Hey kids, what time is that?
 How about that Calypse yesterday, huh? You're calling it a Calypse? Calypse. That's pretty efficient there
 You've got dropping the E entirely, huh? What is this like a future brand or something?
 I'm glad you knew what I meant. We don't have times for the E part of the eclipse, just the clips.
 Alright, the solar eclipse for those of you who might have seen it.
 You know, I guess you could call E-clips if you watched it with your eyes and clips if you watched it on
 social media or on the internet because then you're watching a recording which is more like a eclipse.
 Yeah, well what it is, it happened yesterday.
 And Bobby, did you see any yourself? Bobby's in a really interesting location, but tell us about the eclipse first.
 No, I was on the road going south.
 Oh yeah, where are you, buddy? Yeah, you are somewhere else.
 It's called the Carizo plain.
 I guess Nair's town is Santa Margarita, so it's between Passo Robles and Buttonwillow,
 so it's between 101 and 5 and it's right in the middle and they're having a flower bloom here.
 It's a national monument, Bobby.
 It's a national monument.
 Hi Katya.
 Katya, come here and say something.
 She'll be there.
 She'll be so shy for such a beautiful woman. She's such a star.
 She is, yeah.
 So did you go down there to watch the flowers?
 Yes, we're going further down to San Diego, but in the meantime we'd stop halfway.
 So it's about four hours from San Francisco and another four hours to San Diego.
 It's right in the middle.
 A little Airbnb down there.
 Yeah, it's an Airbnb.
 It's really one of those very small sheds that you can buy, but it's a little bit bigger than that.
 And they put a bed in here and they have solar panels, they have electricity.
 Nice.
 It's completely off the grid.
 Wow, like a tiny, tiny house.
 Yeah.
 Well, so...
 There's nobody around us from miles.
 Oh really?
 You're isolated in the middle of nowhere with all these billions of flowers surrounding you.
 Beautiful.
 Yeah.
 Beautiful.
 Well, we were watching the eclipse a lot yesterday.
 We were scanning all the different channels, all the information that was coming in on the net,
 on broadcast television to see what was happening.
 I must say, it was a real unifying experience for North America, for Mexico, for those of participants.
 It was such a feel good media experience.
 You don't get those kind of experiences on the mainstream media anymore.
 You have to go to NASA TV.
 Except yesterday.
 Except yesterday.
 Well, you know, even mainstream media was in on this.
 Yes, well, they follow where they think the attention is, but they're not leading it anymore.
 No, no, but they were there.
 And they could disrupt the good feeling of everybody that was participating,
 which they usually try to do.
 Oh.
 I haven't been able to watch mainstream media for the better part of the last five years.
 I just feel so manipulated by them.
 We don't have to go there.
 Was it feel good event? It was great for us.
 We had our eclipse goggles, our eclipse glasses, so we could watch the real time
 view from Boulder Creek, which is about 30%.
 Yeah, we saw a bite out of the moon.
 Right around 11/11, it was very magical.
 Yeah, it was cool.
 And online, our friends in the east were sending us pictures.
 Thanks, Gabs, for those great shots of you with your glasses there.
 Oh, yeah.
 Gabbie, you are the best citizen journalist that was participating with us.
 Those pictures you sent us were fabulous.
 You're really good with the iPhone and the Eclipse.
 Compliments, if you're out there.
 Yeah.
 I don't know about the monkey, though.
 Yeah, that monkey.
 That was a pretty original take.
 I guess the eclipse, pretty subtle.
 Gabbie literally had a monkey on her back as she was recording the eclipse.
 It was a pretty cute monkey.
 But the eclipse shots were great.
 That was really, really awesome.
 Yeah.
 And it looked like a quarter moon you had left in Jersey.
 And I've yet to hear my mother's experience in Montreal, which was total outside.
 But we did get your sister Dawn, who we watched the eclipse with Dawn in Toronto.
 Right, yeah.
 So that was fun to take it in about an hour or two later.
 Yes, 90%.
 90% it got dark.
 It got dark.
 Yeah.
 Buffalo had a total eclipse, not that far away.
 But they had cloudy weather.
 However, Niagara Falls was a go-to point for many on both sides of the border.
 And beautiful.
 It was really wonderful watching all that wonder directed at the sky and appreciation
 for the miracle of being alive on planet Earth.
 And to continue the magic, we went across New Hampshire, Vermont, and New York.
 And then we picked up on the Canadian broadcast.
 Yeah, it went through Montreal as well.
 And Quebec, so it started in Ontario.
 There's some Niagara Falls, Ontario, and really nice coverage.
 Full eclipse and up through Montreal.
 Into Maine and into New Brunswick and the other side of Maine.
 That's where the Canadian channels really covered it well.
 And Prince Edward Island, home of Anne of Green Gables.
 Beautiful place.
 Had a full eclipse.
 And Newfoundland, finally out to Newfoundland and into the Great Northern Atlantic after that.
 Yeah, we had a nice unifying event connecting Mexico, the United States, and Canada.
 And one of the most exciting shots that I saw on the whole thing was the experience of the
 solar eclipse from the eyes of the space station astronauts.
 The ISS crew were 260 miles above the eclipse.
 And they captured some footage of the moon's shadow as it crossed from New York to Newfoundland.
 It was so cool. Part of the NASA TV live feed had interviews with the astronauts up in the
 International Space Station. And they were talking about that one of the lifetime goals for one
 of the astronauts up there was to see the full moon eclipse from the space station.
 And so that was checking off a lifetime goal for...
 I didn't get the name of the astronaut. I'm just reflecting on it now.
 But it felt so wonderful to appreciate people dedicating their life to a career in space and
 being able to have that kind of experience.
 What is really fascinating is that if you watch the eclipse from space, you see this giant black
 like cloud slowly pass over the continent. And it's a little fuzzy around the edges.
 And as it goes over cities, lights turn on in it. So it's not fully black anymore,
 but it's lit like cities as it passes them. It's a unique black blob light experience.
 Special effect, if you will, as it travels at about 2,400 kilometers per hour,
 this black shadow of the moon traveled along the Earth's surface.
 Amazing. Wow.
 Yeah. And people in it, people near it. Thanks,
 Stessa, Stessa sent some great shots from the beach here in Santa Cruz.
 There was apparently a gathering of astronomical buffs down at the ocean looking at this.
 Wherever you were, you could see it from the continental United States.
 You could see something within all 48 states and maybe even a little bit of Alaska.
 Sorry, Hawaii. You missed out on this one.
 Yeah. Wasn't the best day to be in Hawaii if you wanted to be tuned into the global event.
 At least in terms of the experience of it, that we did have some friends in Hawaii doing a
 eclipse concert. So if you want to listen to some music, the Hawaiian contingent we're happy to provide.
 Right. I like that we have a beautiful view of Kachia doing her yoga from the lobby's camera.
 Yeah, this is our front door view out into the playa here. Yeah.
 You guys came out there just for the wildflowers. It's beautiful. Yeah, this is the peak of the
 bloom right today. Yeah. So we're going to drive down to Soto Lake and apparently there's a national
 park there, national monument. And people come from all over just to see the flowers right now.
 So gorgeous. Yeah. Well, we just finished our little northern adventures. Yes.
 I think our timing was really good too because we started on the first day of spring pretty much
 on just, I mean, we started a little before that, but the flowers, the blossoming trees and the
 fields full of wildflowers that were just waking up, it was continuous for the whole journey.
 It's a beautiful time to be out appreciating nature right now. Yeah. And the hills are so green
 everywhere. It's beautiful. April is wonderful to see green hills. Sure. April flowers. Not try.
