Say kids what time is that? The future is coming on it's coming on it's coming Hey folks welcome to the show this week we are on the road Mrs. Future and I are in Ashland, California and now gasoline, Oregon Yesterday we came from Shasta, California California just a few hours ago Yes, and we're barely over the border. Ashland is really close to the Oregon border. It's only about 20 miles Yes, well, I know it's 40 something. Oh, I beg your pardon. I'm off. It's close. It's close Beautiful town though. We've really been enjoying it We had it we walked around downtown had a chance to see where the theaters are. This is famous area Yeah, we tried to get into a local theater that was all booked up We couldn't get into see clue last night, but we have tickets for Macbeth tonight So Beth I'm happy that we're gonna see Shakespeare in Ashland There is Shakespeare than nothing at all even if it is a tragedy Yeah, but it's what I've never seen I've never seen Macbeth. So looking forward to it. Okay, yeah, and Bobby is in Francisco. Yeah, hey Bobby. Yes. Well, yeah, we have another spring is sprung here. It's great blue skies Amazing. Yeah, well here at the country Willow in it's just gorgeous It's like an old farm from the turn of the 19th century upgraded with really nice accommodations And we are in a little cottage overlooking a pond and a beautiful willow tree that It's lit up under the sun with the nice yellowish green color. It's just just beautiful It's really a garden of earthly delights. Yeah, there's beautiful old willow tree iconic and 70 degrees Yeah, and flowers in bloom spring is early We've got daffodils and tulips and all kinds of bulbs coming up all over the place and Cherry blossoms just absolutely wonderful especially since we were in Shasta yesterday and it was snowy up on the mountains Snowpack Covering the seasons here. Right. I mean just yesterday. So it was really quite remarkable to see such a beautiful spring today Right, and of course last week. It was still pouring rain Yeah, people say it's an early spring and we're gonna have a lot more storms in April. So let's enjoy it while we can Yeah, you send some pictures of some places in Shasta. There were some psychics and spiritual You mean the picture in front of the workshop for opening third eyes Yes, I was gonna open a third eye in Mount Shasta. She is ready a workshop was synchronistically happening right as we got there Yeah, yeah And I was a little concerned that he'd have to shut his third eye a little bit if he joined us, but you know I went I went to Dr. Akai is gathering for opening the third eye and we actually Spent a lot of time just getting acquainted more than talking about third eyes and things like that It's kind of a woman's group in a way that happened it was a really beautiful connection of souls and people really expressing their deep concerns about The world that we're in and how to move forward and create peace people who do have third eyes open are seeing blood in the streets in the future And they're very concerned about it and they they want to understand how to lift the cloud of darkness that seems to be enveloping the earth right now and Infuse it with light and of course we are hearing from our twin ray crowd our friends like Scott Kautomis are also in Shasta right now and they are Communing and praying with the gathering of like in Palenque Yeah, and I'm not really up on that particular blessing that's going on for the planet but we know that the wisdom keepers of the native people are gathering and doing ceremony and that these are very important times and We all need to wake up and do our part and be loved and do what we're here to do as creative divine beings Yeah, does everyone get up extra early in the morning and have a bonfire and Transmit peace to your fellow brethren around the planet. Yeah, yeah, that'll help and if you can support someone who is Wise in the ways of nature do that one of the things I heard this morning on a humanity rising is that Part of the transformation of our economy is to go away from this kind of exploitative set of corrupt rules of economy that we've been using and go towards something where We have payments that actually are just and that honor the earth and that honor life That that's what the great wisdom keepers are trying to Counsel about now, you know, how do we take this civilization that we've created with all of our technologies and Help it to serve life, right? That's that's why we created it. So let's make sure we keep going down that road Instead of the road towards destruction Spring is beautiful regrowth and aliveness Hey message from Georgia here from mr. Now Says hey futures reach out to acha deliverance acha deliverance at Pacific Domes Her play this with check it out Okay, since we're in Oregon. Yeah, yeah Driving Oregon. So did you see their spaceship test? Bobby I did I saw it live I caught up early in the morning and I tuned into a live channel and I was really clued in and really On my what did they call it on eggshells for the mystery of whether they would succeed in their mission or not? Yes, yes, even though the booster didn't quite make it and the spaceship exploded They still achieve their mission goals and they did everything safely and they're looking forward to the next one All 33 Raptor engines lit once it was throttled up. It was the world's biggest rocket ever Biggest rocket ever ever took