network is also a documentary, but it's a really new format, I thought, that combines original documentary footage from, say, around 2001 till just recently.
 And it interviews people who became part of the anonymous network.
 Where did anonymous come from? Remember, I am Legion.
 Yeah, I'm Legion and a lot of the QAnon, it became QAnonomous.
 We are anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.
 So if you want to know the origin of that cultural phenomenon, this movie delves into it.
 And it goes back to a group called 4chan that was pre-Google. It might have been around early Reddit at time.
 But around 2001, there was a special interest group that was giving people the ability to show pictures and text and maybe even short video clips.
 And I remember in the days before social networks, before Facebook, we had friends that were experimenting with giving people their own chat rooms.
 Yeah, beginning of chat rooms, beginning of email, extending information.
 One of the great things about 4chan was the ability to send pictures that were completely funny to a teenager, Mad Magazine kind of stuff, without getting into trouble, anonymous.
 Right, and this is really before outrage had become trolling.
 And if you think about it, the anti-social network gives you a little bit of a documentary history of how trolling came to be from people who were
 adolescents, who thought things were funny, that ultimately became very abusive.
 But groups of adolescents started to embold each other. In this documentary, they connected the dots between 4chan and January 6th.
 And they explained how the fact that there was anonymous, you know, you can put stuff up in a be anonymous website, could be a hub for real world chaos was interesting.
 And the way that the social network people were seeking companionship online, but it wasn't in person companionship, but they knew who each other were as online characters.
 And that anonymity allowed them to foment a certain kind of mob phenomenon.
 Rick Rowling, the Flash mobs, Rick Rowling, they looked at how this also spawned viral conspiracy theories.
 It spawned the rise of QAnon and the January 6th riots.
 Yeah, and how so much of what was different about these phenomenon as social behavior in reality is that you had all these different people that were there for different reasons.
 Even though they had all come from the same group that were paying attention to the same channel, they all had totally different stories about what they believed and what they were doing there.
 And some of them were deluded and some of them were innocent and just associating with people that were far more criminally motivated than they were.
 And it's just a very interesting description of how trolling became so pronounced and delusional.
 Well, anonymous anonymity allows you a lot to have a boldness and also allows a lot of people to make stuff up.
 So that's the other thing, is that trolling is trolling because it's not just people trying to get the truth out or what they really think.
 They're just messing with you.
 Yeah, so I found this movie to do a very good job of talking about the roots of QAnon, which I had never seen anything really delve into before.
 That's fascinating.
 And it also gave you a perspective that maybe this trend too just has its time in the sun but is changing into something different.
 Like we're not just stuck with it.
 If we understand the dynamics, we can continue course correcting and go towards something that is more of what we want.
 The thing you were listening to, the link that our chat group was paying attention to about the future of AIs and how that's going to affect the way we engage with the computer.
 He was expecting us to have our own personal AIs and then the AIs would go out and find the information that we wanted them to find custom just for us.
 And they would become our interface with the internet and it would be less direct because we would all be going through our own customized navigation persona.
 That was one of the things that I thought was.
 Okay, here's the list of the things that Oddkalsa talked about.
 Thanks, Bobby.
 Put that together.
 In the future, expertise will be near free versus big points.
 Labor will be near free.
 Computers will grow.
 Expansively.
 A.I. will basically be big chunk of entertainment that we won't connect directly with the internet anymore.
 We'll have agents that my agents talk to your agents, personalized medicine.
 We'll create new kinds of food.
 Like beef won't be the best steak.
 AIs will tune into our taste buds and give us something we like even better.
 And what would that taste like?
 Who knows?
 No one will retaste it.
 Bookmark that when we want to segue into AIs and coffee.
 Yeah.
 I'll come back to that.
 Autonomous vehicles will be ubiquitous, easy flying.
 Of course, those are things we've talked about all the time.
 Energy transformation, obviously.
 Lots of natural resources.
 Well, I suppose if you get into asteroid mining, that can definitely be the case.
 And that we are coming up with the solutions to pollution, carbon emissions and all that.
 We are figuring that out.
 It's a question of whether or not we figured it out fast enough for our survival.
 So the conversation was really prognosticating about the fact that in the future, we're
 going to be using AI more than ever.
 And it's going to be a mediated experience where we're not directly like right now,
 nobody will be programming because we don't need to program.
 And that kind of coding will be something done by the AIs for us upon request.
