Say kids, what time is it? the future is coming on it's coming on it's coming on is coming on is yes and we're coming on to you live from the beach in Apatos California beautiful day today actually sunny today. That's right we did a little time slipping it was so beautiful.
 Yeah that ocean just bringing in the fog and making everything a little hazy little bit hazy.
 And we got Bobby in San Francisco he's back after being in the flowers last week the Carrizo Plains.
 Yeah I'm so glad to be here it's sunny here too I appreciate the sun so much now.
 Yeah it's beautiful nothing like a sunny day warm day in San Francisco I tell you.
 We're gonna talk about space and what people are still thinking about the eclipse and people's various adventures.
 A second hour we've got Dave Welch coming in who flew his very own homemade plane out to check out the eclipse.
 I would call a homemade plane to Cessna 182.
 Well you know put a lot of time into it. Yeah he made it go.
 He and Amy had a great time they're gonna tell us all about it as they chase the eclipse.
 Yes our fellow com patriots on Santa Cruz voice.
 Yeah a lot of good stories one of the interesting breakthroughs lately has been some new apps that allow you to convert text into a song.
 Oh yeah that's really a song right. Breakthrough technology.
 Yeah and one of our regular contributors Greg Panos down in Long Beach area used UDO to create a little tune for our show.
 And we want to play you a sample of that. This was done with UDO that's a beta program.
 This is a program that goes text to songs and you can write some text about a song about your friend's birthday.
 And it'll create a new tune. It'll do it country western or rock or progressive house or whatever you're into.
 It gives you lots of different choices. Check this out. Here we go.
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 Synchronizing our brains with their interface.
 Okay there you go. I can understand it. I would probably use a little lower music.
 A little more ambient music in the background I think. Good.
 Hey not bad for the first time that we've seen that program work. UDO.
 [Laughter]
 Okay so let's go on to some other news here. Did you know that investors are growing increasingly weary of AI?
 I tell me more. It's the latest buzzword. I would be very surprised if there weren't some people getting tired of it.
 People are getting kind of weary of hearing about it all the time. But that's humans right?
 We kind of wear out on hearing the same thing over and over and over again.
 And investors are increasingly weary of it. Well what's the evidence of that?
 Apparently both private investments that is investments in startups from VCs and corporate investment,
 mergers acquisitions are down in 2023 versus the prior year.
 I'm really surprised because all the news was about how much more investment is going in that direction.
 Yeah, yeah how much more? We're seeing more of the fruits of the laborers probably from earlier research.
 But they say that AI related mergers and acquisitions fell from 117.16 billion in 22 to 80.6 billion in 23,
 from 117 to 80 billion down 31 percent. And that private investment dipped from 103 billion to 95 billion.
 So the total investment in AI dropped to 189.2 billion last year. 20 percent decline compared to 22.
 Who's doing the math? Tech crunch. But the thing is, is that there's certain areas that are doing very well,
 like the stuff that we play with. The AI media stuff and the video stuff and the audio stuff.
 Right and generative AI seems to be doing very well.
 Right. We've been having a lot of fun playing. There's so many new tools coming out. You can hardly keep up with it.
 Yeah, and more AI companies are receiving investments than ever before. There were 1812 AI startups in 23, up 40 percent from 22.
 Now 23 was a very good year. Yeah, in terms of the tech coming in, for sure.
 AI investing is spreading out andthropic open AI.
 Oh, that's the beach for you. Yeah. Oh, by the way, we have a nice long stretch of road right in front of the beach here.
 So it's become very popular with hot rods. Yeah, people love to race down the street late at night because they can get away with it.
 So the neighbors took some action. Yes. So now they put some speed bumps in the road and one of them is right in front of our place.
 So we might see some of these cars flipping over right in front of us. You're here.
 Yeah, if that happens, we'll definitely let you know.
 So as I was saying, AI investment. John David Lovelock, a garter analyst, says that the count of billion dollar investments has slowed and is all but over.
 Large AI models require massive investments. The market is now more influenced by the tech companies that will utilize existing AI product services and offerings to do new ideas.
 Adobe? Yeah, Adobe's all in. They're even incorporating elements of all the leaders in the media AI category.
 Yeah, it seems like NAB was a real old fashioned industry love fest.
 It had all of these AI companies coming together in Las Vegas during this last week.
 And it seems like a lot of new partnerships have come away. Adobe seems like it's invested in a bunch of companies.
 It's a whole bunch of AI's, or at least licensing their software for their user base, which of course includes us.
 Yeah, they're even incorporating OpenAI's Sora, which is one of the main video products coming from OpenAI that allows you to do cinematic quality video from text.
 That's going to be incorporated into the Adobe line coming up.
 Yeah, before you know it, Alan I are just going to be avatars.
 We'll see. We'll have lots of avatars actually the way it's going.
 Yeah, we've been turning all our friends into avatars.
 That's true. We've got quite a few friends that are now avatars that will be in our movies.
 It's a re-gearing up to make more movies.
 Yeah, at our own.
 The podcast is to keep you abreast of what's unfolding in other arenas here.
 If we can put out one little chapter of our comic strip a month, I'll be impressed.
 Yeah, well, it still takes work. It doesn't matter.
 Yeah, no, it takes focus attention. There's so much to it.
 There's still a lot of detail.
 The generative AI startups reach 25 billion and 23.
 Ninefold increase over 22 and 30 times over 2019.
 Do we know anybody who's scooping up that money?
 That's a lot of money.
 Generative AI.
 Well, I would say that Pika Labs probably is one.
 I would say OpenAI is scooping up a lot of money.
 Runway is scooping up money.
 They're probably hyper. They're all in the generative AI universe and they're doing really well.
 Right.
 And you said we can't get to Dali anymore, right?
 That's been scooped up into some new...
 Dali has been canceled for Dali. Three. Dali 2 is free.
 Dali 3, you have to have a $20 a month membership to OpenAI's club, the Wall Garden.
 You can't access to that at this point.
 Well, I don't know. Everybody wants $20 a month.
 Yeah, well, the subscription model.
 Oh, that's the only way the money keeps flowing, right?
 But they're not getting it.
 There's too much competition. There's too much in this arena.
 I think that what we'll see is a shakedown where companies like Adobe will get a lot of the good stuff
 and people will just get one subscription with them and not worry about it.
 Well, that's what's already happening.
 Yeah, that is going to when it's happening.
 So you got to expect these things. This is capitalism at work here.
 It's like which club is giving you the best options, the best bang for the black?
 Yeah, where are you getting the most?
 And the Adobe club for a long time because of course we've been addicted to Photoshop for our whole career.
 And it got to a point where you couldn't just pirate the old versions anymore.
 You had to cloth up your $600, $700 a year for access to their entire library.
 It just feels fair. It feels like they give you so much for the money.
 Somebody's got to pay the bills.
 That's what will be the subscribers.
 But in terms of new stuff, Bobby just sent in something called micro-lama.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, it's for the owner iPad and it's a large language model assistant that iPhone.
 Right now it's free if you download it. It's at the Apple Store.
 Smart Siri?
 Smartr. Yeah. And it's personalized and it runs locally.
 Instead of calling up the web, you don't have to be connected to the internet.
 It's not a cloud-based service. It's running locally on your phone.
 It's a local personal assistant.
 Micro-lama. Micro-lama.
 Now what's its real advantage is what I wonder.
 What will it give me that I don't have now that I would care about?
 Can it access the web for me too? Can it make phone calls?
 Can it open and close apps?
 Yes. It can answer questions.
 And it's personalized to you as a person.
 It can recognize you and what your habits are.
 Make decisions for you also.
 Yeah.
 Are you going to try it out for us, Bobby?
 I hear.
 I downloaded it last night.
 I haven't even tried it out, but it's on my iPad.
 Okay.
 After running the week.
 Maybe next week.
 Micro-lama. Here we come.
 There was a very interesting piece this week on decrypt.com
 about how music fans are not really going to care
 if the music they're listening to is made by AI or not.
 Yeah, the author is not really people's concern.
 They themselves are artists.
 Like how many people really care about the musicians
 as opposed to just joining the song?
 I think a lot of people, it really depends on your relationship
 as an artist to the artist.
 And do you pay attention to the person because you love them?
 Do you pay attention to them because you emulate them?
 Or are they just part of your background noise
 and you're just letting it flow but not caring about the details?
 Yeah, I think it depends on who you are.
 Yeah.
 Some people really are big into musicians.
 Yeah, right.
 Most art.
 Yeah.
 It's kind of like when you reach a point where you can get songs
 based on what you want to hear about, that's when you care about.
 It's more about what the song is about and whether or not it's a tune
 that you can relate to.
 I would think Spotify would get onto this AI thing.
 They have their personalized channels that like radar release
 or mix of the week or what on their channels.
 And you start inputting the songs you like and then it pulls up songs similar.
 But I think when they...
 They'll know what you've been talking about in the last week
 and bring up songs based on that.
 Yeah, I know, I was thinking that too, that each topic that we discuss
 could have a new song about it before we talk about it.
 That's right.
 That's given live with the AI.
 Yeah.
 No accounting for taste or quality but trusting the source.
 If it's got to be good though, it's got to reach a point of quality
 where you don't mind.
 But I tried one, I got four different songs and none of them I like.
 Right, none of them.
 Let's give you an example of ones I hate.