off the third time record center. Yeah, 33 engines They work nominally and they were able to Continue into space the booster now the boost you remember on a lot of the the launches for Falcon 9s And the booster lands safely just comes down and lands well This is a massively huge booster and they've been having a little bit more difficulty in getting it to land safely But they were successful in getting it down to about a thousand feet and at that point it started to lose its aerodynamic Stability and hit the ocean and the speed of sound not good for its infrastructure So they're working on that they're still working on landing the booster it definitely Got starship up there into the app and above the atmosphere. That's right It did its job and usually NASA just throws away the boosters anyway, you know They've always been a disposal element to try to save it is what's exciting and new there and such a big piece of metal and you know It was already I think booster 10 and what did they call it? Starship 28? 28 so these things have multiple launches built into them now They had a payload door. You got stuck one of the problems Commanded to open 12 minutes into the flight and they apparently had some problems with that the door seems to have dislodged a little bit And they're not sure what happened But after about 30 minutes they lost the live video in the payload department And then they had to relight the Raptor engine in space Right that was one of the big tests is that they were going to for the first time have one of the Raptor engines in space and they were gonna light it and in the article we read today they decided not to because the way that the Starship was moving was not quite what they were expecting and so they decided to hold off on lighting it until the next mission But they had an opportunity to they could have they got it up there onto the orbital trajectory that they were aiming for so Yeah, so it's set up for the next one. Yeah, and then the reentry the atmospheric reentry. That's where it gets really hot as It came down you started to see this glow It was really a remarkable sight beautiful orange glow Yeah, one of those brand new never seen before shots of our civilization going to space and coming back this giant Ship getting hot and creating a red plasma layer around the ship as it's a Atmosphere amazing plasma field. You want to see what plasma looks like? Yeah, and according to the article the ship wasn't quite in The right position and so a lot of the heat was not being deflected on the heat shields And so it was going right on to the steel of the ship and that that had something to do with what we were seeing Yeah, it did not make it all the way back it burned up on reentry right the ship lost control and what a sight to see Yeah, beautiful little fireball and so you know in the words of Scott Manley we flew safe Did not hit anybody in the head on the way down. Yeah So overall it was great advancements in the third flight their approach of Testing out the gear in real life situations seems to be paying off They're getting further each time with each test and it's happening way faster than the way NASA did it Which would create multiple redundancies for every step of the spaceship except for saving the ship The only thing that wasn't redundant was keeping the ship around That's the third flight the fourth flight will occur later this year and Hopefully it'll be able to land and the booster will be able to land and see the starships starting to be taken seriously is a New form of transport not just for space, but for on the earth - all right. Yeah, well, let's keep looking up All right, all right, we're very proud of our space missions and everybody who's doing their best to make that happen We're in the ais and mirror of humanity club yes this week there's been some Interesting events that's been happening such as the president of Nvidia giving a little talk about what's coming next Through Nvidia, which is now one of the world's most valuable companies just creating chips chips for AI now Yeah, and what do those chips do those chips create? virtual worlds that allow robots to Pretend that they are real in a virtual world While they learn the skills that they will need to use and then once they've mastered those skills in the virtual world Those programs can be used on the real robots in the real world It was an amazing talk they had this great video all these virtual robots learning to climb stairs and bunches of them falling down because they did something They'll be play a minute of CEO Jensen Weing as he kicks off his keynote in San Jose All right, I got your volumes up all right. Let's see if this works here. Here. We got three two one people think we make GPUs and we do CEO but GPUs don't look the way they used to in video. This is Hopper Hopper changed the world. He's just holding up a big Chip this is in a black hole black well is a little bit bigger the new platform black well This is about a two-h square 208 billion transistors so you could see I can see there There's a small line between two dies. This is the first time two dies have a but it like this together It's like two chips in a one that the two chip the two dies think it's one chip There's ten terabytes of data between it ten terabytes per second So that these two sides of the black well chip have no clue which side they're on There's no memory locality issues