 Yes. I love it. We were just outside just before we started the show. It's almost
 a line to move everything out to the deck. I think that ahead of time. Yeah. Speaking about,
 let's give people the option of calling into the show today since we've got that all set up.
 831-265-5050. If you have some live comments, you want to... And it points on the clips that
 you might have seen. Yeah. That's a personal story. Interesting story. I just ran into,
 I think is just dead wrong and needs some public debate on it. Happy to get into that a little bit.
 It's a topic about how robots are making people feel worse about their jobs and themselves.
 Hey, nobody asked us. Nobody asked us. Study finds workers' sense of meaningfulness and autonomy
 declines with automation. That... Studies find... Yeah. So robots are, they may make companies more
 productive, but the people are feeling like their jobs have less meaning. I don't know about that.
 I think people attribute meaning to their job based on the way that they themselves feel about
 their lives. It's a subjective thing. So the people who feel like robots make their life less
 meaningful probably don't feel much meaning in their life before they attribute it to their
 robots. They're just fitting the facts to the theory. Well, you could say that, son, but for many,
 that's probably true. But how would you feel if you were a brain surgeon and you had 12 years of
 training and to get where you are in the world and then a new software upgrade on an AI robot
 can do 90% of what you used to do or you do do? Well, how would I feel? How would you feel if
 you were right with 12 years of training? Well, I am an elder now, so I'm a little bit prejudiced.
 If I was asked if I was seeking a brain surgeon, I would probably be seeking a somewhat younger
 brain surgeon whose eyes were good, who didn't develop any shakes or anything. I said those used
 to do operations tell the operation. If it was an older brain surgeon with all that experience
 that you're talking about, I would think he might be assisted by a da Vinci to be a little more
 precise and the application of his knowledge that would just be. I'm not sure I would trust
 the surgical robots without studying them a whole lot more. But I was very impressed a few years
 ago when they were using those surgical robots to do some of the first tests with things like tattoos
 and I'm sure that they've only been getting better, although I haven't really been keeping track.
 I hope that the new brain surgeon models have undue buttons on them.
 Undo your brain surgery, you're hilarious. How does that work exactly? If the machine
 makes a mistake, it should fix any. If the machine makes a mistake, that's a pretty big mistake. It
 better make the mistake before it's doing the surgery. Ideally, but sometimes it happens and
 you do need an undo. That's all I'm saying. They're smart enough to be able to do what I do. I don't
 think humans could quite do that level of brain surgery as well. Your imagination boggles my mind.
 Really. Very interesting. Just extrapolate a little. No biggie.
 Any event, this is a big issue. Industrial robots or even the new home robots make you feel
 less at ease. You feel, "Are do you embrace, hardly embrace the innovations coming towards us?"
 Well, don't you think that the advantages of the robots are going to make them popular?
 Because for one thing, a robot, I believe, can help you make money. It's not just a way of
 replacing your job. It's actually a way of earning money, for instance, autonomous fleets of cars.
 This is a new job opportunity for people who maybe used to be cab drivers. People who used to own
 their own cab would rent out the cab to other drivers and make some money while they slept.
 Now, magnify that when the whole system, when the whole fleet is autonomous,
 and a person wants to go into the field of maintaining an autonomous fleet of cabs.
 Yeah, well, maintaining is a different job than driving.
 That's right. As a lot of the people who are pro AI and pro robots, such as myself, like to point
 out, the jobs that existed in the 1950s are really different than the jobs that exist today.
 And the jobs that are going to exist 20 years from now are going to be really different than the
 jobs that exist today. Oh, yeah. Now, they always are changing. But they're saying that the adoption
 is, I guess it's up to the individual. Some people are easier adapters than others. But one of the
 things is that it will reduce human interactions and that it could diminish the use of creative
 problem solving. It could reduce the amount of learning experiences and limit your skill utilization.
 Well, I think that's a very narrow description of what the robots are going to do, because
 years ago, there were new age friends bars that were asking questions of gurus, such as Rajnish,
 and they said, Oh, oh, guru, what do we do when the robots and the computers take over all of the
 things that humans are doing now? And the very wise guru said, well, don't worry about the things
 that the robots and the computers will do because they will take over those things that they do
 better than humans. And that will free the humans up to do what only they can do. And that is the
 genuine pro human perspective of how to relate with our creations of technology during this next
 2000 years of the emerging age of Aquarius. We're going to be technological hominids on planet Earth,
 and we're going to use these skills to go into new realms that would not be accessible without
 these machines that we're inventing. Yeah, got it. Yeah. And I hate dull repetitive tasks,
 too. And I'm glad they're doing that. The way I think about it, as someone that maybe has a bit
 of male white privilege behind them, just a little, yeah, oldest of five brothers.
 That's right. You're the big brother. That's it. So you have a lot of that.
 Yeah. And the big thing personally, instead of thinking of the robot as replacing you,
 instead of thinking of that context, think of it as you having a robot that serves you,
 that is your personal assistant, your apprentice, your apprentice. Yeah, somebody that learned
 is constantly learning new stuff from you all the time and befriending you like a dog,
 like your new best friend. I think your new smart dog. Yeah. To give it orders. And it gets to learn
 how to make you happy by following your orders. Yeah. Yeah. It knows you better than any person,
 even knows you better than yourself. Even knows you better than your laptop,
 your phone. Yes. Yeah. If you allow it, it does come down to how much permission are you going to
 give these machines to record your information and keep track of it. Yeah, there's always parameters,
 but still they will know you extremely well. And they not necessarily know how to utilize that
 information. I think that's the genius of future software and AI is figuring out how to most
 effectively utilize the information about us to wrap your channel and used to call it the
 significance graph. Yeah, increasing our creative life experiences with each other. Yeah. How can we
 make it? How can it get better than this? As Master Now likes to say. And as those of us who are
 pro-human like to say, the way things get better than this is we become more human, not less human.
 And the people who are projecting that we're going to be less human because they'll be more
 machines and less people, they're actually just talking about their own future because those of us
 humans that get freed up from drudgery and things that we resent having to do but have to do because
 we are the problem solvers, we will find more ways to do yoga in the middle of a field of wildflowers
 and meditate and sing and enjoy our time. Yeah, for example, that's very good Bobby.
 Katja still doing her yoga outside in this beautiful field of yellow flowers stretching to the horizon.
 Yes, starring in our audio podcast today is Katja with her beautiful yoga.
 And our robots, you know, will be more fun. They do not talk like this anymore. Robots
 have human voices now and makes it more fun and smarter. Right. Right. Anyway, we'll keep revisiting
 this subject because there's much to be said. Yeah, if you have any other perspectives on this,
 for sure, some of you do about your sense of meaningfulness and autonomy, let us know.
 I think Apple's coming out with their new home assistant but this time when you ask it,
 what is the weather like? It knows where you are at that time and then it's going to display
 instances and it has all the sensors in your house and it can tell you that whether in one
 room or the temperature in the room or outside and instead of when you talk to Siri today,
 it's asking you, yeah, in San Francisco or in Santa Cruz today, the weather is this.