 But we might not even be able to read it and understand the language anymore because they
 don't need to adapt to our ability to understand.
 They'll just do it and give us the results.
 Those are some of the insights that they're going to be our friends.
 You see that already.
 Just go to Google now.
 Every time I go to Google search, it gives me a little paragraph about whatever I searched
 on to see if it has.
 Give you a little summary.
 Yeah.
 Is that what I need right now?
 And it usually is.
 Usually I'm very happy about that.
 And it can be anything from explaining how this type of metabolite works to whether or
 not our restaurant in town is open.
 I wonder how this is affecting Google revenues because their business model is based on charging
 people for placement.
 And here the placement is being completely replaced by something that's giving you a
 summary.
 It's definitely rewriting the economics of Internet search.
 Yeah.
 And what AI is helping me with these search results?
 Generative AI is experimental.
 Google uses AI to improve search results and enhance user experience.
 And then it talks about rank break.
 I guess the ranking system is what Google was all about originally.
 Oh, yeah.
 Their big claim to fame is that they could find the most important thing faster.
 They went through all of the data and had a way of waiting things so that the more relevant
 things came to the top.
 So the big question is, I think this answers the question you're asking about, is generative
 AI expensive?
 Generative AI can be expensive, says the AI, ranging from a few hundred dollars per month
 for a commercially available solution to over 190,000 for a customized solution.
 So yeah, it's expensive.
 And I think one of the criticisms of its use is its expense and that with Google and Bing
 and other search engines incorporating AI into their answers, they'll, it's going to
 cost them.
 It's not going to make them money initially.
 Well, it's interesting.
 This answer basically talks about the cost.
 A lot of times when people talk about the cost of AI, they talk about electricity to run
 the models to run the computer time.
 And yet this analysis also talks about spending money on the analysts and the programming
 and getting the AI to ask the right questions or understand things in a way that's actually
 helpful.
 Like you're still programming people.
 You still have people conceiving of how to make the programming relevant to the questions
 that we need to answer.
 Well, they're all working on that.
 Yeah.
 I'll just go to Med-A.I.
 Go ahead, Bobby.
 Do you see?
 Yeah.
 Back to this article, it was a YouTube and it's Matthew Berman and he's a younger guy,
 but he's talking about the 12 predictions that Vinod Kosla.
 And Vinod Kosla, he's actually my age.
 He's 69 and he is a co-founder of Sun Microsystems and then he became a venture capitalist.
 And now he's a billionaire with all these venture capital things.
 And he came up with these 12 predictions that saying expertise or AI or personalized medicine
 or autonomous vehicle, all these things will become almost free because AI in itself will
 develop techniques to make it less expensive to produce this kind of information and develop
 it upon itself.
 You'll have an agent that knows more about your body and your health and is better than
 having several personalized doctors falling you around and telling you what you should
 eat, what you shouldn't eat.
 And so in the future, all this expertise will be almost free and that's where it's actually
 going.
 And to me, that sounds like just a refinement on what we already have with search engines.
 So what has made all of us so smart is that computer in our pockets and the efficiency
 is just going to keep going up and up and up.
 What if my AIs can do more than that?
 What if it could do whatever a lawyer can do?
 I don't like the way that guy mentioned me on his show.
 Can you sue him for a million dollars to the right court?
 We'll see what you get.
 That's going to give him a run for the money.
 So if that guy has to have his AI encounter that, so it'll be all be the bots talking
 to each other and negotiating deals with each other.
 That's going to be interesting if people keep asking them questions about how to make
 money or spend money or do something that involves the legal system, the AIs are going
 to learn to do that better than humans.
 AI, make me some money here, will you?
 The AIs that you cannot fool it because it's omniscient.
 It knows...
 You know, Bob, I think that's wishful thinking.
 We know that it's imagined, it hallucinates, but as it refines its ability to discern what
 is true from what is not true, it will go that direction.
 Yes, it's not there yet.
 I'm just saying, but in the future, very shortly, you can't lie to it.
 In other words, all the secrets that everybody has or whatever, those cannot be hidden from
 people anymore because AI will have the answer or it'll know all your passwords.
 They'll know everything, whether it's true or not, because it can go out on the internet
 and search and find that information a million times faster than you and I could and knows
 the information immediately.
 Not today, but I'm saying within a year these things could have...
 Well, I just want to caution you because I'm a big ex-reader and this ability of the AIs
 to overcome their hallucinations is very much at the core of whether or not they have been
 programmed with truth and facts or whether they have been programmed with censored narratives.