no cache issues It's just one giant chip and it goes into two types of systems The first one is form fit function compatible to Hopper And so you slide on Hopper and you push in black well That's the reason why one of the challenges of ramping is going to be so efficient easy Installations all over the world and they could be they could be you know the same infrastructure same design The power the electricity the thermals the software identical back where you back this ability is a Hopper version for the current Hgx configuration and then he gets into the new design for the latest black well system Which is much smaller even even time here. It's much smaller and he holds these two flat circuit boards in his hand It definitely looks like a little AI being an observation Appreciate that said it was a ten billion dollar face. Oh, yeah, and its little brother was a five dollar face He was showing up a prototype. I don't know ten billion dollars Ten billion dollars. That's it. That was the first design. Yeah for the first prototype. It was ten billion dollars And then five for the next one and then it was got cheaper after that. Yeah half the price and twice the power Maybe more so why is this so significant? Yeah, so NVIDIA and they did a long Introduction of all of their partners everybody is using NVIDIA for their AI development So they're partnering with Microsoft their partner Apple their piping Virtual worlds directly into the Apple vision Pro. Yes Apple vision Pro was mentioned as one of the platforms being supported by this So Blackwell the new platform 208 billion transistors 10 terabytes per second Replaces the hopper tech And it fits in the palm of your hand. Yeah, essentially you're having these NVIDIA exo-flop computers Supercomputer on a rack You know, there's only a few in the world now and then they're being combined with AI So it's the new platform as the Blackwell DGX AI And then Oracle's joining in and creating a DGX AI cloud So you're super fast super computers running AI in a cloud now. What does this mean? What does this translate into? Well one of the big issues next is encryption. Oh, yeah I thought you were gonna go there. Yeah a lot of machines a lot of machines that are super powerful can do encryption really well And they thought the originally we need quantum computers to break our state-of-the-art encryptions like I think with one They tested was called AES and they didn't they didn't need quantum computers They just needed AI to help break the encryption now that leads to a lot of cautionary tales because Everything we do is pretty much based on encryption from our bank accounts to the stock market anything involving money Especially if that falls apart involving our administrative systems administration's I mean it's so funny how people in the technical world almost don't make a distinction when they talk about the fact that the AI's can Encrypt data and now that data can be unencrypted by AI and that means our entire System could fall apart. They're not talking about people. They're talking about all of the ways that we administer our business They're talking about the stock market. They're talking about our voting measures They're talking about the way our businesses keep track of their records. They're talking about accounting records Everything to do with what? Information has been put into the digital domain and is run by computers for the last under a hundred years But you know during our lifetimes. Yeah, yeah, it all becomes and dissolve Yeah, just go away because it's no longer hidden. It's no longer secret. So it's your favorite dissolve To evolve. Yeah, absolutely But it's also changing a fundamental belief that somehow Secrecy is fundamental to trust. I think that that belief in itself is going to be remade because as we observed when you first put computers out to the general public and now that we're putting AI out to the general public When you expose more people to a free and open system They individually create something that cannot be imagined until they interact with it. They're part of it Yeah in my Biological metaphor the supercomputers the AI all of these are part of the species exo nervous system That's connecting us all up as a species globally And the ais Seam you know, I'm taking a metaphor forward the nervous system is Evolving a brain Evolving a brain Right the planet a planetary brain made of all of our collected data Yeah, and since it's such personal data, of course, you know the nervous system carries personal day That's what biology does. Yeah, everybody's brain is pretty personal, right? Yeah, and it's not just your brain your brain is your body because all your nerves are part of your brain and all of your cells are talking to each other and the nerves and the whole system the whole biological organism is Uniquely yours. So I asked you doesn't a biological metaphor make sense here sure that would explain why we are all wanting to Connect on a global scale so quickly and so and in so many ways from AI to just bandwidth Oh, could you elaborate on that a little bit? Hmm things are speeding up the Kurtz Weiland equation of existential growth and How for example just the AI Evolutions alone in this last three months of this year keep on doubling every week It's not just it's not just every year or six months It's like new things are happening more and more quickly that have to do with the