 It'll be more specific to you. And so these robots in the same way, when you talk to it,
 it knows your environment and it knows you and how to respond to you correctly and that's where
 it's going. Yeah. It knows you well. Well, actually, it seems to me that what's going on there is it
 knows itself better because right now it's a disembodied weather program and it wants to tell
 you the weather and it's got all of this data to distribute to you but it doesn't know which
 data you want because it doesn't know where you are. But in the future, you're going to give your AI
 permission to track you and when you say, hey, give me the weather report, the AI knows where you are
 as well as what the weather is. And so it's getting more privileges. Yeah. But before there was AI,
 there was these robots without a brain and all of a sudden the AIs have allowed the robots to have
 brains now. It's like the Wizard of Oz. I just needed a brain. Yeah. More so. More so. Large
 language models that have given us more information at our fingertips than ever before because we keep
 getting better at retrieving something relevant instead of just getting lost in the mire of all
 the data. Yeah, I don't want to get lost in data. Man, that's rough. But it does bring up the whole
 thing on time. In the ideal world here, we'll have more leisure economy. We'll be like Bob
 out here during the fields of flowers and all the cot you into yoga more as a normal part of our
 lives. Would you say? I mean, it's more fulfilling sitting here. Well, I think our lives are kind of
 that way. I'd say our life, even though we're basically pretty savvy technological users,
 we are very well integrated with the demands of nature and our off the grid retreat keeps us busy
 knowing how to be in tune with the seasons. We have different rules for what to do on a dark day
 than on a sunny day. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's more tuned into your biological rhythms. Yeah.
 Speaking of which, I know we have to go to a break soon. We do. It's time. Okay. Let's do that.
 I'll come back in. I wanted to talk about how the White House has told NASA to create a new
 time zone for the moon and the significance of that. Oh, cool. Can't wait. Okay. We'll be right back,
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 Hey, I'm here in those crickets. I bet those are coming from you, Bobby. Yeah, crickets. Yeah,
 there's crickets out here. I had my headphones on and I didn't realize when you said there's crickets.
 I didn't hear them because I had my headphones on. But there are. There are crickets out here.
 It's adorable. See? Real crickets. These are not technological crickets. These are real crickets.
 Hey, son, ask me the secret of comedy. Hey, what's the secret of comedy?
 Timing.
 Is there an echo in the house?
 And that old that old joke that it ties us into our next story, which is how the White House wants
 to create a new time zone for the moon. Oh, what a great idea. Yeah. A new time zone.
 But she is. We have a civilization there. Wow. We don't want to live in a time zone of some
 sort, don't you think? Yeah, gosh. So it's noon o'clock? No, it's it's noon o'clock.
 I think they have a name for it. They are calling it LTC. LTC. Lunar time coordinated.
 Recorded. Lunar time. All right. CLT sounds too much like a sandwich, though. I see. So they
 haven't quite figured it out yet. They're there. LTC. Lunar. Yeah. The president wants them to
 figure it out. Well, it's complicated. The memo from a White House wants NASA to work with the
 Department of Commerce and the Department of Defense and the Department of State and Transportation
 to plan a strategy to put the lunar time into practice by December 31, 2026.
 Okay. So we got a couple of years out. That's because we're going to have boots on the ground in
 2026 on the moon. And we have to plan. The Artemis schedule is true. Yeah. Well, yes.
 Let's assume it is. 37 countries have assigned a common principles for space exploration,
 minus China and Russia, I might add. And they probably have their own timing as part of the
 standards. Yeah. They establish a celestial time standard. Safety, accuracy,
 and consistent definition of time. Now, what makes it important is that it involves navigation,
 communications, satellites, and we pointed accurately. In terms of standards a few years ago,
 there was some satellite that went astray because one person had one set of units.
 Millimeters versus inches. That was a huge mistake. Right. And when you draw the time zones
 around the Earth as you go down different latitudes, the lines don't go straight from the North Pole
 to the South Pole. Thick jag left and right according to how people have defined their time zone.
 Yeah. It's it's not absolute. It's 135 here in California. 645 in Newfoundland.
 Yeah. It's it's. And what time on the moon? Yeah. Right. I wonder if they're going to be
 yeah. Is there going to be just one moon time or is it? I don't know. Like here we have
 time zones by the hour. There's 24 of them. Yeah. Up there will probably have time zones by the day
 because it doesn't rotate. Yeah. It'll be like one cycle of the moon early in. One time for the
 moon or she have time zones for the moon too. I think she'd correspond with the phases of the moon.
 Yeah. Well Einstein's theories of relativity dictate that time changes relative to speed
 and gravity. And since the moon is one sixth gravity and movement differences between the Earth
 time moves slightly faster there. Oh really? Yeah. So a day is shorter. You want to be accurate.
 Time flies when you're on the moon. Faster. Okay. Relatively. That's cool. So an Earth-based clock
 on the lunar surface would gain an average of 58.7 microseconds per day per birthday. Okay. So in
 a million days we'll have a second of difference. I can live with that. Well it might affect the
 evening of satellites. I'm not doing the math. It might be affecting the satellite focus,
 tracking motions of remote satellites and other parts of the solar system. Yeah like a voyager.
 I don't know. Well there'll be a lot of stuff. The Earth satellites are going to be okay
 missing that millionth of a second for a million days. You have this GPS for solar system transport
 stuff going around. So timing becomes even more important beyond the moon even. But in this case
 we're focusing on the moon and the relative difference in gravity and how that affects
 time itself. Now if you really consider that time is going to be at a different speed wherever you are.
 You know if you're on Mars or if you're on Venus or between the two there's going to be a way in
 which time travels slightly differently than where other people are. Well again back to the debate
 we were having about robots and humans. I think humans won't be able to notice that time distortion
 within our solar system for sure. And they will, that level of precision is only going to help
 the computers. It's not going to help the people. Well what affects the landing and take off of
 spacecraft throughout the solar system? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah so it's important. It's important.
 But if you look at the recent mission to try and land that satellite on the moon from intuitive
 machines. Yeah and it fell over. And it fell over. Yeah. But if you'd have the time units
 compensated for that little tiny time distortion difference that would not have helped them to land
 that. Well that wasn't the issue there. They had a rock or something. Something. But my point is that
 it was a human being who noticed that the tools weren't working properly and then a whole team of
 human beings had to come up with a creative alternative solution in time. And I don't think you could
 program any amount of precision that would be able to anticipate every possible situation and
 come up with a creative run around. That's the part that humans have to do. That's fine. That's
 fine. I don't mind doing that. But I'm still thinking that we do need to have a universal time
 that takes into account the relativistic nature of time itself. How to work with that. And I think
 the way it probably will figure it out is that time won't be so much zones as locations
 in the solar system. That's interesting. It'll be location based. Time zones. Wow. And that as you
 enter different locations in space time you adopt the speed. So you synchronize your clocks with
 that zone that you're in. So it's like every infinite center is its own unique time zone. Yeah.
 Wherever you are, that's your time zone. Pretty much different planets, asteroids, planets. Yeah.
 I think it'll probably hit in that direction. That's fun to think about. Right now there are
 bands across the earth because we live on a planet. But when you get outside of planetary thinking,
 it becomes more of a universal thing. Zones are more universal. Get a good screen grab there.
 Oh, good screen. Yeah. Thank you, Bobby. That's a great shot of Katja doing some more beautiful
 yoga with the fields. Okay, she's going to do a better one right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lunch.
 Lunch over. Oh, winner. Nice. Yeah. Thanks, Katja. Thanks, Bobby. All right. Just our little
 unity tour. So Artemis is sending crewed missions to the moon. Next year they're going to have a
 flight around the moon with four people on board. Artemis three will put humans back on the lunar
 surface in 2026. China is hoping to beat us. Now before 2030 and possibly Elon on the Starship
 be there too. I don't see why not. Yeah. Hey, let's hope everything goes well.
 So this is all unfolding as we speak. So getting this time thing straightened out is one of the
 vexing issues. I think it's really interesting. It's fun to think about time on the moon having
 its own time zone. That's a very fresh thought. Is every planet going to have their own time zone?
 Yeah. I mean, we did they call Martian days souls, right? Well, those are solar days.
 You zoom out. I would probably give Earth the equivalent of GMT is today for time zones.