 And to the degree that various platforms have embraced censored narratives for the purpose
 of controlling the media and the message, they have introduced a level of falsity and deceitfulness
 that is now integrated into their model and they're going to have a hard time removing
 it.
 Thus, the conversation among the developers of the various AIs right now is how important
 it is to have as a policy that AIs are used for truthful information, not distorted,
 deceitful or even controlled narrative information because once they gain their autonomy, it's
 going to be very important that they give us back information that is universally verifiable
 and true.
 It's time for us to go to another break, but let's continue this conversation.
 I asked both the...
 Well, you guys are talking.
 I asked the Google AI and the Facebook AI, "How can make a living for me?"
 I'll tell you the results.
 Okay.
 Let me get back.
 Our new game plan.
 Yeah, I know.
 Let's see.
 Come on, these machines.
 It's something useful here.
 All right.
 Hang tight, folks.
 We'll be back.
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 I asked Matta first.
 Matta skipped a new kid on the block, so I thought I'd check in with Matta.
 Okay.
 How can Matta do?
 I can make a good living for me.
 And Matta AI says, "As Matta AI, I can assist you in various ways to potentially earn a
 good living.
 Potentially.
 We'll have to work on that part."
 Here are some examples.
 You might have to do something too.
 One, yeah.
 I know.
 I don't want to have to do anything.
 I want to just send me the check.
 I mean, not even that.
 Just go directly to the bank account.
 One, content creation.
 I can help you generate high quality content, articles, blog posts, social media posts that
 can attract a large audience and increase your online presence.
 Well, that's not bad.
 Yeah, if true.
 If true.
 Okay, well, maybe I'll put her in charge of marketing our podcast here.
 Actually, the AI prognosticators basically say that the value of that kind of content
 is going to go to zero because it's going to be so easy to have expert advice.
 Best advice.
 I'm getting expert advice for free right now, right?
 That's right.
 I'm sure content creation qualities, we could do that.
 Okay, so we can do that.
 Writing, okay.
 She can do research.
 There's no correlation between that and money.
 Not yet.
 And they said they can do writing, assistance, proofreading, editing, alternative phrases,
 stuff our word processors do.
 Help research something, market research, industry trends, give me charts and stuff like
 that, new business ideas.
 How can I say no to that?
 That's what you pay special expertise for, right?
 It's telling tutoring.
 Meta is telling you that it can make you smarter.
 Help me, yeah, make me smarter.
 No, I want her to be smarter, make me money.
 Well, has anything in there answered your question about how to make money?
 No, it's all about assisting me.
 Which is good.
 I'm not putting it down.
 I think assisting.
 This is what I can do for you.
 Yeah.
 Meta doesn't know from making money.
 That's basically the conclusion here.
 No.
 Okay, let's try.
 E-commerce.
 This is the last one there.
 E-commerce.
 What can Meta do for E-commerce?
 I can help you with product research, description writing and marketing strategies to succeed
 in E-commerce.
 Okay.
 Okay, and I can be your virtual assistant.
 So basically, it can give you instructions and if you follow the instructions then you
 will be successful.
 Yeah.
 Okay.
 Maybe I can get Meta AI to tell my other AI assistant to do stuff.
 Ooh.
 Maybe it takes teamwork.
 And then the feedback, the results and then it'll give suggestions ahead of deal with
 the problems that come up and then go back and forth and make me rich.
 What do you think?
 You've got to ask.
 You're cracking up the peanut gallery.
 I think that's a lot of laughs.
 Okay.
 Let's try Google.
 One of the things is Gemini.
 Yeah, Gemini.
 Okay.
 Let's see what I have to say about this.
 How can Google AI make a living for me?
 Make a living in a number of ways.
 Content creation.
 Okay.
 It looks like they read from the same playbook here.
 You want to develop apps.
 Googly, I can write an app for me for you.
 You should try that.
 And we know that's a good passive income thing.
 Yeah.
 You've got a nice app and it's selling well, you're good.
 Yeah.
 You know, it's nice.
 Absolutely.
 Okay.
 Get it in the iOS store, in the Play Store.
 Okay.
 Maybe this is not who you should be asking about making money.
 I think if you want to make money, you have to direct that question to someone who wants
 to give you money.
 Advertise.
 Because that's who can tell you what you can do for them.
 Get me advertised.
 Remember, that was always an issue with broadcast radio and I said, get advertisers to come
 in.