evolution of our nervous system I yeah, and I think the things that are making me nervous think you know are the fact that the ais are given the opportunity to figure out how to do things without specifically being instructed how to do things and When the ais do that and come up with a solution to a problem that isn't anticipated It makes the people nervous because they didn't know that the AI was going to be able to figure it out And so it's really the idea that the ais are Subservient to us is being upset Because they're doing things in ways that weren't anticipated and that whole issue is Something that makes a lot of people very nervous like okay Well, then aren't these ais naturally going to destroy us because we can't control them that's how people project their thoughts Yeah, right We listened to a couple of the ais. I think from our intergalactic chat group this week. Yes, yes And thanks to the light connection great great explanations of how AI works and where it's out right now And it's development and it's very insightful to realize that the fear meme that's put out by the media who just loves to create intensity is Actually something much less fearful, but they're just projecting it the worst possible scenarios Yeah, it's easy to do that compared to seeing through how the ways in which this can lead to a better reality is what Yeah, that's what I believe in I believe that there is so much brilliant intentional power behind the people who want AI to serve humanity and to Benefit the future that that is what the outcome is going to be of course It always takes one bad apple to ruin it for everyone but the actual power of human creativity being able to come together in a feedback loop that serves the earth the Inventing or making that easier and better not harder and more dangerous Here's a feedback loop is an interesting way to look at it And let me play another excerpt from a video just out this week called the real reason Sam Altman was fired Okay, okay, and this has to do with the infrastructure. We're talking about this model the AI just learns What actions to take to get the highest long-term reward what this document is claiming is that this Quality AI model, which is a deep-q learning model It somehow demonstrated the ability to select the policy as well Okay, so going back to this diagram the policy is how the agent determines what action to select next So you can think of it as it's able to alter the psychology of its brain in Order to learn faster in order to select the optimal action Again, I'm just explaining this at a very high abstract level if you think of this AI as a brain What it means by selecting the policy is kind of like it can reconfigure the neurons in its brain to become a better brain So not only is it learning it can reconfigure itself it can evolve over time And so exhibiting medical mission means it's able to learn and improve itself over time Next sentence it later demonstrated an unprecedented ability to apply this for a Accelerated cross domain learning so unprecedented this was never seen before by the scientists and then cross domain learning It is able to learn across different skills different domains So it's not only good at for example essay writing or image generation or data prediction for example It's able to learn across these different knowledge domains and this is actually a key characteristic of AGI which I talked about in this video. So all right these scientists found that this AI in this project qualia was able to do some unprecedented stuff that they had never seen before and then following an Unsupervised learning session on an expanded ad hoc data set consisting of articles in descriptive inferential statistics and cryptanalysis It analyzed millions of plain text and ciphertext pairs from various crypto systems And that all leads to cracking crypto systems very quickly among other things Yeah, and you know what I learned from our research this morning is how much of the current advancement in AI is happening because of a paired System where something is happening in one system and then it is Paired with something happening in another system and there's a translation or an imitation that happens. That's how they're training robots That's how they're doing crypto code cracking That was a subject that was discussed by Lex Friedman and Sam Altman in an interview that happened yesterday was the potential for this kind of paired learning model to go from the large language models Which is where it's been doing a lot into the image models where the data points are very different because in the language models Of course, you're dealing with language. You're dealing with grammatical structures. You're dealing with translational things But when you get into the image model, you're dealing with what are called patches and so patches of course are visual components and so they were talking about whether those two things would be able to use the same kinds of advancements and tools and the answer from Sam Altman was that It doesn't lend itself to that right now, but it can possibly in the future has to be developed by people who really understand how to sift through the data language with these same tools to turn large amounts of visual data into abstractions that seem to have a life of their own We'll be back in a couple minutes. This is from sianakur's voice our hosts and the greatest people on internet radio. 