 Mm hmm. It's kind of the center because it's a zone. But I think the entire
 system will have lots of zones. Yeah. What's interesting is Mars is like 24 and a half or 25
 hour days. But the moon is 28 solar Earth days for one moon day. Yes, exactly. Well, that's why I
 was saying that we probably need to base it on the cycles of moon because that we can definitely
 divide. We can divide it into eight of the important directions or we can divide it into
 27 or 28 of the individual phases of the moon. If we let the moon carry the time that we're
 already used to, imagine having one 28th of a moon then it's like every Sunday is one fourth of the
 way around something like that. Yeah. Boggies of mind. Yeah. Time. Time is all about cycles and
 precision and change over time. Maybe they should just use Greenwich Mean Time and then
 everybody's on the same clock. Well, I thought it. I do use a thing called universal time.
 Yeah, I think maybe you used to do UTC. Yeah. And that's calibrated from a
 CZM clock or something like that. Right. It's based on a ticking atom.
 Yeah. In Colorado, I think. Don't they have an atomic clock there?
 Yeah. But it's location dependent. I mean, if you're going to coordinate things on Mars,
 you want an atomic clock there. You want to be synced to the Earth. Yeah, because it's like
 57 millionths of a second off from the clock here.
 One had mentioned that it was this week that also Elon Musk had given another Mars speech.
 We're talking about other planets and he's getting a pretty good response from it.
 Yeah. Yeah. He's talking about, as part of his speech, he spoke about the booster for the Starship
 and their plan to deliver millions of tons of cargo to Mars for a self-sustaining civilization
 there. Cool. Thousands of launches. He doesn't think that's that impossible. He says, take a look
 at all the hundreds of Falcon launches that have been happening and 80% of them have all been
 involving recycled boosters. So scaling from hundreds to thousands is not a big deal in his mind.
 That SpaceX will launch about 90% of the mass sent into orbit around the planet this year.
 90% going up just on SpaceX rockets. Yeah. You could not have guessed that in this time that
 so many rockets, these Falcon, rockets, Falcon Heavy's and so many satellites, thousands of
 satellites that he's launched. You couldn't imagine this like five years ago that so many
 rockets are going up at this time. Right, right. And here it is. It's happening. So scaling it up
 another notch, it makes sense. So this reusability is going to be really important in the next Starship
 launch. And to watch that reusability factor, it's really key to making it affordable given today's
 economy. And he thinks that that Super Heavy's that will boost the Starship will be the way to go.
 In May, next month, if the landing is precise enough for the next Starship, they will try to catch
 the booster on its test flight with a chopstick like mechanism on their tower. They have a giant
 launch tower. That's the novel idea. Try to land next to the tower and then I'll catch it with
 the giant chopsticks. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So that's their next goal, huh? Yeah. Get those
 chopsticks working. Was it this article you were reading to me earlier about how their capacity
 for the what's it called the BFR? The old name for it, Starship Starship, Starship. But the production
 capacity for Starship is that they're trying to make about 19 new ones every year. And they're trying
 to catch. They haven't quite perfected catching them yet, but they have they have an inventory of
 what is it maybe 20 of them. And they're trying to get to the ability to launch them 12 times a
 year. That's kind of their goal for starters. Maybe they want to build thousands kind of like
 Teslas make lots of them. And that will allow space travel to become normalized. Right.
 Right. Right. Right. Now they're building a second launch tower to facilitate more test flights
 simultaneously. Yeah. You know, two towers of two functional towers at once. And they plan to
 have two Starship launch towers in Florida for their operational launches there. And they will
 initially be supporting the Artemis program, which is the NASA lunar landing missions coming up.
 The final Starship three vehicle, which will be the main one that'll be used right now. It's
 Starship two is that they're working on. Starship three will be 500 feet tall, about 20% larger than
 the current one. It should be able to launch star ships for the price of the original Falcon
 one rocket, which was six million dollars. Well, this only this one starts. Yeah, six million
 to launch a Starship. And that will carry 400 times the payload of that first Falcon one rocket.
 Just pretty amazing enough to send a colony to Mars, right? Millions of tons, millions of tons to
 Mars. Yes, that's where it's going. It's a Mars hotel. It's become the multi planetary species.
 Yes. And one million people is the goal. Millions of tons of stuff. So you can have settlers that
 can settle in, so to speak. That's why they're called settlers. And they'll grow things,
 and they'll build things and they'll mine things. And hopefully they'll become self-sustaining
 without destroying Mars. We are optimists after all. How about if we try to make it that we don't
 destroy any planet, including Earth, including Mars, including the moon? Indigenous materials,
 as much as possible. Yeah. Anyway, they're looking at 10 launches a day ultimately.
 Hundreds of vehicles and using the short trip trajectory window that opens up between our two
 planets every 26 months. All right. That's when it takes less time for less fuel. Because we get
 the gravity assist. Yeah. And then before long, we'll be in a position to terraform a fixer upper
 planet like Mars. We've provided, of course, that we find there's no other life there that
 we're disturbing. Yeah, we have to give the life forms their vote probably. No, but we'll put them
 in zones. Native zones. Right. Play with their own time. Right.
 So do you buy this vision of hundreds of flights like this? Well, if you do, then very nice.
 The good life.
 Tesla has dumped its affordable car plan. Did you hear about that? Well, I did see some news that
 said that Teslas were going to be more expensive in the future because they'll have $35,000 minimum
 instead of $25,000 minimum. Well, there was a rumored base price of $25, probably $35, and you
 get the options you want. And Tesla is dumping that plan as lots of Chinese competition is about
 to hit the market. So they're pivoting to a position of the cars being robo-taxis rather than
 something you own. Oh, that's interesting. That'll clear the inventory faster. I've always thought
 that would work for many years. For many years, we've talked about the ecosystem of the autonomous
 car economy where fewer people own cars. Cars show up more often for individual shared rides and
 bus rides. So the whole Lyft, Uber economy actually becomes the main way that people get around rather
 than buses. If you look at it, yeah, there are other buses. I'd rather have a taxi than a bus.
 If you look at it very pragmatically, 90% of most cars you're just sitting there most of the time.
 Most of the time, and people are paying horrendous amounts of money for the privilege of parking
 their car. And all kinds of industries are really just in the industry of taxing drivers.
 So the way that the highway patrol supports itself by setting up speed traps or the way that the
 cameras at stoplights are supporting local law enforcement through tickets that may or may not
 be justified. Yeah, all that goes away. And the idea is that only 10% of the cars that are currently
 on the road need to be there. And all those parking lots get busy, you don't have to maintain them.
 Real estate is going to have a very parking lots will go away. Adjustment. Yeah, it frees
 up a lot of space. It gives everyone cheap taxis ultimately on a global level, you know,
 initially locally, of course. The rubber taxis seem like a good idea. I think most people would
 like to do that, especially if it's affordable and cost less than their car and gives them more
 freedom. Well, imagine if everybody who's now spending say $40,000 every 10 years on a car
 could instead spend $40,000 every 10 years on five robo taxis and then earn an income from owning
 their own fleet of robo taxis. Yeah, and instead of this nastiness like poor Rosemary having to
 have her insurance doubled because of a fender bender. Yeah, you know, ridiculous stuff like that
 is not well, we know that there are a lot of financial scam industries that we individual
 consumers are being harmed by. The interest on our loans has become insane. The never ending
 inflation of food prices, the way that our local fire insurance tripled for no reason because there
 were fires like 500 miles away. There are so many people who are just insanely oriented to make
 more money without contributing any real value. And what could go wrong, ask one of our audience
 members, well, I'll tell you remember that episode of Silicon Valley, regardless of the autonomous car.