 Here we go.
 The prompt was a song about creating a better future
 by surfing the latest insights and tech and consciousness.
 They spark therefore all to see.
 The breakthroughs in tech, the insights that stretch,
 the knowledge we find, their yours, their mind
 and growth can come to everyone.
 There you go.
 No.
 Would I actually play that for the show?
 I just did.
 Oh yes.
 Yeah, I guess you would.
 The same prompt then created this.
 They spark therefore all to see.
 The breakthroughs in tech.
 The insights that stretch, the knowledge we find.
 See how different that is?
 The first one?
 Yeah.
 One more sample here.
 That's better than that.
 That's better than that.
 Drives and leaves, futuristic minds.
 I think we're evolving.
 Fast and chase the now.
 Good luck with that.
 Yeah.
 So there you have it.
 But the idea that we could have a song for every story that we cover
 is compelling on and with a little bit of maybe advanced prep
 we can create a good song for each story number.
 And visuals too.
 Yeah, and visuals too, right?
 Let's go full visual.
 Yeah, I think that's going to happen very shortly.
 We're gearing up the visual elements for our show here now.
 That's going to be a lot of fun.
 Tesla is dumping their affordable car.
 You heard about that?
 Yeah.
 The $25,000 electric car?
 Oh, yeah.
 I talked about that a little bit in the last few weeks.
 Yeah, yeah.
 That's going to be good.
 There's a lot of Chinese competition about to hit.
 And so Tesla is pivoting on that and going away from a cheap electric car
 to a robo-taxi plan.
 Oh, really?
 So their cheap cars are going to be the fleet.
 No, they're not making cheap cars.
 They're letting the Chinese do that.
 Oh, OK.
 And they're going to stick with their more expensive cars and they're going to probably have full
 self-driving capabilities to do robo-taxis with them.
 Oh, I see.
 Yeah, but this has been a plan for having affordable mass market car from Tesla not going to happen.
 OK.
 At least, and at least initially.
 If you didn't already get yours, it's too late.
 It's a dramatic U-turn.
 OK.
 And I promise to have an electric car accessible to everyone.
 It's thinking, if BYD can produce a $10,000 car, they can't compete with that.
 No.
 Put a brain in your car and it decides to make money while you sleep by being a dual-purpose car
 and a robo-taxi at night.
 And then what would you buy?
 Would you buy a $35,000 car with a brain that makes you money or would you buy a cheap car?
 You could use the expensive Tesla to make money for you as it grows around and does deliveries.
 Maybe you have a robot on board that also does DoorDash, you know, and you'd have a cheap car and you'd actually drive yourself.
 Yeah.
 Something like that.
 The full self-driving is really one of the big issues right now.
 You can either wake up and suddenly have an extra $1,000 in your bank account or you can find out you're being sued for driving somebody over a cliff.
 You never know what the software is.
 It still has some bugs in it that need to be worked out before we have full self-driving that we can just count on.
 And there's a lot of stories about accidents still happening with the full self-driving that's being concerned, that are a bit concerning to me.
 Right now, I think it's probably safer to be in one of these self-driving cars at the present state than having your wife drive you around.
 Yeah, you think, would you trust yourself in a self-driving car at this point?
 Well, in about a year, I think I would.
 At about a year.
 Okay.
 All right.
 Well, I can see that.
 I'm going to go to home here and I thought this was interesting because this is a story about geoengineering.
 Now, we have heard about chemtrails in the sky and all that and how that's kind of bull because mostly it's just atmospheric changes in temperature.
 But what I found quite interesting this week was an article in Scientific American talking about geoengineering in the Bay Area.
 Yeah.
 So, in the Bay Area, geoengineering test quietly launches salt crystals into atmosphere.
 Cool.
 Right?
 That means that it's actually happening.
 Oh, so this is a stealth report here.
 It's a Scientific American.
 Yeah, it's quietly launches.
 They say a solar geoengineering experiment in San Francisco could lead to brighter clouds that reflect sunlight.
 Brighter clouds that reflect sunlight.
 As they say, what could go wrong?
 Well, it's a little scary, huh?
 The Carrizo plucked.
 It reminded me when I went to a Zion, well, Utah.
 Yeah.
 I could see chemtrails, a checkerboard in the sky.
 There's so many.
 Then when I was a week, I saw the same thing.
 It was crisscrossing the sky.
 These long, long, 10, 15, 20-mile long chemtrails.
 Oh, yeah, they did.
 Well, how many of those are these experiments?
 From what I can see, the experiments that they're talking about here are specifically over
 the Bay Area.
 You should see them where you are in San Francisco there, Bobby, I would think.
 They would consist of having more reflective clouds.
 You should be able to tell by the way in which the clouds look to give this.
 It doesn't sound like it's chemtrails from planes.
 It sounds like more.
 It's a cloud cover that they're throwing salt into.
 That's it.
 The idea is that you have these specially built sprayers that shoot trillions of sea salt
 particles into the sky.
 Why?
 To increase the density of the marine clouds, the reflective capacity.
 Apparently, it's taking place atop the USS Hornet Sea Air and Space Museum in Alameda.
 It will run it through the end of May.
 According to a weather modification form that the team filed with federal regulators.
 Why are they doing this?
 Well, the ostensible reason is that there are yearly temperature records that are just over
 the top and that there's growing interest in solar radiation and modification from Silicon
 Valley funders and some on environmental groups.
 This experiment follows the termination of a Harvard experiment last month where they
 plan to inject reflective aerosols into the stratosphere and you're Sweden.
 But that had to be canceled because of opposition from indigenous groups in Sweden.
 Cloud brightening could alter the weather patterns and it might do something that it's
 unexpected.
 Right.
 And it's not addressing the main cause of climate change which is still considered to be the
 use of fossil fuels.
 What would happen if, say, you were doing these cloud seeding and it was getting cooler and
 then suddenly you lose your budget for your cloud seeding project and that could cause
 a catastrophic spike in global temperatures if the geoengineering activities were discontinued.
 Then greenhouse gases would go up and then, "Mala, another Venus."
 No.
 Does something about this article strike you as cray-cray?
 Ooh.
 No.
 Really?
 No, I think it's mostly real.
 I think it doesn't get into what you and Bobby were referring to as chemtrails.
 That's a-
 I was not referring to chemtrails today at all.
 Why do you consider this Scientific American article in geoengineering to be cray-cray?
 Is this future?
 Well, for one thing, it's very difficult for me to tell if this is disclosing something
 that already happened or if it is telling us that there's a secret that has to be revealed.
 And I can't really tell from this article whether it's a news report or alarmist or- and I'm
 not really sure how concerned we're supposed to be.
 I think the last paragraph sums it up for the writer where he says, "History has shown
 us that when we insert ourselves into modification of nature, there are always very serious
 unintended consequences."
 Okay.
 So the writer is very concerned about this program.
 Yeah.
 The main point of this article is that this program has been going on.
 It hasn't been on radar.
 It hasn't been on radar.
 All through May.
 It's happening through May and is now with this article entering a period of public awareness.
 Starting to, yes, there's still a lot of secrecy around it.
 The New York Times is one of the few newspapers that were granted exclusive access to covering
 the initial firing of the spray cannons.
 And that it's a contentious issue and it's going to get a lot of critics going and they
 want to not have to deal with that in order to try this experiment.
 So especially in someplace like San Francisco, where in terms of the environmental concerns
 of the Bay Area population, we probably have a few million people and a few 10 million opinions
 about it.
 Yeah.
 And it's unlikely to get approved if they weren't being secreted.
 Yeah.
 If they're using a deliberative decision making process, then basically what our California
 assembly likes to do is just have secret meetings and approve the money and pay the people who
 go to the secret meetings.
 And then if the public finds out, figure out somebody to blame if something goes wrong.
 But instead, what we're looking at here is some kind of journalist trying to say, "Well,
 the cat's out of the bag.
 It's happening in Alameda.
 And if we find out who's doing it, there might be an uproar."
 That's kind of what this article's saying.
 Well, they're saying who does it.
 The University of Washington is involved.
 The Silver Lightning, a geoengineering research advocacy group is involved.
 However, they did decline interview requests.
 And the mayor of Alameda declined interview requests.
 Right.
 Right.
 So all of these people are getting paid by some backdoor mechanism and they don't have
 to tell any public scrutiny what the story is.
 No, because there's too much contention.
 It'll never happen.
 Yeah, salting the clouds.
 I mean, who wants salt in the clouds, right?
 Direct sunshine is what I want.
 You want more sunshine, let us clouds over San Francisco, right?
 Yeah.
 However, that's not supposed to be so good for the global temperature though, you know?
 You're supposed to have more reflection.
 Oh, man.
 Anyway, it's a crazy story.
 But I thought it was interesting that it was in Scientific American.
 It was republished by Scientific American from E&E News, which is owned by Politico.
 Okay.
 And E&E News usually provides energy and environmental information.
 So I thought that was interesting.
 And the editors note on this was that their partners at Climate Wire have edited this
 article after posting to clarify that neither Sushi Talati, one of the interviewers, they
 did, nor the Alliance for Just Deliberation on Solar Geon, geoengineering is involved in
 describing this project.
 Yes.
 So, so what I'm saying, like, it's really hard to know who is putting this information out
 and whether they're pro or anti or whether they're just trying to start some memes so
 that they can control some future narrative.