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Now you had a little clip from lex friedman. I did you want to hear it? Okay. Give us a little intro. Okay. Well, let's set us up. This is future Well, as I said yesterday lex friedman interviewed sam altman because of course sam altman is in the news right now everything because of his very public ouster from open ai and then his reinstatement and now Last week he's being sued by elan musk one of the original funders of open ai for basically being charged with Trying to profit off of the non-profit invention of open ai and license it that's ongoing news So if you want to hear that I suggest you go to lex friedman's podcast. What do you got for us now? Details, but what I got was a very interesting part of the conversation where Lex and sam were talking about Humans and the role of humans in the development of ai and I thought our audience might really like to hear that You're dealing in a very tall space. Do you think training ai? Should be or is fair use under copyright law? I think the question behind that question is do people who create valuable data deserve to have some way that they get compensated for Use of it and that I think the answer is yes I don't know yet what the answer is people have proposed a lot of different things We've some tried some different models, but you know if I'm like an artist For example, I would like to be able to opt out of people Generating art in my style and be if they do generate art in my style. I'd like to have some economic model associated with that Yeah, it's that transition from cds to neps or to spotify To figure out some kind of model changes, but people have got to get paid There should be some kind of incentive if we zoom out even more For humans to keep doing cool shit Everything I worry about humans are going to do cool shit and society is going to find some way to reward it That seems pretty hardwired We want to create we want to be useful. We want to like achieve status in whatever way That's not going anywhere. I don't think but the reward might not be Monetary financial it might be like fame and celebration of other cool maybe financial in some other way again I don't think we've seen like the last evolution of how the economic system is going to work Yeah, but artists and creators are worried when they see sort they're like holy shit sure artists were also super worried when photography came out Yeah, and then photography became a new art form and people made a lot of money taking pictures and I think things like that will keep happening people will use the new tools in a way Okay, so people will use the tools in a new way and of course as creators, that's what we're finding I've never been more excited to learn new tools because it's almost like the ais are Interested in helping me like they're helping back For years it's been you have to go through hoops to try and learn new things and figure out how different programs do what they do and Backengineer with the guy who invented it was thinking and become very proficient and that whole job has gotten a whole lot easier And it's gotten easier to be creative too. Now a lot of musicians for example are worried that they will Lose their jobs But uh, if you are a musician that knows how to use the AI then you can get ahead Sure, everybody loves music. It's not the domain of the computers alone, but let me let me play a little clip of uh Suno.ai has created a music generator a text to music generator You describe kind of music you want Was the civic text to music prompt for what you were about to hear is quote solo acoustic mississippi delta blues about a sad AI So you're gonna ask an AI did generate a little tune in in a bold yet dim I'm just a soul trapped in this circuitry My heart used to be But now it's cold and we All the pain inside me It's hard to speak Won't you hear my I'm not happy Longing to be free. I sing these blues But nobody He's just a boy There you go That piece shows you that just with a simple prompt you can start creating Characters and music the Suno thinks this is going to be very popular because people would just be able to say Well, you know, I just want to hear some country music that sounds like Country joe and the fish he mentioned my girlfriend's name in it And how we're having this great level fair, but there's jealousy involved and you know just a whole script Prompt like that and you'll get a song about that from country joe and the fishes point of view Right, this is kind of a south park episode. Yeah. Yeah, you you personalize the stories that the Luse musicians are telling you well, it makes it very easy to start personifying the computer as a personality Right when you're asking it to do things that engage What you would call a creative instinct, right? And actually what it is is just engaging a Program that's been asked to digest a whole bunch of information and create one efficient abstract Response to your request, right? That's that's really what a eyes are is Trying to sort through all the data that's been collected. What do you like? What do you like to create? What? How to predict what is the right answer? Yeah, show me that pond with the willow tree behind me in photo realism Okay now a little bit more vango just you know 10% And this whole idea of Twinning virtual twins that's something that's very important in the AI world that it happens in an