 I always had a new one. And it took him to a place he didn't want to go, which was a cargo
 container for a ship. Yeah, you got put into the ship. That's right. And he was gone for a week to
 get out of it. Yeah, what'd you go around? That comes to mind. That was pretty hilarious.
 All right, well, we're just about to head for our top of the hour break here. How about no
 shirts? No service? Now you want to have a shirt? No shirts? No shoes? Whether or not it's a party car,
 I suppose. There'll be various shared autonomous taxis too, as well as private ones. I believe
 you. I'm traveling living room. And I'll be kind of nice. The way the future's going to work is for
 everybody to imagine the one they want, call the kind of people that make it happen. We get what we
 aim for. Effort counts. Enjoy your future now. We're going to a little break and then we'll be back.
 What are we, a six pod, will you? See you shortly.
 My goodness. Many of you search all the time for stuff online, right? Yeah, using your browser.
 And quite a few you use Google. Well, Google accidentally admitted something very funny about
 its new AI search engine this week. Well, first of all, Google search rakes in a huge amount of
 money for Google. It's just springing in tons and tons of money without subscription fees. And
 Google has practically a monopolistic chokehold on the search marketplace. You mean monopolistic?
 Monopolistic? Not monopolistic.
 Monopolistic? Search a polystic?
 It's not bi-policistic. No, depends on how you search a stick it. On one hand, charging users to
 access an AI search would be a big deal. Well, you know, who came up with that little suggestion
 that charge for AI searches? The owner of X. The owner of X decided that the only
 way to control the unimpeded bot biasing that was going on on the internet was to charge for
 votes, basically. And the idea of starting to charge for the listing or the search or just the
 participation is what is driving the need to start charging a fee for these previously free
 services. Because without charging a fee for the service itself, the business model has been to
 charge for advertising and thus selling the profiles, which is what's so offensive to people now
 that they don't control their own information and that the consumer is the product rather than
 the beneficiary of the service. Well, in its current state, Google's AI integrated search.
 And you might come up with a little AI paragraph whenever you search for something,
 which is the AI's explaining to you what you're looking for. That is called a search generative
 experience or an SGE by Google, right? And it's designed to paraphrase your web results.
 Have you tried that? Yeah, I use it all the time. And I've noticed that the Google search before
 you use the generative thing is just almost exactly the same. And you say, okay, give me the generative
 version. And then it like puts the question in front of it and gives you the same answer.
 Well, you wouldn't think that would take up so much more power. But according to this
 piece in the byte, it does. They're saying that rather than just give you a nice list of clean
 links of websites, it effectively swallows the web results and spits them back out at you in a
 couple of paragraphs. And instead of charging every single one of those people who advertise
 to have their web links stack to the top, it's actually charging Google to run the AI and search
 for the best result. Well, that's one of the big points of it. It takes a tremendous amount of
 server power in order to have this AI infusion work properly. So it cuts down on the amount of
 money Google is making from advertising. And not only cuts down, it charges them instead of
 benefiting them. They don't profit on it except that they get some feedback for their AI. And if the
 AI is giving you some good information where you don't have to surf through ad-laden links,
 where does that leave Google's baseline revenue model? They got a start over.
 An AI result is way more expensive than a traditional page, both in terms of infrastructure and energy
 costs. It's so ironic, don't you think that people started out as the thing that made them
 stand out from, say, Alta Vista or Bing or any of the other search engines was the fact that
 they were really good at giving you the best of the result and bringing that to the top.
 The best, fastest. Now that they're charging to wait that information, they're giving you
 something the fastest, but it might not be the best. Well, in all fairness. Whoever just gave
 them the most money. They're not doing it yet. They're not charging yet. It's still free.
 For the AI. For the AI, right? They are charging for the ads, sponsored stuff.
 And how else can you look at this? Well, there's another company called Proplexity. You might have
 heard of that. Greg's turned us on to that. Proplexity.ai. It's an AI answer engine. And it's toying with
 the idea of allowing brands to sponsor certain follow-up search queries.
 That's called advertising. Yeah. Adwake had a big piece in that magazine.
 So is Google's subscription idea more ethically sounder than branding the concept of information?
 It sounds exactly the same. I don't really grasp what's new about charging a sponsor for an ad.
 Then just letting them pay for the cost of rephrasing it as an AI question.
 Well, I guess this answer brought to you by General Foods.
 So sort of like the NPR models where we don't take advertising. We just do really long credits
 for people who give us money. This anti-vax hit piece brought to you by Pfizer.
 So it would be a big shift for Google to use the subscription model. Disclose who's paying for it.
 And it's a tension between Google's role as a premier search engine. And it's drive to compete
 in the heated AI race. Perhaps they need to find another way to include the AI. But personally,
 I like it. I like having an interpretation right at the very start of my search list. I think that's
 really brilliant of them. And it works well for a lot of topics. I asked Google to explain to me
 the redshift, for example. And it did a very nice explanation in a paragraph. Which is,
 I really appreciate it. Just explain it to me about its value in the cosmic scheme of things,
 about how the universe is expanding, and the amount of redness is dependent on how fast it's
 expanding, and stuff like that. It really explained it pretty well. So I hope they continue to have
 it for free. Yeah. Well, it's going to be very interesting to see how the future of our vast pools
 of data sort themselves out when efficiency becomes the goal of the AI's rather than paying for it.
 Yeah. Efficiency. Yeah. Because eventually efficiency is what's going to make things faster and cheaper.
 Right now, they're just trying to figure out any way of throwing money at it. But when they
 stabilize that this is a service that we all want to need, it'll become about the efficiency of it
 rather than just how to throw money on it. Efficiency. Yes. The HAV competition when
 Apple and Samsung have their local AI, and you can even in airplane mode, you don't have to contact
 the servers at Google or Microsoft for the AI information. Your phone will be smart enough to
 process most of that, and it can integrate with Siri and other ways to understand what you're saying.
 And then you don't have to depend on these advertisers to support that AI that's happening
 in the background. Efficiency. Yeah. There's some apps now that can run on your iPhone, that can do
 AI so that it can do note taking, and it can understand your voice, convert it to text, then
 send it to an AI, and then process that information, then send it back, and then print it out and talk
 to you and write, you can write a book with it, you can do all kinds of things. You can write poems,
 that's all done locally. So we should do a transcript of our show every week, just post it.
 Yeah. Yeah. This would be very helpful for students that are in an auditorium listening to professor
 lecturing. It would transcribe what they're saying, and then at the end of the lecture, just give you a
 synopsis or bullet points of what the professor said, and it's like having a private secretary
 there doing a transcription. That's great. Remember in college, we used to have a note taking club.
 Oh, right. Yeah. People take a black note. Well, no, some of the classes had a lot of
 diagrams in like, like histology, histology class had a lot of diagrams. And so some kids are really
 good at recreating the teacher's diagrams, and you wanted them for those classes. Others were
 less image oriented. So were those people doing it to make a living? No, no, no, they were just
 fellow students, you know, their members in your class that would do the note taking. But you can
 easily make a transcript combined with the images that the professor is putting up on the screen.
 That would be the best. I think now people just snap pictures with their phones,
 although I think some places are going to make it harder to bring phones into the classroom.
 Yeah. Well, at the same time, you'll see a lot of new forms of education that incorporate
 the video more effectively, rather than see it as a problem. I think we saw a lot of evolution of
 that with the whole idea of zoom events, zoom classes. It's an evolving thing. Sure. Yeah,
 media is so different now, huh? Constantly changing. A lot of the classes that I went to in college,
 they're huge. You like you to have a thousand kids and one giant auditorium. How much can you
 learn in that anyway? You know, you might as well be a watching on his recall. Yeah, plus you have
 the advantage of having a private conversation with others in your class while the teacher drones on.