 Well, let's see here.
 Let's see.
 Sushi.
 Sushi Talati, the executive director of the Alliance for Just Deliberation on Solar Engineering,
 says, quote, "Since this experiment was kept under wraps until the test started, we are
 eager to see how public engagement is being planned and who will be involved?
 Eager, huh?"
 Yeah.
 So this is like a polite way of saying, they tried to pull this one off and we found out
 about it and we're waiting to see what they're going to tell us now that the public is aware
 of it.
 Well, yeah.
 Look, like, you know, if you do this experiment and you get good results, then you can have
 a nice rebuttal to people who want to stop you.
 Does it remind you of that Star Trek episode of the binaries where, well, how come you didn't
 just ask us?
 Because you might have said, "No."
 That's right.
 That's right.
 Well, people will definitely say no about geoengineering.
 Are you kidding?
 Well, that's why we need a new process and I want to just do hats off to Jim Ruff here.
 Instead of choice making and closed room doors with decision makers, we need choice creation
 so that we, the people, are part of the conversation.
 And not just for that.
 Yeah, I think the issue is that the squeakiest wheel ends up stopping the whole machine.
 That's what they're worried about.
 And so instead, they're going to have the sneakiest wheel controlling the whole outcome.
 Yeah, it's kind of a national security thing, you know?
 Quiz, squeak or sneeze?
 Or should I say planetary health?
 I think you can make a case either way and the reality is we need a better decision-making
 process.
 Yeah.
 I know that I am literally, I have become a blind optimist because I've just had my
 head spun so many times.
 I just don't know who to believe anymore.
 But I really do feel intuitively that the future is so bright.
 We got to wear shades and we've got to get through these next few years of chaos and
 silos of misinformation and some people putting two feet forward and some people putting 10
 feet back, you know?
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something else.
 The some effort of human creativity for the future which is arriving is on the whole amazing.
 It's beyond anything that we could have planned and I'm really looking forward to it.
 All right, me too.
 One of the big problems that NASA's been dealing with lately is budget cuts.
 And one of the big things that it looks like is going to be cut is there plans to retrieve
 the Mars samples that the Perseverance rover.
 How much did they want to spend on collecting that bag of rocks?
 Well, the figure is that the Perseverance rover has gone along and collected a bunch
 of rocks and made little rock piles that should be sent back to Earth for analysis.
 Yeah, that was always a plan, right?
 But then again, how do you get them back to the Earth?
 Do you send a rocket down and pick up their little rock piles and like the robot, put them
 in this rocket and take them back to Earth?
 That's the big question.
 How do you do it?
 I mean, we barely can get rockets off of Earth.
 How are we supposed to get them off of Mars?
 Yeah, NASA figures that they can build a rockets that can basically do this kind of
 rock delivery system.
 But to deliver a few rocks from Mars would cost us the taxpayers about $11 billion.
 Oh, and that's a lot of jobs for $11 billion.
 And $11 billion.
 A robot to collect rocks on Mars.
 A rock collector.
 And send it back to Earth.
 Well, I guess $11 billion for a rock collector and a rocket from Mars back to Earth.
 Well, it's probably the rock collector.
 It's probably normal.
 That's about how much they like to spend.
 But we wouldn't get any until 2040.
 So what is it?
 It's like a half a billion a year between now and then?
 Like that 2040, $11 billion.
 And is that money going to people or is it going to robots?
 Well, whatever it is, it's been canceled.
 It's pretty much canceled.
 Oh, OK.
 So the original design.
 It's no longer the rock recovery project.
 So NASA is putting it out to the public.
 How should we get the rocks back more cheaply?
 I say ask Elon.
 Yeah.
 Yes.
 Yeah, you agree, Bobby?
 He should have a base up there by that time, you know, like 2040.
 I mean, he's saying he's going to get out of here before 2030.
 He's going to get the big BFRs.
 The starships are going to be on their way.
 Well, keep in mind--
 Every two years, more cycle, he's going
 to try and get a new mission off.
 Keep in mind, Elon said we'd have robo-taxis by 2020.
 Also, so it's time-wise.
 Well, if the world wanted robo-taxis, we'd have them.
 But there's a lot of competition.
 That's a very disruptive thing to do.
 When the world figures out that they can benefit from robo-taxis,
 we know the technology is just about there.
 But I would agree with you.
 I think that Elon could probably get him back before 2040.
 And he could probably spend however many billions of dollars
 more efficiently.
 Yeah.
 So you say that NASA should give Elon some money
 to just collect the rocks and send him back--
 At least get a--
 Star ship.
 --quest for proposal from him.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, I guess SpaceX is in a good position
 to do a FedEx delivery system for Mars.
 Yeah, NASA is really a good customer.
 They can--
 Yeah, they're a good person to get a contract from.
 At least you hope so, although Congress
 can cancel their budget any time.
 So it's probably better than just giving them the money
 directly and letting them smoke it away.
 Yeah, well, $11 billion safely collect land
 and collect the samples, launch them back here,
 only 33 million mile ride back to Earth, deliver them here.
 Yeah, they need to think outside of the box.
 And I guess SpaceX is thinking outside of the box there.
 Yeah, well, partnerships.
 It's all about the private public partnership.
 We know that the public has no trouble making money
 and giving it to whoever they want.
 And we know that the private enterprises
 have to do things within budget to get more money.
 Otherwise, they lose their credibility.
 That government doesn't have that problem.
 They just make more money.
 Yeah.
 They lose credibility all the time.
 And they're like, yeah, that's part of doing business.
 We'll just ask for more money.
 Yeah, well, it looks like less budget is here.
 So that probably makes the most sense.
 Elio, their possibility is to hire some aliens
 to bring it back in one of the spaceships,
 or maybe the super secret space program
 with their anti-gravity machines.
 They could get it for us.
 What currency are they using?
 Not tell us or make it--
 do you agree not to say that they did it?
 Do they need some abundant con?
 How are we supposed to pay the aliens?
 I don't even go there.
 The aliens forget it.
 That was a joke.
 I'm talking about the deep space program,
 the super secret space program that we supposedly have
 since 1950s because of gravity research going black
 and has been black ever since.
 [MUSIC PLAYING]
 Who told you about the secret space program?
 Oh, everybody's told me about it.
 Everybody?
 Remember Laura Eisenhower?
 She was a big member of that whole thing.
 We saw her at the New Living Expo.
 She'll probably be there next week.
 Right.
 Oh, yes.
 So New Living Expo next week, Danny Sheen.
 Danny Sheen is talking about it.
 He's been talking about it.
 He personally saw information on crash retrieval.
 There's a lot of updates from Danny
 about what's going on with getting Congress
 to disclose the alien information that they have.
 That's right.
 Yeah.
 And that'll be a good reason to go to the New Living Expo next
 week.
 Yeah.
 And the whole idea of moving the whole alien question
 from an issue of national security
 and dealing with military and intelligence
 to moving it into the academic sector,
 where people can actually communicate
 and understand things a little bit more in depth,
 rather than keeping it under wraps.
 Though I understand the military has been
 trying to reverse engineer.
 I feel this is the Bob Lazar and all that,
 but it's still kept under wraps.
 And as a result, it moves at a speed
 that we don't know about.
 Yeah.
 Just a little plug for the New Living Expo.
 It is April 19th to the 21st.
 And it is going to be at the Marin Center in Sanderfeld again.
 So if you're interested in the usual suspects who
 are telling you about the way to meet the aliens
 and the way to ascend and the way to have perfect health
 and create your light body, all that stuff,
 New Living Expo next week.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 Are you going to be there?
 Are you going to be there Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
 and we don't know yet.
 We're playing it by ear.
 We don't know.
 This is some of the latest exoplanet sonification data
 from the James Webb Telescope.
 There's amazing imagery that will go with this.
 Or our visual show, you'll be able to see that.
 But here, this is a scan of data
 sonified of the birthing sector of the galaxy,
 where the stars are being born.
 And the sounds you hear are each one
 with a sound of a star.
 And it's scanning a large photograph of the sky
 going from left to right.
 If you're listening on stereo, you should be able to hear them.
 And each of those sounds is a separate star.
 It's the James Webb Telescope of the Carina Nebula.
 This is the southern ring nebula left to right.
 Strings are stars.
 Yeah, the things that sound like some is plucking on a--
 Yeah.
 What it's trying to do is looking at infrared light.
 And now this is one of a near infrared light,
 looking at the southern ring nebula.
 It looks a little like the red spot on Jupiter.
 Very visual-y.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 The deep and thunderous noise.
 It is the space fog.
 Now this is data.
 You hear the drip of water?
 Like that.
 That's when it detects water in the atmosphere
 of an exoplanet called WASP 96.
 Those are different chemicals that are discovering
 in the atmosphere by the sound.
 Wave lace of light.
 There you go.
 It's space sonification.
 Yes, a new way of looking at data
 through the James Webb Telescope at exoplanets
 and enabulas and in space.
 I love hearing space sonification.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 They've been doing some nice work with it.
 Because you could assign any sound
 you like to the various things that are being measured.
 In the case of what we've just been listening to,
 some of the pitches are associated with colors.
 And the colors, of course, are different frequencies
 of light that are being interpreted
 by the infrared telescope spectrum analysis.