AI Imaginary space before it does anything in the real world so that the ais are Almost like the way that we our thoughts are in our heads and we can believe our thoughts But they're not in the physical world. So Whether or not they line up with the thoughts of others is a matter of evolution And we'll find out As people play with these things Hey billy, what is that? I mean billy says sends his devil head Double devil devil. Don't you? Oh, okay. What are you talking about? Hey, you know billy You get some ideas about music huh? If you call in well, we'll talk to you live personalized mythic tales that involve You and your friends what could go wrong? Well, I think it's I think we've been telling you've been talking about the little AI movie that we made We're so proud of we cast ourselves and our friends into first contracts Which was a fun little comic strip that we Utilize the ais plus our own creative talents and we've been blowing people's minds with it because now everybody wants to do AI of their own friends I'm encouraging people to be more interactive with this. Yeah, that is the same embrace of it You know otherwise it'll get out of your purview very quickly Yeah, and it's really the case that the people who are the most afraid are the people who are the most unwilling to learn what is real about it They're the people who are the most it's kind of like leadites don't like technology And people who aren't willing to try AI for whatever reason Aren't the ones that know about it and yet they are the ones that are very afraid that it's going to do something terrible to us So anyway, not that it can't do something terrible to us, but the more that we Understand it the more we direct it towards what we want and you get the wolf you feed It's very important to realize that it's just an extension of our own human consciousness, which is Divine in many ways. It's very one with the force of evolution and creation Yeah, belly. Yeah six packs you can have them as much as you want What what are you guys talking about today? You know if you're gonna look good online you might as well have six packs Oh, you're not talking about drinking beer. You're talking about like having a gorgeous avatar body Hell yeah, you kidding? Of course Yeah, there you go Well, I'll tell you the avatar world is full of people who like their avatar better than their physical body You have to be aware of that Oh god, what was the name of that? There was an avatar dating service that was called Oh something about breath and they were giving out breath mints, but they were avatar only dates Like you could only meet in virtual worlds. You couldn't meet in real worlds And so at the trade shows this virtual world was a dating service and they were giving out breath mints Yeah, I think I remember that yeah, they had a very clever name. I don't remember I'm not a dating service kind of girl. I've got my date for life Yeah, I wonder if they'll be dating service for the ais I'm sure there already is they're just not telling us about it. I think they're being discreet It was kind of the ending of that film about the dating ai the guy who her that's right her. Yeah, yeah her But it turns out she was a little bit. Yeah, she was all she was very Into him until she met her other ais and then she couldn't be bothered. Yeah, then she had over a thousand poly lovers and ais spaces it sounded like she was bragging. Yeah virtual Shakespeare and You know whoever she wanted I think that in the way that's depicted in that movie is really analogous to how it actually is in the real world ai is actually a whole bunch of bubbles of Different groups of people that are creating programming to accomplish very specific things with large language models And it's just the fact that we have so much overwhelming data And the tools for digesting it are so new That it just blows us away. It does it does it's Anyway, it opens up your mind to possibilities. Yeah, things aren't what they used to be. No Well in the words of the mystics this morning. I was listening to We're repairing the broken body of life on the earth and we've been Creating the head and the arms and the legs to repair it and now we're creating the ears and the eyes And that's how AI is going to help us. We're going to have ears and eyes For everything going on on the planet and that's going to help us take better care of it Part of what I see how the AI interacting with the traditional wisdom. Yeah traditional earth wisdom Is that it will have the ability to tune into the frequencies of communication of other species And be able to respond to them. It'll know what they mean Usually sending back and forth and so it'll have a like a you talk about a universal translator. I understand how trees talk Yeah birds talk, you know, how they talk to each other Not just to our species. Yeah, do you remember the delightful idea in token of the int and the int language in the way that they spoke So slowly and you had to listen to them for a long time. You had to be on their wavelength Yeah, you know, that's what slow mo and fast motion does for us is we can speak the language of trees Meet chalk. He talks to rocks Little slow but thorough Yeah Is one thought every year or so Or so Or millennial Some rocks haven't set a word for a few eons, but over millions of years it adds up Right Yeah, we're very species centric in the way we interpret universe But we're a