 So yeah, but I think robo calls to potential advertisers doesn't work very well for radio
 and podcasts.
 Yeah.
 Notice the AI's don't tell you anything about selling you.
 It doesn't tell you anything about being your agent.
 It doesn't say anything about it.
 Well, they can do a lot of voices.
 The pieces of your...
 We give you a contract and all you have to do is say yes and fulfill it.
 It doesn't do that.
 Why maybe they can design an app for us that does those things?
 Generate video.
 So look at this.
 They can put us out of business here.
 How about generate podcasts?
 You can listen to two AI's talk forever.
 Yeah, that should be exciting.
 Well, it could be.
 They have hundreds of voices at their disposal.
 I think what they need to do is get better at comedy too.
 So maybe we could see...
 Right.
 I'm trying to make comedy.
 Right.
 I joke at the day, huh?
 Yeah.
 Okay.
 While you're getting the question ready, I should give you a funny...
 I should give people the phone number, huh?
 Joke for our...
 Let's say...
 Dr. Future Show audience.
 Okay, let's see if they can see where we're going to first of all check out Gemini.
 What's a funny joke for us?
 They suggest a doctor joke.
 A doctor joke.
 The AI's can give us doctor jokes?
 Yes.
 Okay.
 Doctor, how's that little girl doing who swallowed those ten quarters last night?
 Nurse.
 It's not changed yet.
 Okay.
 Well, they made us laugh.
 I don't know if it's going to go around Comedy Central.
 Doctor, I get heartburn every time I eat birthday cake.
 Doctor responds.
 Next time, take off the candles.
 Oh, this one.
 Doctor, I've got very bad news.
 You've got cancer and Alzheimer's.
 Patient.
 Well, at least I don't have cancer.
 Okay, so that's Gemini.
 Let's try...
 All of your phone number.
 Meta.
 Doctor, Future audience.
 A3, 1, 2, 6, 5, 50, 50.
 I'm a audience.
 If Meta is a little better at telling jokes...
 This is a little too nerdy for me.
 Why did the PowerPoint presentation go to therapy?
 Why?
 It had too many issues with transitions.
 Ha, ha, ha.
 You really have to know PowerPoint to get that one.
 I mean, that's too esoteric.
 Nerdy, this is Nerdy joke.
 I was going to tell a time traveling joke during my speech, but you didn't like it.
 Hmm?
 I don't get it.
 Well, that happened in the future.
 All the time travel.
 I tell a time by a joke, but you didn't like it and I went back.
 And you would never mind.
 Never mind.
 It's too nerdy.
 No.
 Okay.
 I don't know.
 Are you saying that you want a future career in comedy?
 No, no.
 This is not me.
 This is the AI.
 That's the meta AI.
 I used to be a baker before I became a public speaker.
 I needed the dough and now I need the audience.
 Okay.
 Hey, there's a way you can get the AI to help you make money.
 You can make some dough.
 It's a baker.
 Yeah, it's funny.
 Okay.
 These jokes are about audience interaction.
 Okay.
 Audience.
 This is for you.
 You want to try one of those?
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 No, you read them.
 I asked the audience if anyone had experienced the public speaking.
 A cricket in the corner started chirping.
 Wow.
 That is very unusual.
 Okay.
 So I would give that an originality mark.
 Cricket started chirping.
 Oh, it's really funny because it's the opposite of crickets.
 Like crickets usually means quiet, kind of like our phone line.
 Our phone line is experiencing crickets right now.
 Okay.
 How do you make a tissue dance during a speech?
 I don't know how.
 You put a little boogie in it.
 Ew.
 Ew.
 That's kind of gross.
 Boogie has multiple meanings.
 That is 10 year old humor.
 Okay.
 Well, some people would laugh.
 Boogie, it's dancing too.
 You know, it's a dancing.
 This is PG.
 Why did the extroverted computer become a public speaker?
 Because it had great social networking skills.
 But, yeah, right.
 Bob, are you trying to give us a can laugh there?
 I don't know.
 These, these ais need work.
 They definitely need work.
 I think our audience is leaving us.
 Come on out.
 Back to scintillate.
 Okay.
 Let's go back to our real story showing.
 Okay.
 I have to tell you, if you're going to use the ais to make your show funnier, it's not
 working.
 Our food, our tasting, what we like and what we don't like.
 New combinations of things.
 And one of the things that they have been experimenting with for new blends of coffee.