 And of course, some of the other sounds,
 when it sounded like a string being plucked,
 that was a record of how bright something was.
 So the luminosity of these stars is being presented as loudness.
 [LAUGHTER]
 Yeah.
 Well, James Webb Telescope has discovered
 the cause of the most powerful cosmic explosion
 since the Big Bang.
 OK.
 There was an explosion nicknamed the boat, which
 stands for brightest of all time.
 I was a gamma ray buster.
 Now, gamma ray bursters are nasty little things, GRBs.
 They can spit photons at Earth with more energy
 than the large Hadron Collider can do.
 A gamma ray buster, if it hits a planet directly,
 can literally turn it into a cinder.
 Wow.
 Yeah, from across the galaxy.
 It's very, very powerful stuff.
 We've been looking at one that was detected
 by our orbiting telescopes and on the ground last October 9,
 22, from 2.4 billion light years away in the constellation
 Saguita.
 Now, a team of scientists have tracked its origins
 to a gigantic supernova.
 Like, how did it happen?
 What?
 Where was that gamma ray burster from again?
 It was from the constellation Saguita, S-A-G-I-T-T-A.
 2.4 billion light years away.
 Thank goodness it's a long ways away.
 And a giant supernova that came after the collapse
 of a giant star.
 And we just happen to catch it, because this thing doesn't
 last forever in space, right?
 It's kind of like a flash.
 Relatively quickly, yes.
 But there's a new mystery that's come out of it.
 We've always thought that, well, supernovas
 are where we get heavy elements from.
 Like, anything heavier than iron cannot be formed
 from the pressures on Earth.
 That we need something like the pressures that exist inside,
 stars blowing up in order to create anything
 heavier than iron, like platinum and gold and lead.
 All these elements came from supernova explosions.
 Right.
 To force those molecules together, huh?
 Yeah.
 So naturally, the scientists were looking at this biggest
 of all time explosion.
 They wanted to see, well, what kind of heavy elements
 were spinning out of that, like platinum and gold?
 But they were looking at it.
 Nothing.
 Nothing.
 No evidence of anything like platinum or gold or lead.
 I see.
 So there's all kinds of energy, but no chemistry signatures?
 Yeah, the gamma ray burst, it was generated
 by the collapse of a massive star like supernovas.
 They were looking for these heaviest elements that are formed
 there.
 They wanted to watch them form to see
 how heavy elements are formed in a supernova.
 But they did not see any signatures of any elements
 suggesting that these super energetic gamma ray
 bursters don't produce any elements.
 And why?
 Because they somehow burned them all up really fast.
 They're not--
 Maybe their theory of formation is wrong.
 Yeah.
 The way they manifest has more to do with harmony
 than it has to do with explosive forces.
 The gamma ray bursters don't produce heavy elements.
 It's another piece of the mystery
 about our continuing attempt to understand
 how heavy elements are formed, especially supernova.
 And the memorable words of our friend, Paul Gautel,
 who really knows.
 Who really does know?
 All right, well, we got about a minute
 till we're heading for a break.
 OK.
 Oh, since we're talking about that, I'm going to say that we've
 also seen a dead star come back to life.
 Oh, really?
 Scientists were established witness
 of dead neutron, this is the star, which
 is powerful magnetic fields around it,
 suddenly spring back to life, which
 hasn't been seen before.
 They're called magnet stars.
 Yeah, that's OK.
 Came back from the dead.
 8,000 light years away.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 And we will have all these stories and more at drfutureshow.com/links.
 You can check them out in more detail.
 But these are some of the things that caught on life
 for this week.
 There's still evidence available.
 Extreme dead star springing to life.
 All right.
 Unexpectedly.
 And we'll be back after some news, local, and now--
 Yeah, we'll be talking to Dave Welch.
 And good luck.
 Future now.
 Here we go.
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 OK.
 Welcome back to Future Now with Mrs. Future and myself,
 and Bobby Wilder in San Francisco.
 Bobby there.
 Yeah.
 All right.
 Good deal on this beautiful sunny day in the Bay Area.
 And just a little bit further south from us,
 you have David Welch on the line.
 David, welcome to the show.
 AKA Nordic Dave.
 Nordic Dave, who you guys made.
 He was heard from other shows on Santa Cruz Voice.
 I believe you're doing a show all about China with Michael
 Wilson.
 Well, second to your show, of course,
 it's one of the most popular shows on the station.
 China Now with Thursdays from three to five.
 Yep.
 China Now we talk about how China is impacting the United
 States and the global economy and just overall global ecosystem.
 And it's fascinating.
 There's so much news about China that's just not
 reported in the United States that have a direct bearing
 on our way of life.
 Fascinating Dave.
 Well, I definitely want to get a little bit into that with you
 after your big story today.
 For those who don't know, Dave, he's a private pilot.
 And he flew his own plane to see the eclipse last week.
 We wanted to hear a little bit some of the juicy details of that.
 How did that come across?
 Did you decide in advance you were going to do this?
 And if so, take a lot of prep or what?
 Well, I have to wind the clock back away.
 So it started when I was about seven years old.
 Seven?
 OK.
 And I'm a planner.
 Yeah, I guess so.
 I'll say.
 You're thinking of the 2024 eclipse and across the US,
 uh-huh.
 Yeah.
 I'm up in Northern Minnesota.
 There's a partial eclipse.
 And so all the kids in the grade school were outside.
 And we're making pinhole cameras, watching the moon go over
 the sun.
 Of course, for us, it's only part way,
 because it was a partial eclipse.
 And that fascinated me.
 I thought, wow, I'd like to see a total eclipse sometime.
 So I ran to the library.
 We had a library in our school.
 Yeah.
 And I ran to the library, and I got it all.
 And it said the next total eclipse of the sun in the United
 States was going to be 2017 up in Oregon.
 Oh.
 And I'm like seven in Northern Minnesota.
 And it's like, yeah.
 Wow.
 I'm not going to make that.
 Yeah.
 That's kind of how people feel now about the next one in 2045.
 It's like a half a lifetime away.
 Geez.
 I can't worry about that.
 We have to travel to Africa or something.
 Yeah.
 So 2017, and you were nine years old back in the '80s or something?
 Yeah.
 I was earlier back in the '70s.
 '70s?
 OK.
 Early '70s.
 Yeah.
 So I'm looking at-- oh, well, there's a 2024.
 There's one that cuts through the Midwest through Ohio.
 I said, I can get to Ohio.
 That probably is an adult.
 From Minneapolis.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Exactly.
 And so I fulfilled a promise to my seven-year-old self-doubt.
 I was going to go see a total eclipse in 2024.
 I just saw it in Texas instead of Ohio.
 That is so cool, Dave.
 I love that story.
 So you had a chance to plan for this a little bit.
 Yeah.
 What kind of things went into the plan?
 Yeah.
 I mean, besides just putting it on your calendar.
 When did you decide to fly?
 Well, I thought everything was super expensive.
 To fly it anywhere in the zone of totality.
 Hotels were crazy expensive.
 Everything was overpriced.
 Sure.
 Yeah.
 Remember that.
 There were--
 People were really--
 People were cashing in on it.
 --cashing on this one.
 Yeah.
 Huge, right?
 Yeah.
 So I thought, you know what?
 I can fly on my own plane.
 And I like flying out across the United States.
 And in those multi-segment cross-country trips
 are a lot of fun.
 You meet tons of people.
 I equate it to--
 not everybody's going to have this frame of reference.
 But I equate it to driving across the country
 in the '60s or the '70s.
 Oh, how cool.
 So you've done this before?
 You've had a map.
 And you had to--
 the car probably needed to be serviced along the way.
 Yeah.
 You had to just do a lot more planning.
 Yeah, I did a '70s cross-country.
 I totally got it.
 I think it might be akin to now people
 with electric vehicles.
 We did a cross-country last year, too.
 Yeah, electric vehicles.
 Right, you have to stop.
 Well, so you have to plan, I guess,
 and when you're flying private, you
 have to think about all the little airports that
 might be available to you and gas.
 Yeah, well, that's kind of the good part.
 I didn't realize this until I got my license.
 I didn't really internalize it.
 There are 3,500 airports in the United States.
 3,500.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 You know, and we tend to think about SFO and SJC
 and Monterey, Camarly, and the big airports.
 But my goodness, there are lots and lots of airports.
 And a lot of them are right up next to where you want to go,
 which is really cool.
 Did they tell you what services they have
 at these little airports?
 Like if they have rental cars or--
 So there's actually a national index
 that's maintained by a couple of different services,
 and also including the FAA.
 I think we've got a directory of all the airports.
 The services are offered, the fuel that's offered,
 the cost and fees for flying in and tying down.
 All of that is published.
 So you can make them decisions.
 And sometimes, you know, one airport's a lot cheaper
 than another and it's close by.
 And so that's kind of part of the trip planning.
 No, were they really busy because of the eclipse as well,
 with a lot of private pilots trying to do this?
 Yes.
 Yes.
 There's a service called flightaware.com.
 And it actually shows all the traffic in the United States.
 You can track specific airplanes by their tail number,
 the number you see on the back, which
 is like N1234.
 Even the airliners have an N number.
 It's just printed pretty small.
 So they kind of know where you are in real time, right?
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 And so they published a picture of all of the planes
 in the air during the eclipse.
 Yeah.