 So lectures can be multitasked, which I think they should be because lectures often put me to
 sleep. I don't know about others, but I'm pretty sure I'm not out of the norm in that and that they
 could be much more effective means of communication. If only in allowing other channels of communication
 happen between the students as the teacher is lecturing. As my two cents on that. Oh, that was at least
 four cents. Yeah, I realized that all those years in college, yeah, I was falling asleep in the
 classroom because they were talking too slow and I didn't know that. I thought, you know, I just
 couldn't understand what they're saying. And now on YouTube, all I have to do if I start to like
 start daydreaming and I fade off, yeah, I just hit the speed button. I just go faster. Also,
 my attention comes back. Oh, really? Well, plus your attention works better at 2x or what? Yeah,
 1.5. When there's too much space between the words, then it allows my brain to be creative and I
 come up with other things like I'm bored. I got to think of something else. Then I'll pay an
 attention to their channel anymore, but trade attention to your thoughts. Yeah, that's right.
 That's right. Yeah. It was a way to turn off the internal dialogue. Interesting.
 I just couldn't do it in the classroom. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a big advantage to online learning
 then and pre-recorded stuff. Just a way of doing that to a live talk to get your attention back.
 Only if it's recorded and the good thing about if you go too fast, you can always hit the back
 space button and it'll go back five seconds and then you can, if you didn't catch the idea. Yeah.
 And those YouTube channels like Brilliant and Singularity Hub and all these extended learning
 programs, they actually suggest that you do it two or three times speed, normal speed the first time.
 And then second time, second time you go back not normal speed but a little bit faster than normal.
 And that's how you can, what you need is an overall picture of what you're looking for.
 So you zip through it as fast as you can. It's like speed reading a book and then you go back and
 realize what questions you had or what didn't you understand. You go back to that point exactly
 and play it. And that way you can cut your time of listening or watching these shows
 and get to the points very quickly. It's like speed reading. Yeah. That sounds absolutely cool.
 Very cool. I wonder if you could use these AIs for summarizing a lecture for you too.
 Oh, they do. In fact, that app, it's called VoiceNoteAI app. It does that for you. What it does,
 it's a recorder and then it sends it to your AI locally and then it processes it and then
 it does a complete transcript and then you can say, oh, can you just do a synopsis or can you just
 give me the bullet points and it will do that too automatically. Yeah. Give me a sign up. That's
 really cool. Whatever it takes to increase your comprehension of what you're trying to absorb.
 Wow. Yeah. VoiceNoteAI. Okay. I'll take a note on that.
 Yeah. This whole education process and how to incorporate the AIs in that, that's a big thing
 these days. The world's largest digital camera is now complete. And you know what they're using
 it for? The largest digital camera in the world. Astronomy. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Yes!
 I think that the web, when they deployed the J West, was the largest telescope ever so far.
 And I can only imagine that they're just going to keep trying to improve on that.
 Well, this isn't a space-based telescope. This is a telescope in Chile.
 Oh, that's right. This one's bigger than James Webb. Yeah. Because on the land, they can
 have more mirrors. There's more glass there. Yeah. That's right. That's glass.
 That's easier to deploy in Chile than on space than in the moon. And it's got a 27 and a half foot
 primary mirror. Wow. That's big. Yeah. That's big. There's nothing that big. It is biggest. Yeah.
 I've been following a podcast of one of the astronomers who's involved with that project.
 I'm very excited to conduct some research with it, a guy named Brian Keating.
 So look at some of the fundamental issues of the universe with it.
 Yes. Yes. He's a speculative physicist. I just came across him because Lex Friedman was interviewing
 him, but he's quite brilliant. And he's associated with that new telescope.
 And he want to try to ascertain if this is a universe or a multiverse?
 Yeah. That's his big question. And as a scientist, as a physicist, he points out that you can't
 necessarily prove that there is a multiverse. But he's designed an experiment to prove whether or
 not it's possible to have a multiverse or not. He's got some data that he's going to be collecting in
 the legacy survey of space and time. Well, as I recall from Brian Keating's description,
 his experiments require that he analyze gravitational lensing by subtracting the distortion of the
 dust in the Milky Way. And so this new telescope is going to give us the most accurate map ever
 of everything in the Milky Way. And that is going to get to allow us to make a more accurate map of
 everything else in the rest of the universe. That is going to have an influence on whether or not
 we can prove a multiverse or a universe theory. As a fascinating experiment, I hope he gets the
 budget to do that properly. I'd like to know. They're also looking at understanding other
 basic issues like dark matter and dark energy and deeper insights into what we know or what we can
 surmise about those topics. We were just covering article a couple weeks ago about how there's a
 new theory of the universe that makes dark matter and dark energy not necessary. Those are like
 unknown factors. Well, don't tell the dark matter that they're not necessary. This is the material
 we need in order for the universe to work the way we think it does. Yeah, it creates an inventory
 of the solar system also. It's so good at noticing everything that all the little planetoids and
 the asteroids and the comets and all that stuff in a three dimensional solar system map can be made
 by this telescope. Wow. Yeah, it's a National Science Foundation, the US Department of Energy and NSF
 Noire Lab, NOIR, Noire Lab makes sense for an astronomical group and SLAC, the Stanford Linear
 Accelerator. This telescope started being built in 2015. They're very excited to see it come online,
 but they still got a little bit more to do with the scope itself, but they finished the camera.
 Right. Okay. And this camera is even better than the JWEST camera, right? Because it's land.
 It's land-based as it has, it can be bigger. It's bigger, but I think also it covers the UV spectrum
 more in addition to the infrared and the near infrared as the UV. Well, it's wide field optical
 imaging capabilities can capture light from near ultraviolet. That's why it is. That's the UV
 to the near infrared NIR from 0.3 to 1 micrometer. It's greatest attribute as a camera,
 and it's this unprecedented detail over an unprecedented wide field of view.
 So literally, it'll be able to map positions and the brightness of billions of stars,
 galaxies and objects moving through as long as there's no clouds.
 A great real-time catalog. Something we'll be able to get through and utilize as a reference.
 We keep improving Earth's eyeballs out into space, that's for sure.
 Yeah.
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 Hey, Katio. I just wanted to make sure you guys do. I was not showing off. There was literally,
 literally, we were in the middle, like literally the middle of this
 shy, enormous plane with no one around for miles. And this little shed is like under the midday sun.
 And there's literally one sliver of shade right in front of the window where Bobby,
 so that was literally the only, I just wanted to make sure you knew I was not showing off.
 Yeah, it was fine. You know, Bobby's, Bobby's camera was kind of focusing on the screen anyway,
 so it was kind of a little blurry, which made it very aesthetic, very vanguard.
 Okay. Yeah, so get us beautiful. That's for us. And we didn't think you were showing off. We kind of
 felt like we were just getting a little extra dimension to the show. We were talking about how
 important it is that the technology that we create improves our life as humans. And then
 there you were demonstrating what a exhilarating human experience looks like. Yeah, it's so beautiful
 out here. Wow. Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah. Is it completely sunny there? Yes, it's kind of
 perfect. It's mid 70s. Wow. Not too hot. Yeah. Yeah. So really beautiful. And we are looking forward
 to going up to Mary's end this summer. Oh, it's such a treasure. You're going to love that.