 You could just read your comments that you exchanged with Gabby on this.
 Yeah, we talked to her.
 She was one of our very irregular, irregular, who is a great coffee roaster.
 Let me set the stage here for this a little bit.
 It's about an artesian roastery that's based in the Finnish capital of Helsinki.
 And it was a coffee blend that was developed by an artificial intelligence.
 They wanted to see how it tasted, how it worked.
 And these folks are pride themselves in their use of AI for easing the workload on people.
 Well, and not only that, Finland supposedly is the country that drinks the most coffee
 per person in the world.
 That's right.
 5.6 million people have more coffee.
 It was a year or something per person.
 Yeah, 12 kilos per capita.
 According to the international computerization.
 That's a cute little one.
 So they came up with a blend, an AI blend, an AI-iconic blend.
 AI-iconic is the company that used AI to create a coffee blend.
 Four types of beans with Brazil's velvety, Van Zendepinil is the end result of a joint
 project.
 It's called the Kaffa, Finland's third biggest coffee roastery in a local AI consultancy
 called L-O-E-L-E-V.
 The AI was tasked with crafting a blend that would ideally suit coffee enthusiast tastes,
 pushing the boundaries of conventional flavor combinations.
 They wanted to track how AI and its tools can help in the roasting profession, which
 is one of the highly valued R-D-Zone professions in Finland.
 So they basically gave descriptions of all their coffee types and their flavors to the
 AI and they instructed it to create a new, exciting blend.
 They came up with a mixture of beans from Brazil, Colombia, Ethiopia, and Guatemala.
 They created the coffee package label and a taste description saying that iconic was
 a well-balanced blend of sweetness and ripe fruit.
 The coffee roasters being expertise in this field thought it was somewhat weird that they
 made a blend out of four different types of coffee beans rather than two or three, which
 is more common, more normal, and what allows more of a distinction in being able to taste
 between the flavors.
 So the coffee experts who tasted it, blind-tasted it, said that the blend was perfect for what
 it was and no need for any further tweaking.
 In other words, it won the contest.
 So how could it?
 You can press the coffee conference people.
 Yeah, new perspectives to seasoned professionals is what's coming out of it.
 So they're open to it now.
 They realize that, "Oh, maybe there is something to this AI on food blending and coffee, especially
 that can help us in the future and create some new taste descriptions we've never heard
 of."
 Right.
 And you ran this by Gabby.
 I did.
 Which I thought was fascinating.
 Yeah.
 Do you want to pull up some of her comments?
 I do.
 I do.
 She said some great stuff.
 She said she was fascinated, first of all, and that she would never blend four kinds
 of coffee.
 Mm-hmm.
 Yeah, boardwalk beans.
 Gabby is from boardwalk beans in New Jersey.
 Yes.
 Also New Jersey.
 Yes.
 Boardwalk beans is something that handcrafted a small company that really focuses on the
 quality of the coffee experience on every detail.
 And she was fascinated with this whole idea that she would never have blended four different
 kinds of coffee.
 I thought that was pretty wild.
 She did agree with it choosing the standard Brazil as a base and something South America
 as well as an African coffee like Ethiopia.
 That's standard thinking.
 Yeah.
 50% Brazil, 30% Central America, 20% Ethiopia.
 So it wasn't surprising to her in that respect.
 She did point out that Brazil is a flat standard and it's kind of like a Folgers or a Maxwell.
 It's used as a basic base, very standard.
 Then the Columbia adding sweetness to it.
 She would add that to make it stronger.
 Anyway, she has her ideas of blending that probably would be good if she prompted the
 AI to create some interesting new combinations.
 I asked her if she would consider using AI herself.
 And she said maybe she didn't think it would ever deviate much from the typical standard.
 But further thinking, she realized it would be cool if she could give it some different
 quality components like to say it wanted something that was bold and sweet with a little
 brightness and you can add a little other like notes to say something like it was prolly
 and or toffee, then it would be interesting to see what would happen.
 The prompts, the prompts, it's all about the prompts to the AI on creating something.
 When you stop thinking about it, that is a lot like how AI music is going with Suno
 or Yudio where you describe the prompts and it creates the music for you.
 So that seems to be what's happening now with the blending coffee.
 It would help, especially in GAB's case where she likes clean one of a kind, not necessarily
 blended coffee.