 And did Scott Manley play that in your show?
 Scott Manley, I think, had a clip of that.
 Yeah, that would look phenomenal.
 We saw a eclipse map of the United States
 with sort of a dot, a moving gauge of all of the planes that
 went up during the eclipse.
 It was quite amazing to see the whole country and all the flights
 and how the outline of totality was outlined by flights.
 By airplanes.
 Exactly.
 It was so funny, isn't it?
 Yeah.
 This is future.
 Yeah.
 It was surprising how many planes were in the air.
 So I flew into--
 I flew down to my flight path here,
 which is I flew from Watsonville to pass a robles.
 Yeah.
 And we had lunch.
 And I passed a robles over to Kingman, Arizona,
 where we spent the night.
 Kingman.
 And Kingman, by the way, used to be a B-17 target shooting
 base.
 So they trained the waste and tail gunners from the B-17s
 that they tow targets.
 And these guys would learn how to shoot moving targets.
 So it was actually an aerial gunnery school.
 Wow.
 That's amazing.
 For the Second World War.
 So they still have a good runway then.
 They do.
 It's all day all runway.
 It's great.
 Wow.
 And they have the original World War II control tower there
 that's used for ceremonies and things.
 Because it's a stetaph airport.
 You know, you could do a whole little guidebook, Dave.
 It's hilarious.
 Just a little sub-chapter on each place you landed.
 That's cool.
 So Kingman.
 It's fun, you know?
 Yeah.
 From there, we went on and got gas at Winslow, Arizona.
 Winslow.
 Believe me.
 The only thing Winslow, Arizona has this claim
 to fame is that Eagle song.
 Yeah, that's it.
 That was right.
 Yeah.
 Well, they certainly got a lot of fame from that.
 Wow.
 So they've got an airport, I guess.
 That's true of a person standing on the corner
 of Winslow, Arizona and one of the intersections.
 Such a fine sight to see.
 Yeah, and you were standing.
 Exactly.
 So is the airport a fine sight to see there, too?
 No.
 No.
 It was kind of a poster stamp in the middle of nowhere.
 No services around just self-service fuel tanks.
 That's all I needed was gas.
 All right.
 Was there a corner in Winslow, Arizona?
 There is.
 There is.
 It's got a bronze statue on it.
 There's a standing on the corner.
 Oh, really?
 And was it a gold mine or?
 I said, that was like--
 That was the most popular--
 that was the biggest thing that ever happened to that town.
 That was it.
 [LAUGHTER]
 At least they have a statue.
 So did anyone slow down to take a look at you?
 Yeah.
 [LAUGHTER]
 I didn't go into town this time.
 I just gassed up at the airport and got out of there.
 So are these airports-- are they all--
 they have real asphalt for their runways?
 Yeah, they do.
 In fact, it's all graded as well.
 So you've got poor, fair, or good.
 The runways are graded according to their quality.
 Oh, and so poor means potholes everywhere.
 And you'll probably dump your plane.
 And good means grass or what?
 [LAUGHTER]
 Well, kind of far from the truth.
 Fair is that it still-- it probably has a--
 it's probably a few cracks.
 And it probably needs to be sealed.
 And then good is it's probably--
 those are rocks peeling up from it or anything.
 And yeah, then there's good.
 That's just like the best it gets is good.
 Yeah.
 I'm not anywhere from-- some people recently
 sealed to a brand new runway.
 And what's your flight limit?
 Can you go 600 miles or further?
 Take a guess.
 What's-- how far do you get on a tank of gas?
 Yeah.
 So it depends if I want to go for speed or endurance.
 So I can kind of crank back the power to 60% or 55%.
 And I can go for almost seven hours.
 Wow.
 What speed are you traveling at that cruising?
 Well, for me, usually what I'm doing is I usually
 have about four and a half hours of gas.
 And I'm usually flying at about 150, 160 miles an hour.
 OK.
 So that was a pretty good guess, huh?
 600 miles of gas.
 Yeah, that was very good.
 Your intuitive pulse on everything is yours right on.
 [LAUGHTER]
 Yeah.
 You just got me this far.
 Well, you're the future.
 How much do the winds affect your gas mileage?
 Well, quite a bit.
 When we were going east to Texas, we actually had 20 to 30
 mile an hour tailwinds.
 Ooh.
 Wow.
 How taxing?
 I was cruising at 150.
 I was actually doing 180.
 Wow.
 Ground speed.
 You got some extra--
 And I've got turbochargers.
 So for every 1,000 feet you rise,
 you lose 3% of your engine power.
 Oh.
 Because you know when you guys work on a mount and top
 and you're hiking, you start huffing and puffing.
 Yeah, less air.
 Less air.
 Less air.
 And the engine has less air as it goes up also.
 Unless you have a turbo, then you're packing it with air
 and you're making it think it's at sea level.
 So you're getting full power.
 So that's how turbo works.
 It just compresses the air.
 It's a normal atmospheric pressure.
 Exactly.
 And the engine just thinks it's on a regular day
 pulling out of Watsonville, even though it's at 17,000 feet.
 Oh.
 Does it take much energy to run a turbo system like that?
 It knows it's harvesting the wasted energy of the exhaust.
 Oh, it is.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 For an aircraft, it's just incredibly efficient.
 In fact, in no wind, clear wind,
 I could do about 180 miles an hour in that aircraft.
 And if I have a tailwind that's like 20, 30, 40 miles an hour,
 I'm hauling.
 In fact, I had a flight from Bend, Oregon back here.
 And normally that's a 3 and 1/2 hour flight.
 And it took me an hour and 20 minutes.
 Oh, because of the--
 Because I had a 100 mile an hour tailwind.
 Holy moly, wow.
 Oh, what a range.
 And conversely, it would slow you down that much
 and would use more gas to go against such a wind.
 Oh, yeah.
 In which case, I would just park.
 I wouldn't even--
 You wouldn't even try it.
 I wouldn't even bother.
 I'd wait till the next morning.
 It was to gas.
 Exactly.
 Cheaper to spend the night somewhere.
 OK, so after wind's low, what was your next stop?
 We've finished our trek through Arizona and into New Mexico.
 Is stopping the Enchanted Desert somewhere?
 No, we kind of flew through.
 Oh, it's very pretty.
 Then we landed because the gas is so much cheaper in West Texas.
 Oh, it is.
 I get it when you cross over to New Mexico to Texas.
 Oil fields forever.
 And the gas is like $1.80 a gallon less than it is here in California.
 Amazing.
 Wow.
 For aviation fuel, it's full service.
 It's like, it's just great.
 I mean, it's so cheap.
 In fact, car gas was 295 to 335 a gallon.
 It was the most expensive we found.
 In Texas?
 Yeah.
 An aviation fuel no, for the uninitiated,
 is that a higher octane gas than car fuel?
 Yeah, it's actually a pure gasoline.
 It doesn't have all these crazy aromatics that car gas does.
 The car gas smells awful.
 And it goes bad in about six months, it turns to varnish.
 Aviation fuel is actually pure gas.
 And it uses a small amount of lead
 to boost up the octane to 100.
 So you can store it for three, four years, and it's still good.
 It never really decays.
 I guess they add all those aromatics
 just so people don't accidentally asphyxiate themselves.
 Yeah, pretty close.
 But it's actually for that, for automotive gases,
 to stretch the octane rating without using lead.
 Oh, I see.
 Mm.
 OK.
 And so those chemicals they put in are just really hazardous
 to people's health.
 As lead, and does that mean that people with old cars
 use aviation fuel to run them?
 Some do.
 You're not supposed to.
 You're not supposed to.
 And their airports try to be pretty strict about watching
 people take gas off field.
 But yeah, if you've got like 11 to 1 compression muscle
 car, like an LS6 Chevelle from the '60s or something,
 man, I would love that gas.
 OK, so Texas, no, you still--
 you're not going to sleep in your plane, right?
 You're going to find a place to camp or to--
 Generally, we just hotel it.
 It's surprising what part we'll do
 is we're coming up to an area like coming back, for example,
 we decided we're going to stop in Phoenix area.
 And so I came down to a lower L2, we got on the cell phone.
 And then she started going on like Priceline and stuff,
 and looking for hotels.
 And originally, I was going to go to Glendale in a good year.
 And a good year is, by the way, is where they parked the good
 year, Blimp has that airport.
 It's why they call it good year.
 Interesting.
 But then I looked on the other side of Phoenix,
 on the eastern side of Phoenix, all the hotels in Chandler
 are really cheap.
 So we decided to land in Chandler.
 And there you go.
 What's the bandwidth situation when you're flying?
 Can you pick up local Wi-Fi or what?
 Yeah, so generally, depending on the altitude,
 when I'm a little higher up, maybe like 6,000 feet above ground,
 I'm probably getting the older system like Edge.
 Sometimes I get 3G.
 Come down a little bit more, I'll get LTE.
 I've never heard of Edge.
 What is Edge?
 Well, that's an older standard for Wi-Fi.
 Wow.
 Yeah, that's 2G.
 And 5G is the worst, I guess you have to be.
 It's going below my radar.
 Yeah.
 We also have to fly below radar to get good 5G.
 Right.
 So what is the height range when you're flying to get 5G?
 You've got to be above 400 feet and below 1,000 or what?
 Probably your like, maybe 4,000 feet above the ground.
 We can get it.