 So you'll have to tell us what you think the best room is, the best view. They're probably all
 good. There's two floors of views. Yeah, we were on the third floor and I don't know how she names
 the rooms, but we were in the room furthest to the left at the top of the stairs. Yeah. Yeah, it was
 a corner. Okay. Yeah. But they're all incredible. So yeah. Great. Yeah. Enjoy. Great. How long you
 are at a town for now? Just this week. Yeah. I headed down to my sister and brother. All right.
 Well, and have a great visit to them. And it's great to see your smile. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you.
 Very athletic body on the arc. It takes daily practice. Definitely inspiring. Yeah. Inspiring
 second for yourself. Thank you. Okay. Can't wait to see you guys soon. Yeah. All right. Me too.
 Have a great trip. I'm retiring in June. So I'm going to come down there. All right. Free to
 speak in June. All right. That's great. Yeah. Okay, you guys. Bye. Bye bye. All right. And here comes
 Bobby. You want to share the link from Greg and Richard about. Oh, that was a country. I don't
 know anything about it yet. It just came in a few minutes before the show. But it was about a
 conference in Silicon Valley that combines spatial computing with artificial intelligence.
 Right. And spatial computing is a new idea for the internet that instead of it being URL based,
 it's actually got a virtual reality aspect to it that spaces are literally spatial in the
 internet world. It's a different way of finding things. You find them by object instead of by
 address. It combines the physical world with the virtual content and allows digital objects to
 exist and interact with the physical environment as if they were actually there. The seamless
 intertwining of computer worlds with human worlds or reality. Well, it reminds me of the
 Nvidia announcement when they were talking about how the development of their chip would facilitate
 the training of robots both in the real world and in the virtual world because you could completely
 virtualize the robot experience in a virtual world and they could learn and make the mistakes
 there before it was applied to the real world. Yeah, they have a model of the real world that
 they operate on and they can practice in their model. And in the process, get better when they're
 facing the real world. That's true. Yeah. Spatial computing can get complex or can be as simple as
 controlling the lights when a person walks into a room or it could be a network of 3D cameras to
 make a model of the entire space, you know, where everything becomes intertweenable or in your
 intertwining, you might say, intertwing. Yeah, between the seamless intertwining of virtual and
 real. So anyway, there's a conference going on April 17th. That's about a week in next Friday.
 Yeah, a little bit. Half a day conference in the valley in Sunnyvale. The two terms AI and
 spatial computing come together in my brain with a character named Dan Mapes. Right. You had
 many influences on all of us, including Bobby and you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was such a mentor.
 That's right. I don't think we would have met without Dan. It's crazy. The magic of digital media
 here in Santa Cruz back in the 80s and 90s. They brought many of us together. Great projects with
 Billy Eidle. And to Brett Leonard with a virtuosity of the movie. Right. A lot more of it. And all those
 graphic artists that we had to work with. But we did not see Dan's name on the link that we received
 about this spatial computing. But as far as many shows ago, that's hard to believe. I remember the
 last time that we did an interview with Dan several years ago, he was talking about spatial
 computing. And we hadn't heard it from anyone else at the time. So he's usually right at the very
 beginning of these kinds of technological innovative developments. So conceivably, yes, this baby has
 been launched into the mainstream and he doesn't need to be babysitting it anymore. We'll find out
 soon enough. Yeah. We'll do it. We can't see what the background is. It's a event called spatial
 computing summit in 2024. That'll be. Fusion of spatial computing in AI. I just got one here,
 but I will post it in our links page. Cool. Sliding scales, zero to $30. That sounds like Dan,
 doesn't it? And that sounds very inexpensive too. I know for an online price. Yeah, that's an
 online price. And it's a local event. Join the VR AR Association Silicon Valley chapter for an
 afternoon exploring how AI is unleashing the potential of spatial computing. So AI is letting
 the cat out of the bag here. I thought it was Dan letting it out of the bag. But maybe he's good
 at that. Intertwingable. Yeah. I'm going to follow that chapter and see what happens. AI's contact me.
 I suspect I should have a phone line just for AI collars. So thanks Greg for that link. We'll
 be checking into that the intersection of spatial computing with AI.
 So on other news, the James Webb telescope may finally have an explanation for hundreds of
 mysterious rogue planets that have been discovered out there. A rogue planet. What are the rogue
 rogue planets? Hundreds of them are planets without stars. Orphans. So they're bigger than
 asteroids and they don't orbit stars. So the rocky debris field in interspace. Well,
 they're twins. They're often rogue planets lack apparent star and they're traveling between
 star systems and they're free-floating planets. And often they travel in pairs. Really, rogues have
 pairs. Most of them seem to be large gas giants. They orbit each other.
 They're called Jupiter mass binary objects or jumbos. Convenient name.
 Jupiter mass binary objects. We've known about them for about 20 years. The first one to find
 them really was a UK infrared telescope in Hawaii. And since then we've seen hundreds of them.
 There was a big catch last year with the James West. They found 500 of those suckers in a trapezoid
 shaped expanse of the Orion Nebula. That's a known and stellar birth hotspot. The Orion Nebula?
 Yeah. So these jumbos might somehow be associated with stellar birthing.
 Interesting. So they're just cool, gassy giants, huh?
 Mostly. 80 of those worlds were between 0.7 and 13 times the mass of Jupiter.
 Forming pairs that orbit each other. They're very puzzling. For one thing, exactly how these
 jumbos form is a mystery. And what do these rogue planets come from? If not from a star.
 And where they kicked out of star systems, they must have been, right? I mean, how else would they
 form? And one other idea is that these planets form when clouds of gas and dust collapse under
 their own gravity, which is similar to how star formation generally is formed.
 Sure. Scaled down version of it.
 So they're just the mini version of a star, huh?
 Collapsing. Collapsing gas giant as a wannabe star.
 Instead of getting a star, it creates Jupiter, it kind of fits in with Arthur C. Clark's idea
 that Jupiter is a baby star. And then star waiting to.
 Wannabe star. Yeah. And at some point it'll ignite, it'll go, it'll become a star. But that is,
 I don't think is accepted today, but much as a major hypothesis. But this does come.
 Nobody's going to light a match to Jupiter. So we have it be a mini star in our solar system.
 It's a launch of satellite that just torches on to light up the gas giants to see what happens.
 Now I don't think so. Yeah, just flick that red storm into a big fire.
 Maybe in a novel, in an AI comic book novel, maybe.
 Well, I'll tell you, if it didn't ignite after being hit by that comet, that she
 mock her levy comet, I don't think much is going to get it to ignite.
 Yeah. Well, in reality, in order to ignite, you need to have the right combination of
 combustion, combustion, or material. And I don't think you do.
 Yeah. And you don't think that that atmosphere has a lot of oxygen in it, relative to other things.
 It needs more oxygen.
 Yeah. It needs more oxygen, right, right.
 Another about these rogue jumbo's, these planets in between star systems,
 is that they were pulled away from their planetary system by some kind of large object,
 pulled them away from their own star system, like something lured them.
 Some pied piper that caused them to wander astray.
 Yeah. Maybe a giant interstellar objects that come into a star system and are so large that
 they suck one of the planets off with them as they pass through, something like that.
 And that's another hypothesis. Stellar flybys, they call it stellar flybys.
 Okay. So what are they flying by? They're flying by other stars.
 They're flying by a planet and taking that planet out of its orbit and leaving its parent solar system.
 That doesn't explain to me how they would mostly travel in pairs then.
 You'd have to get two of them, or maybe they two split off from one into two.
 Anyway, that's completely not very known much at this point.
 Yeah. Fascinating to read about and think about.
 Yeah.
 That's what makes space so fun, is that there are all these anomalous discoveries,
 and it just gets your mind feeling very creative about how did that happen.