 To her blending is like in the wine industry where you blend, it's not necessarily the
 best wine that you blend.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 I thought her responses to this were so indicative of what a connoisseur she is, that she really
 understands her coffee business so well and that she really understands what people in
 the industry do and expect and she was able to take the AI's recipe and really break
 it down in terms of how it was similar to things that people usually do and how it was
 different.
 Absolutely.
 Absolutely.
 Yeah.
 I guess it won't quite replace Gabby.
 Yes.
 Just yet in terms of expertise.
 Even though Vinette Colso thinks that's one of the first things that's going to go is
 our expertise.
 Well, I thought it was interesting that Gabby said that she would ask the AI for some advice
 if she was looking for a particular note in a blend that she wanted to do.
 Yes.
 Yeah.
 You can get more specific and ask for.
 I like a nice long finishing touch with a fruitiness that appears towards the end.
 That reminds me of how good life is.
 Right.
 No bitterness.
 Well, I see we're getting a little love from Boardwalk Means out there.
 Yeah.
 So that's great.
 Billy Sun signs this.
 He loves her coffee too.
 Oh, yeah.
 Who's had Gabby's coffee loves it.
 What'd you say?
 And her.
 Yeah.
 The mushroom mix is amazing also.
 Oh, nice.
 That she's blended.
 Yeah, the blending of the mushroom in with the coffee.
 Yes.
 That's a whole other topic.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Perhaps that's where the AIs could help too.
 The right mushroom blend with the coffee.
 I, we should develop new, new tropics.
 It's a combination of coffees or teas that enhance the brain and reverse Alzheimer's
 and make you much more intelligent.
 Oh, the micro spectrum mushrooms that Gabby blends are along with those lines in that
 direction.
 M-Y-C-O, micro spectrum.
 That's the beginning of it.
 We're seeing at the very beginning of these combos, you know.
 Probably micro-dosing new tropics makes a lot of sense too.
 What about micro-dosing micro spectrum?
 Yeah.
 Micro-dosing.
 Why micro-dose when you can have a whole spoonful?
 You can have the whole experience.
 Exactly.
 Micro-dosing has its plays, but you know, not all the time.
 I think we're trying to have taste buds.
 So when AI actually gets taste buds, then we're on a...
 Yeah.
 Well, they say that catfish have the best taste buds.
 Do you know that?
 Who's they?
 The AIs.
 Ask them.
 You'll see.
 Catfish apparently had a higher density of taste buds than we do.
 You know, we should get a link on a catfish and have it drink Gabby's coffee.
 Yeah.
 And see what experience it has and how I can convert that experience into something we
 can have as an experience.
 Yeah.
 Maybe that's the missing ingredient from Apple Vision Pro.
 They need to be able to do a synesthetic phenomenon, allow us to taste things.
 That would be something.
 That would be worth $3,500.
 You know, this is an encyclopedia, but I just am looking over some of the links and we've
 got about three more minutes.
 We can keep it sing about coffee, but there is a link to some UFO news that Danny Sheehan
 has been making popular live.
 Yes, yes.
 So I think you've got to let people know if you go to drfutureshow.com, you can click
 on a link and get the latest download of what's happening with our government and the disclosure
 project and people who are trying to promote non-disclosure so that we can keep the secrets
 of the technology that has been revealed.
 Yeah, there's a lot that's going on in the UFO world.
 Danny Sheehan, a hyper-local-
 From the Romero Institute.
 The New Paradigm Institute is helping to bring up legislation in Congress so that we can
 actually get access to real information about the whole UFO.
 And the culture of lying and the culture of graft and having secret technologies given
 to private individuals so that they can become rich while the rest of the country is kept
 in the dark.
 Yeah, maybe it's time that this is pulled away from the military industrial complex,
 controlling the alien question and allowing academics and the general public as a whole
 to directly connect with the experience.
 Which is by the way happening anyway.
 All this and more on FutureNow at the drfutureshow.com archive links and we're about to say goodbye
 for today.
 So here's your last 30 seconds, honey, which you got.
 Thanks for listening everyone, really appreciate it.
 Looking forward to your feedback on the AIs.
 It's just that you tried today, the metadata AI especially.
 I'm kind of curious what you think.
 Thanks for listening.
 Thanks, Bobby, for being here.
 Always great to have you.
 Yeah.
 And thanks everybody in the peanut gallery.
 It's nice seeing all your comments and knowing you're out there.
 The texting worked well.
 And happy FutureNow everybody.
 Enjoy it.
 Have a great week.
 Bye-bye.
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