 Oh, that's the upper limit, 4,000?
 No, it depends where the towers are placed.
 Like sometimes we're flying along, especially
 in like Southern California in the high desert.
 They'll put the cell towers on the top of the highest mountain
 peaks.
 Yeah.
 And just so they get stretch over a broad area.
 Yeah.
 And in that case, we can get the cell service up higher.
 It really just kind of depends where you find the towers.
 Yeah.
 So the towers are, I guess it depends on whether or not
 they're aiming for the sky as well.
 Aren't they kind of cone-shaped in their broadcast?
 Radio-s are.
 They're kind of intended more for the ground.
 But you do get pretty good cell coverage.
 We had cell coverage at 11,500 flying out.
 We'd spot it.
 We'd go for half an hour without cell.
 And we'd have 10 minutes of cell.
 We'd have to look something up real quick.
 Yeah.
 That was interesting.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 Now what's the height that you're normally flying at?
 Like what's the zone?
 What's the comfy zone?
 Oh, yeah.
 So if I'm doing a local flight like to Monterey or Salinas
 or Positis aerobles or something,
 or just over the hill to Hollister or something like that,
 I'll fly it like maybe 3,000, 3,500.
 Right.
 But generally keep it kind of low.
 It brings a lot more gas to climb than it goes to cruise.
 But the higher you climb, the thinner the air
 and the more efficiency I can get.
 So it becomes a distance game.
 Yeah.
 And height.
 Right.
 If I'm going to--
 It's worth climbing.
 Is it worth the climb worth it?
 That's what it comes down to.
 And we've got software tools now that when
 you do the trip planning, when you
 can do some of the what-ifing cruising
 at this altitude versus this altitude.
 Because you look at the winds also,
 or the winds favorable.
 Like I might down low, I might have a headwind.
 And if I go up high, I might have a tailwind.
 So in case it's worth the extra gas to go up higher.
 Yeah.
 Greg, you just ask you a question, which
 I've been wondering about myself.
 Do you have Starlink available from your--
 You can.
 I don't subscribe to it because it's
 just crazy expensive.
 Yeah, it's like 150 a month or something like that.
 Yeah.
 So for me, I just dip down.
 I can get self-service if I wait a little bit.
 But some people do-- you see a lot in the jets.
 A lot of people have got Gulf Streams or--
 Yeah.
 --cessing the CJs or something like that.
 They oftentimes have the satellite service.
 Right.
 Or the passenger liners have it too.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 OK.
 It was good to know.
 Back to the eclipse.
 Did you scope out a place in advance
 where you wanted to be for the eclipse?
 Or did you just use the weather report that morning?
 Oh, no.
 I had a place daked out.
 So I had a buddy of mine in Texas.
 It's got one of the top sessna mechanics in the country.
 Real sharp guy.
 And so I stayed over in Crescent, Texas.
 I was able to park my plane in his hangar, which was great.
 So I got to the night before he catered.
 The whole thing was great.
 Oh, by the way, the food in Texas is unbelievable,
 especially to meet.
 Uh-huh.
 Oh, yeah.
 And the barbecue is special.
 Oh, it's famous, right?
 It's unbelievable.
 Yeah.
 We're all close to the cows.
 Oh, you're very close to the cows.
 I could still have the aftertaste of some of this food
 I had when I was there.
 It's just I could just feel the texture in my mouth
 and the flavor.
 It was just that powerfully good.
 Wow.
 In Cleveland.
 Yeah.
 Which is great.
 Well, which is one place at Del Norte.
 This place is in godly, Texas, next to where we were in Crescent
 in Grandbury.
 It had the most unreal tapacos I ever had in my life.
 Oh, yeah.
 It is beef brisket tacos.
 Beef brisket.
 Oh, so the beef was its own whole gourmet school, huh?
 Exactly.
 It was great.
 And Amy, I think, had the chicken tacos that were just unbelievable.
 The meat is just a-- right, I tell you, if your carnivorous Texas is your place.
 Mm, sure.
 Yeah, they make no bones about it.
 So was the weather good for the clips where you were?
 Because I heard there's a lot of clouds across Texas.
 Well, we were concerned because the forecasts were 55% to 60% overcast.
 Yeah.
 And to me, if I didn't get a chance to actually see the corona of the sun, I'd been okay with
 that.
 I just wanted to watch it get dark.
 Uh-huh.
 Part of the adventure of it, you just got to roll with what nature gives you.
 Hey, eclipses in that way.
 You learn that when you're flying to small planes.
 You know, you go with what nature gives you.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 And we were fortunate, though, because there we were just slightly west of Fort Worth.
 It was really clear.
 Oh.
 We had a couple of wispy clouds go by during the event, but their seconds were gone.
 Wow.
 So did you have your eclipse glasses or what?
 Yeah, I had the eclipse glasses.
 I made my pinhole camera.
 I got in with a 7.
 And all these adults, it's funny.
 Everybody I'm with, adults 30 thinking of myself like I was a kid.
 I transported myself back in time.
 But all the other grown-ups who were there, they had forgotten about pinhole cameras.
 And I was like, oh, I remember that when I was in school.
 And so everybody was huddled around a couple of pinhole cameras I made.
 And that was fun.
 Yeah, I went into a local CVS.
 I asked them to take a couple of pieces of paper.
 And so they gave me a couple pieces of paper out of their printer.
 And I was able to take a toothpick and poke a little hole in one of them.
 But that's it, right?
 That's all I had.
 Super high tech.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 It worked great.
 And then I had regular glasses as well to see it.
 Well, during the actual total, you don't need to wear anything.
 I just for a few minutes.
 No, you don't.
 You could look straight at it because you're just seeing the corona, the light coming out,
 bending around the moon.
 Yeah.
 And I thought I'd get darker than it was actually.
 I mean, it got dark, okay?
 But it wasn't like it was total night.
 It was more like the darkest rain clouds you've ever seen in your life blocking the sun.
 Right.
 Or it's just really dim outside.
 Mm-hmm.
 How about the sounds?
 Were there more crickets that came out?
 Well, I was just going to get to that because that was a funny part.
 We're going to laugh out of this there as we went into totality.
 Yeah.
 The airport security lights came on where we were standing.
 And the airport beacon came on and we started hearing crickets.
 Yeah.
 And then a bat flew across the runway.
 Whoa.
 So mother nature thought, okay, man, it's nighttime.
 It's deep dusk.
 Yeah, they adapt fast.
 Man, the stars come out?
 Yeah.
 We couldn't see a lot of stars because it was dark, but it wasn't dark dark.
 So we saw, I think we saw Jupiter, you know, some of the big planets.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 How about the temperature?
 Temperature was great.
 Temperature was in the '60s.
 Did it drop during the full eclipse?
 Very much.
 Was it discernible?
 It was slightly discernible.
 It wasn't a lot.
 Mostly because I think if it were like 102, like a real Texas day, it would have been real
 discernible.
 Yeah.
 But I think being in the middle '60s, it was.
 And you could feel it cooling a little, but not a lot.
 Yeah.
 You've got to go to a commercial break.
 Can you stay for the rest of the show?
 Sure.
 Great.
 All right.
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 All right, we are back with Dave Lutch.
 Man, what a journey, Dave.
 How long did this trip to Texas and back by private plane take you?
 Oh, my arms got really tired of past pass a rubles.
 You know, flappin.
 Yeah, okay.
 I generally fly in about four hour legs, three and a half to four hour legs.
 At that point, I kind of want to get out and stretch my legs a bit.
 So you know, I plod it out and it chunks like that, but it takes about eight hours to get
 to Fort Worth from here.
 It is.
 That's so bad.
 I mean, when you're flying a sess now, like a 182, like Skye Eileen 182, like I've got,
 it's a fairly roomy plane and it carries a lot of weight.
 I can carry full fuel plus 625 pounds.
 Mm.
 All right.
 It's a family car.
 Yeah, it is.
 So it was you and Amy and your stuff?
 Stuff.
 Yeah, exactly.
 Well, it's a roomy plane.
 It's comfortable to shift around in your seat and I've got really nice seats.
 They're very comfortable, they go up and down and tilt back and say you can kind of change
 position so you're flying and I've got a all digital panel.
 So the avionics, so many people seem like the movies of airplanes.
 They've got their own gauges with the little indicators on them.
 I got rid of all those minor all digital.
 Lots of glass.
 Yeah.
 So basically I have like the equivalent of a 10 inch iPad sitting in front of me with
 all the flight information on it and all the radios are digital and the autopilot is
 digital.
 So you're not afraid of any EMFs, huh?
 No.
 Well, I got wet compass.
 Doesn't attach anything.
 So I can fly by compass if I have to.
 Oh, good.
 I'm glad you got your backup.
 I do.
 Did you use the autopilot very much and what you're flying?
 Almost the whole way.
 I mean, I use a lot.
 It just takes so much work out of flying.
 Yeah.
 The Garmin autopilot is just breathtaking in its capability in terms of holding an altitude
 and holding a course or heading.
 So do you like watch movies while you're flying or look out the window?
 Well, kind of in a way.
 I'm actually watching the much more of the screen.
 So I'm just monitoring all the systems that they're running.
 It's actually what happens in an airliner these days too.
 Things clapped on autopilot and autothrottle even on an airliner.