 Oh, here's an interesting thing. There's a student at Shanghai,
 Zhao Tong University in China, and he created tens of thousands of simulations of a planetary
 system that contained a pair of these Jupiter-mass planets, a jumbo set.
 Tens of thousands of jumbos?
 A pair, one pair. Tens of thousands of simulations.
 And in every simulation, he allowed a second similarly sized star to swoop by,
 to take it out of its solar system. And they calculated the fraction of simulations in which
 both planets got kicked out of orbit. In all of them, they tweak several parameters like the
 size of the planets. They're relative distance from each other, the flyby stars velocity,
 relative to the parent star, and see when these jumbos would get ejected.
 And they found that the jumbo were more likely to form if the planets were initially orbiting
 close to each other as if they were up to four times as massive as Jupiter,
 or if they were up to four times as massive Jupiter.
 But the odds of paired planets being kicked out simultaneously was less than 1%.
 So it was really hard to prove that a planet coming through the system could eject them
 as pairs. And maybe as one, but not as pairs. Single planets were much more likely to be kicked out
 still on front of the pairs.
 Well, that makes sense. Yeah, there's going to be more inertia in a pair of planets that are
 orbiting each other than in a single planet. Yeah.
 That's very interesting. Yeah. And also that the lone surviving orbiters, when they were taken out,
 were pretty badly shaken. But they're in the simulation.
 They're in the simulation warped into these ellipse shaped trajectories. Yeah.
 They're thinking that it's more likely that instead of a rogue object coupling them out,
 it's more likely the cloud collapse theory is more likely to how they form.
 And it's similar to stellar formation of cloud collapsing under massive gravity fields.
 I see. Yeah. Yeah. So it created a couple of paired rogues.
 Big collapse became a couple. So the universe of star factories create not just stars,
 but it looks like rogue planets as well. Fascinating.
 Rogue planets in jumbo twins. Go figure. Well, thank you. Yeah.
 All these things give rise to a lot of poetry, I would say. Thinking about rogue planets and
 thinking about forces that could entice them to leave their parental galaxies and head off
 on their own. These are epic stories. Absolutely.
 Well, closer to home, I might share with you a little culture from UK. There have been a group
 of singing nuns in the UK that have been working out of the Abbey Road studios.
 Were there singing nuns in the past that ring sort of flying?
 Oh, there's the flying nun. Remember the flying nun. Yeah, there's a flying nun.
 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sally Fields.
 Right. Classic 70s, 60s, sitcom.
 Wasn't there the French singing nuns? I should ask Katia.
 Well, I remember. I remember. I seem to remember having some music from a singing nun when I was
 a kid, maybe something my parents got ahold of. Yeah, I did too. I remember that.
 Okay. Well, these have a group they call themselves the poor Claire sisters of Arendelle.
 Oh, yeah. That's the very old order of nuns. That's right. That's right.
 Their age range from 50 to 96. Oh, yeah. I didn't mean the nuns themselves were old.
 I meant the order that they joined. Yes. It was old. Yes. It is.
 It's a very old. But some of those nuns are pretty old too. Yes, they are.
 They are. Yes. 1253 St. Clair of Assisi, 2053, 800-year tradition, working in praying form of life.
 They represent six different nationalities. So one of them could be French.
 And they live in an area of Britain, a rural community in Sussex. They came to fame during
 COVID with their debut of an album called Light for the World. Light for the World.
 That was their first album. Was their COVID hit.
 Latteningham's medieval text with a 21st century twist.
 And it set some records, right? Yeah, they did. I mean, it's a record.
 They got on top of the charts.
 Top of the charts. And was it the first time that say church music or? I don't know.
 The music is ancient. It was appropriate for the time. It was a height of the pandemic.
 And it offered calm and soulless in a tumultuous time.
 Right. And it was traditional church music. But they did record it at the Beatles studio at Abbey.
 That's right. That's right.
 Their picture on their album cover, or at least on this article, is adorable.
 You have these five poor clairs, nuns standing just like the Beatles on the crosswalk at Abbey
 Road. It's pretty entertaining. Number five.
 But they didn't record any Beatles music as far as I can tell.
 No, it's definitely not Beatles music.
 No, we listened to a little bit of it. It's like a chance.
 Yeah, we'll play a clip. This is radio. We do have a chance to play a little bit of it.
 Oh, tell me when you're ready. I'm ready.
 Well, I just want to set the stage a little bit more for them.
 We're going to play a clip from their new album, which they're working on. It'll be out next month.
 It's called May Peace I Give You. It's reflection on the word situation with the
 Ukraine and the Middle East and how peace is another major issue of our time.
 That's true. There's an awful lot of people working against peace, dehumanizing the humans,
 acting as if the past has no bearing on the future. But we've learned a lot from the past.
 We can live on this planet with a lot of grace if we just don't forget the past.
 You could be in this group, Mrs. Future. You think?
 I think so. I could be a poor, clear nun. I think you could.
 You have the right attitude. In some other life, maybe.
 Well, weren't you called a son, sweet utelpi, and nun?
 Not nudwink wink. Yes, indeed.
 Okay, so the nuns here, the core of their album is called The Canticle of Creation. It was based on
 that, which is written by St. Francis of Assisi in 1224 and then divided across seven songs.
 It holds a special place in their heart since St. Francis of Assisi was a friend of their orders
 founder. They lived eight centuries ago, but they knew that many things we struggle with today
 would something we would need in the future. And one of those things was how important it is
 to understand our relationship with the environment, i.e. nature.
 Sure. They feel that their music helps you connect with nature better.
 And they donate their profits for the sales of their first album. They're going to do that for
 this one too. And they want to touch people's hearts and bring them in touch with nature.
 And a lot of people who don't believe in God but feels that there's something about that music
 will take them there into an experience of connection that many have not experienced before.
 All right, well, cheers for the sacred. It comes out on May 24th, 2024.
 And these nuns, did you say that these nuns are aged from 20 to 94 or something like that?
 50 to 94. All right.
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 May peace. I give you. May peace. I give you. All right.
 Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that kind of sentiment and music. I mean, that music,
 of course, would probably just put me right to sleep. But I do think it's pretty. That's very
 pretty. It's very calming, very relaxing. Yeah. Very heavenly. Yeah.
 Bobby, we did experiment with a new medical device this week. Really? Something called an
 oligoscan, O-L-I-G-O scan. Tell me. It's a non-invasive medical device that measures the levels of
 heavy metals, minerals, and trace elements in your body and using spectrophotometry, optical density
 of chemicals based on how it absorbs transmissor flex. It fires little lights into your hand and
 gets all kinds of information about heavy metals in your body. Like a tricorder. Yeah. Yeah.
 It was kind of a tricorder thing. Yeah. So I thought you liked it. We're investigating that.
 I'm getting my readings out from that and looking optical density of elements in my system and in
 Mrs. Future's system. And it's quick. It takes only a few minutes. It gives you immediate results.
 Pretty amazing. So we're going to see how I can do this. Who's got this? It's a French company.
 Bobby Spur has it here in Santa Cruz. Wow. She was working with me. I happened now, Chasta.
 Who's your nurse? A nurse who works with this as well. All right. So we're happy to find out our
 vitamin minerals and metallic levels. Yeah. I was low on vitamin B12. Well, it's about time to say
 goodbye, my friends. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for being here, Bobby. That's a beautiful location. Thanks for
 having me. Yeah. Thanks, Katia for a great view of a beautiful Van Gogh, a place you have.
 Just incredible. And thank you, Mrs. Future, for being here. Always a pleasure. Your son or sweet
 utopian none. And thank you all for listening. Appreciate your attention. Have a great future now.
 All right. Yeah. Thank you, Al. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.