 And so I have what's called a TAA, a technically advanced aircraft because of all the digital
 panels and stuff in it.
 The plane is authorized to be used as a training platform if you wanted to move in to even
 higher performance aircraft.
 Wow.
 Because the systems are very similar.
 And as you move up to the airliners.
 So the plane is actually holding a heading, a course and an altitude.
 And then I'm actually just monitoring all the systems to make sure everything's running.
 Okay.
 Cool.
 So what was the most challenging thing about getting this trip together?
 Oh gosh.
 The weather.
 We're slave to the weather.
 Even a 737, a 737 can cheat a lot of weather.
 But there's even weather that it can't go into.
 And it's even less weather that I can go into.
 Was there a particular front coming up that he was concerning?
 Yeah.
 So basically you got to look for especially cumulus clouds that can develop into thunderstorms.
 Because you're winding up with down drafts of 70 knots, which is about 80.
 How fast would you drop?
 If you ran into one of those, would you suddenly lose your lunch?
 What happens?
 Oh yeah.
 That and the wings may break off from going too fast.
 So you want to stay out of those.
 And so basically you're plotting where the weather is.
 The thing that surprised me the most about getting my pilot's license was you basically
 had to be a meteorologist.
 Especially if you're going to fly across the country, across the United States.
 Because you have to know all about, in fact, the maps that you've got to be more detailed
 than the ones you see on TV about troughs and warm and cold fronts and included fronts
 and wind patterns and how weather develops and how storms develop and where they develop
 and the patterns of development they take.
 And you have to know all of that.
 Wow.
 And stay out in front of it.
 Sure.
 And I imagine as you were saying, the different altitudes have very different weather.
 So it's like keeping track of the weather times 10 or something.
 That's very true.
 And in fact, you have to look for things like icing at different altitudes.
 Depending on the moisture content to the air, ice can build up on wings and it's just not
 a good thing.
 Because once you develop any type of icing on the control surfaces or even the leading
 edge of the wings, it disrupts the air's ability to stick to the wing.
 Wow.
 And in which case you lose your ability to stay off.
 Yeah.
 Bernoulli's principle.
 This is kind of the fundamental law of how aircraft wings are designed.
 Did you have radar as well when you're playing?
 Well, kind of.
 So that's a really good question.
 I have something called airborne dependency surveillance system, made DSB.
 And it's a system that attaches to my transponder.
 So my transponder is sending out my tail number and it's sending out my location.
 And it's also through the system sending out my speed.
 So other aircraft in the area can pick that up.
 And in fact, that stuff goes on to a ground station, gets re-amalgamated and sent back
 up for all pilots to look at and benefit from.
 So in my airplane, I see weather down low, I see weather high, I see winds winds aloft,
 I see other aircraft.
 Yeah, I was going to ask you about other airplanes because when I flew a small plane,
 I had to look down, look forward, look to the right constantly.
 Like, we're always scanning for other aircraft.
 I guess you're freed up from that with the system.
 Yeah, so there's still aircraft around who don't have these systems reporting systems
 in them, but they're getting fewer and fewer.
 And most of where you're finding was when you're coming into Watsonville, for example,
 because it's not required to have them here at this airport.
 So when I'm approaching up the Sleanas Valley, coming into Watsonville, my vigilance for
 watching other aircraft is really elevated because now there's a lot of planes in this
 area that don't have that system, but you're also getting into a more confined space between
 the hills and the ocean.
 Right, right.
 So stuff's coming closer together.
 So that's where that hypervisional, so you really pays off.
 When you're kind of going across country like flying to Texas, there's this thing called
 the Big Sky principle.
 You're a little dot, the Big Sky, and it's really odd if you even almost come close to
 anybody, as you're flying across the great wide open to the United States.
 Yeah, big space.
 And typically planes who are doing that have this system in them.
 That's interesting.
 It reminds me that recently Elon Musk was talking about the population of the planet
 and whether or not we had too many people or not enough.
 And he was talking about one of the ways of gauging how close we are in population is
 how likely would it be that you would hit someone if you dropped a bowling ball off
 of an airplane?
 Well, there's some space junk that just hit us.
 Exactly.
 I was just going to mention that.
 The 10 centimeter piece of metal that fell off the International Space Station hit a house
 in Florida.
 Wow, did it put a hole in the roof?
 Yeah, it was traveling at like super-solving speed.
 Thousands, tens of thousands of miles, yeah, an hour.
 It was 10 centimeters, about four inches or something.
 Yeah, so basically you're at the space station.
 The space station is running at about 17 to 20,000 miles an hour in that orbital.
 Something like that.
 That's speedy.
 I can't fly that fast.
 Yeah.
 You'd have to if you were up as high as the space station.
 How about the noise?
 What's your ambient sound in an assistant 182?
 Yeah, so I've got noise canceling headphones.
 They work really well for really cutting down the noise.
 And when I'm at Cruise, actually the prop is cut way back.
 So you can actually take the headset off if you want to.
 And you're kind of just, awwww.
 But it's not like it's, oh my god, it's split in my head.
 It's more handleable.
 It's kind of irritating.
 But if you want to talk to Amy, do you talk by taking it off or do you talk through
 the headphones?
 They talk through the headset.
 So the plane has a digital intercom.
 Sounds pretty cool.
 It sounds pretty cool.
 The passengers.
 And then if I have to push a button, talk to the radio, then that trumps any other communication
 within the aircraft.
 Is it good quality like we're not clear?
 We use clear coms very often in professional video gigs where it sounds like you're there.
 That's like really good.
 Yeah.
 The quality is really good.
 So there's older systems that the radios and the intercoms sound scratchy.
 I learned on some of those systems.
 And then when I got to the system I've got, which is just crystal clear sound, I had
 to rent the plane a while back.
 So I was renting a plane head when these older intercoms and it's like, oh my god, I guess
 I was going to head in here after what's happening.
 That different, yeah.
 Wow.
 Get me out of here.
 Yeah.
 Speaking of sound, I wanted to mention to our audience that you are very much an audio
 file.
 You're very into building your own speakers and having good quality system.
 And this morning you were telling me about a new system that you've created that's just
 phenomenal.
 Could you tell our audience a little bit about what you've been doing with audio?
 Oh, yeah.
 In fact, my buddy, Seth, I think might be listening.
 He should call in.
 He's heard it.
 I've built my own amplifiers from scratch.
 And then I've also, which are just crystal clear sounders.
 It's an amazing bandwidth and a super low noise floor.
 So all electronics makes noise, makes background noise.
 And if you can get that to be real quiet, the lower you drop the noise floor, the more
 the micro aspects of the sound actually poke through.
 So you hear minutia in the recording that was masked by the noise level of other systems.
 So when that noise level drops, it's now revealing additional content that was in the original
 source material.
 And a great example is I had somebody over there, sitting in the couch and they're losing
 the sergeant pepper, which everybody knows, right?
 Yeah.
 It was really high quality audio recording originally too.
 It is, especially the one that was remixed by a guyles Martin as outstanding.
 And a day in the life, it's song at the end.
 I think, you know, Lennon's got the piano and he hits it in the key of F that go.
 Oh yeah.
 That final note that they build up to.
 Yeah.
 And it decays for 40 seconds.
 Yeah.
 Well, about halfway through it, you hear somebody squeaking a stool.
 And then you hear somebody going, shh.
 Really?
 And my friend was about leaped off the couch because he was like, holy crap, what was
 that?
 And I said, that's been in the recording since 1967.
 You just never heard it before because of the noise for it.
 Oh, tick your speakers to reveal it.
 Yeah.
 You've been able to create this at home and like in a home system where you have this
 quality audio.
 Yeah.
 So it's been a pursuit of mine since I was a kid actually.
 So I started really doing critical listening where you kind of meditate and you close your
 eyes and just listen to music.
 I started doing that when I was probably five.
 I really enjoyed listening to music and my parents were only 20 years older than me.
 So they're bringing home great albums.
 They're bringing home the Beatles.
 They're bringing home the Rolling Stones.
 Yeah.
 I'm on a department store.
 And so she's got these amazing albums and we were sitting listening to him as a family.
 And I'd critically listen.
 And it just developed over time as a hobby where I wanted better and better electronics
 and a better, better experience.
 And so I would grab old tube amplifiers and rebuild them.
 And I started making my own amplifiers.
 Your own amplifiers.
 And from this point I recently started getting into making speakers.
 Wow.
 The amplifier a tube amp or electrical.
 I've done both.
 So I've got solid state and the solid state one is just unbelievably quiet.
 I handpicked all the components and hand matched them all.
 It took many more hours to just pick out the parts than it did to actually put the thing
 together.
 But that's where the secret is, is in measuring all the parts and getting them to match and
 making sure they're at the extreme, proper end of their quality range.
 Hey, everybody's got a 1% error, 1%, 1% drift.
 You're measuring it to make sure that they're all consistent within the same 1% of the band.
 Hey, Bobby, have you been exploring audio files, electronics yourself?
 Yeah.
 In my electronics class in high school, I built an amplifier and it was a transistor amp.
 I built power supplies.
 And then in college, yeah, I took the file formulas and built my own speakers and tuned
 and I woofered that way.
 Yeah, so I got into it in big time.
 In college, everybody was competing with who had the best stereo system, you know, in
 the door.
 Oh, no wonder you're so interested in the microphones that we're always experimenting with.
 Yeah, Bobby's always bringing in new microphones.
 We're trying all the time, Dave.
 Nice.
 Yeah.
 Well, Bobby's got a ear.
 That's good.
 Hey, listen, I wanted to just give the phone number out for the show in case your friend
 is there or anybody else wants to call in A3-1-265-5050?
 The lines are live.
 If you feel like you got something you want to share or ask Dave a question or give us
 some advice, it's all yours.
 So this latest audio project to yours, Dave, is it complete?
 You have further designs on making it even better or what?
 I want to do some more work on a passive preamp for the volume control, but I've got
 a really great DAC at Dejola.
 So I use a Macintosh as the music server and I've got a 4TB digital library.
 And a lot of the material is audio file quality.
 It's with a call 2496 or 24192 or DSD files.
 So I've got all of that ripped onto a hard drive and it's incredibly high resolution,
 greatly exceeding the resolution of even an LP.
 Wow.
 And it's a lot quieter than an LP.
 The background is just black, no noise.
 Hey, I want to let you know we have a caller.
 I'm not sure who it is just yet.
 Seth, I guess.
 Hi, Seth.
 Hi, this is Seth calling from Hawaii.
 Hey Seth.
 Welcome to the show.
 Well, thank you.
 And I had the opportunity.
 I've known Dave for a number of years and he actually invited me down.
 I live in Oregon and we spent a few days putting that speaker system he's talking about together.
 I'm an audio file for audio file lick like David, but it was actually amazing.
 The tonal qualities and everything we're able to experience together.
 I thought we were listening to an $80,000 speaker system and you stop listening to information,
 you start listening to music and you just get transpixed by the experience, whether it's
 emotional or whatever.
 And it's just easy on the ears.
 Yeah.
 It was a fantastic experience.
 It was.
 Yeah.
 And you also bring up an interesting point about that, that $80,000.
 What is something that you're talking about, Dave?
 What are we talking about in terms of cost?
 Well, since it's all DIY, it's just the part.
 So actually, Seth actually helped me rip the birch plywood on the table saw.
 Seth cut out the holes for the speakers and the panels.
 Really?
 Yeah.
 I see.
 So now I'm taking this is all analog and you know.
 No, that's digital.
 No, it's digital, huh?
 See, I know nothing.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 And for the analog, the music's digital and it goes to a digital analog converter and
 it's an analog amp to the speakers.
 Wow.
 You don't have to spend basically the cost of a house in the Midwest to get a system
 that sounds as good commercially.
 Or call you guys.
 Yeah.
 To give you an idea, the solid state amplifier I've got, that was about $700 in parts.
 There's a version of that amp that sold commercially and it's in the multi thousands to buy it.
 Wow.
 Speakers, I think I've got $500 into the speakers in terms of all the basic parts.
 And the key is being able to balance the parts.
 There's such an incredible raft of offerings and the hardest thing about high-fives pairing
 things together so that everything matches and it's balanced with itself.
 What kinds of criteria have to match?
 Is it size?
 Is it frequency?
 Is it volume?
 Is it controllers?
 Yeah.
 What kind of things?
 There's a fundamental component of just size.
 A lot of people just want small speakers, especially the whole lives.
 They want small speakers.
 They want to think big.
 The problem is that you need surface area to push sound because you're actually moving
 air.
 And if you're listening to a chamber orchestra or a concert, those wind instruments and an
 orchestra are moving a tremendous amount of air inside the auditorium.
 And you've got to be able to move that kind of air to be able to replicate the sound.
 And so you actually need a lot of surface area on the speakers to be able to push that.
 Wow.
 And these particular speakers, I have, each woofer is 18 inches.
 So there's 227 square inches of surface area in each speaker, each woofer.
 And then I've got an eight inch full range driver.
 So I've got those two things working in sync with each other.
 And so do you feel this in your spine when you've got a beat going, you're feeling it
 as a physical thing in your body?
 Seth, maybe you can describe this.
 It's like an arm that reaches out and grabs you by the throat and pulls you into the content.
 It's just amazing how you get drawn in.
 It's a visceral experience because you feel like the instrument is right in front of you
 being played.
 Dave, I think you're going to have to start having some dance parties.
 I don't think you can keep this to yourself much longer, man.
 And I had the room acoustically treated too.
 That was also really important.
 You have a special room in your house where you experience this audio.
 Yeah, you know, we specialize in light shows.
 Yeah, that was our site of the equation.
 You can combine them.
 Yeah.
 And then Seth, you've got an amazing pair of speakers.
 What's up with you, Seth?
 What have you been doing?
 Well, for me, I didn't build it because I'm not a tech.
 I just enjoy it.
 Yeah.
 And that's why I called David engineer Dave.
 That's what he is.
 He is.
 Yeah.
 And actually, I actually understand the squiggly lines, you know?
 And so for me, it's been a journey.
 I grew up around classical and I got really into jazz and opera.
 And so there's no substitute for live performance, of course.
 So what you're attempting is to reproduce that live experience that you are there, their
 perception and feeling.
 And you're asked about it, this role.
 It's like my speakers I have are going to detail.
 You can feel it go into the lower registers.
 And then you can feel the highs and you can get an aspect of placement like, oh, there's
 Bill Evans.
 He's playing right there.
 And on the piano and so and so.
 But with Dave now, it goes to a point that it's not only this role, you just feel it.
 It's almost like it goes underneath the ground and it goes up into your body.
 And it's not because it's super loud either.
 It's not you're melting the windows or anything else.
 It's just accurate reproduction.
 It's moving the air.
 I'd be the best.
 Yeah.
 With a high level of presence, it sounds like that.
 Absolutely.
 Now, have you guys looked at what it would take to record an environment so that it sounds
 really good later with microphones?
 She says more about the recordings than I do.
 Tell about multi-track and simply mic and all that stuff.
 Yeah, it's not a lot, but it evolved so much because initially, even with the Beatles,
 I think it was just like four tracks.
 In other words, they could record and then just overlay the music on top of it.
 And then through technology, it's infinite.
 So the problem with multi-tracking is that sometimes you can lose the essence of the
 life recorded because they may record the instruments in five days and then the vocalists
 will come in and sing over it.
 Yeah.
 Kind of saying.
 Sometimes it loses a little bit.
 If you are listening for that, so the quality of the mic, you know, you go back to classical
 music, some of the recording are living stereo, which is late 50s, early 60s.
 They would just have two microphones set up for stereo and then one for mono because
 they still had mono.
 Now that you might have 40 microphones.
 Each instrument.
 Seriously, engineers have to, I feel sorry for them, they have to try to reproduce the
 ambiance, the essence, the ambiance of the room on everything.
 So I kind of like the blurs better, basically, to sum it.
 And that's what they're getting back to, just full-miking and all of that.
 Has the technology improved much in being able to improve the quality of old recordings?
 I'll let David take that one.
 Yes, there is a technology, especially some AI technology that clears out some of the
 hiss and clicks and some of the background noise that was on tape.
 Or there was an artifact of the technology itself.
 Wow.
 Like you may have hum at the lower level from, you know, a tube system that didn't have
 a proper ground or a ground loop in it.
 And so AI is pretty good about stripping that stuff out while retaining the music that was
 underneath it.
 Yeah, I was wondering what do you do, what AI are you using and how are you using it?
 Yeah, and that's what happened.
 That's why the Beatles were able to create that last song that they came up with, which
 is said will be the last one called Now and Then because it was a really crappy cassette
 demo that George Harrison and John Lennon did.
 Yeah.
 And Paul McCartney was able to, with AI, was able to scrub the live in daylight thought
 of that.
 Well, they were able to split the musical from the voice, which they could never do before
 so that they could amplify them separately.
 Yes.
 Yeah.
 And that was kind of a good example.
 Most of what we're seeing now is that especially as the old, I listen to a lot of classic rock,
 I mean, 60, 70s, 80s is kind of my thing.
 And as all these old guys are getting in their 70s and 80s, they're trying to figure
 out what their swan song is going to be, their final legacy.
 And they've been going through and remixing and they've been remixing in Pro Tools.
 And you're getting a stunning clarity.
 Yes.
 Rolling Stones, Beatles, Jethro Tal, name of few.
 Also across the Stills Nation young, they've all gone through and remixed their material
 off the original store's tapes using digital techniques instead of the old analog.
 And wow, did that just take a veil of fog off.
 Amazing.
 And then the last minute here.
 So much to tell you about.
 One other thing.
 It's so fun.
 Do you recommend any website that people want to know more about audio files today or anything
 like that?
 Is there a user group or anything that you'd recommend?
 If you want to do it yourself, there's a site called DIYaudio.com.
 DIYaudio.com.
 The community of people who put this together and there's kits available there or you can
 roll your own completely scratch.
 But a lot of engineers all help.
 Okay.
 Well, fantastic.
 Dave, appreciate your potential, Sean.
 Thanks for calling in.
 Yes, Seth.
 Great.
 Thank you.
 Thank you.
 Thank you.
 And I'll be here in 32.
 Bobby and all you future now people.
 Yeah, next time we'll talk more about your China stuff.
 What you've been tracking on that, Dave?
 We'll have you back.
 David Welch.
 Yeah.
 Thank you.
 It was Royce.
 And you can listen to them on Thursdays.
 Yes.
 Three to five.