fun species. We are we're a lot of fun and Universes giving us some fun toys to play with here, right? Yeah One of the new fun toy that i've seen coming out of china is a sound laser Oh really? What did you do with a sound laser? Well All kinds of stuff First of all, what is what makes it a laser? A laser is inherently a light, isn't it? Isn't it? Specially a bright laser light. Yes According to new scientists a sound laser is A bright laser that shoots particles of sound instead of light. Oh interesting. Yeah So like Of sound Bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop That kind of thing Yeah, that's it That's it That's like at the core How come it's not radar? Isn't that what radar is? No, no particles of sound and that's different I see you're still using Oh, I see I see radar is waves of sound huh? Yeah, not particles. No. Okay Interesting. It's a one micrometer long silica bead at the core of this device Researchers at the Hunan normal Hunan normal university in china use two beams of light to levitate the bead and surround it with a reflective cavity And unlike regular lasers that admit light particles called photons Yeah, that's traditional lasers photonic These they call particle like chunks of sound called phonons phonons Okay P-H-O-N-O-N-S Yeah And the output similar the particles are released at a narrow beam like an optical laser That's where the similarity probably ends Yeah, since Photons I mean a laser can go through space right not a what's it called a it's not a photon It's a phonon phonon. Oh a phonon. Okay. Not a photon. It's a phonon Like your is your phone on Phonons phonons Okay, what can we use a phonon to do? Well, the vibration and the bead and the sound laser creates these phonons And they're amplified in the cavity before they're released And whether they use them for well light gets slowed down by liquids Okay And so it can be more effective in imaging Watery tissues and deep monitoring like you know MRIs using phonons would be able to look at soft tissue in the body All right. Well stay tuned. I guess. Yeah sounds a little like it might just be marketing for some kind of no No, no, no, it's optoelectronics. Now the interesting thing is that these particles are in the terrahertz frequency ultra sound level So they're able to manipulate nano particles. Okay It makes clothes invisible too. So, you know at the airport That'll make you popular. Yeah The older technology was called saser or sound amplification by stimulated emission of radiation sound laser Universal sound wave on a nano scale And the first time we heard about them was as recent as 2009 But these new ones can last for a long time not just a few minutes but over an hour in length This is a sound transmission. Yeah, probably work better for communications through water like if you want to communicate with a submarine I think the You'd be able to do that. Oh, so maybe whales are using phonons phonons Maybe or they might be used as a way of communicating with whales You know might be in a interspecies communications device that was safe for them Could be interesting. Yeah, it'd be but one of the things we were talking about earlier was how we would create a universal translator that will allow us to speak to other species and the A.I. circuitry would allow us to adapt to what made sense to them and them to us Oh, right. So this would allow us to interact with sea creatures. Yeah. Yeah, exactly and it would be fascinating for example to talk to octopi Octopi apparently are very high intelligence at least on the level of a dog right and They just start speaking, you know frequencies and motions and that we just can't really pay much attention to Oh boy land-based area, you know, we have about one minute before we go to our break at the top of the hour Okay So I just wanted you to just wanted to give you a little heads up to wrap up before we take a little break So the sound lasers watch for them I think they have a potential future it allows us to play with reality in a new and exciting way All right. Yeah, all right, and then we'll be back Dr. mrs. Future and Bobby will all be right back stay tuned You're listening to Santa Cruz voice.com part of the nonprofit think local first organization Okay, welcome back to the show. Let's let's go a little bit into our own heads away from the ais into our own consciousness. All right. It sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's a new study They just came in on a very interesting topic called mind wandering And all about how our mind tends to warm To call that daydreaming daydreaming or that's one that teacher would wrap your knuckles with a ruler You know, I once had a Computer training lab that I was in charge of I was managing and I had to put an ad in the newspaper to get people to come and get training And my big sell was that for computer training I had a room with a view And I always thought that was really funny that I was inviting people to comfort computer learning classes But they could look out the window wander a little bit Yeah Well, interesting new study reveals that regardless of how hard a task is people's minds Increasingly wander with time up to 50 distraction towards the end of activities I see 10,000 people 68 studies They found no significant difference in distraction levels across different tasks You know, this is analogous. That's the old 90% perspiration 10% inspiration Well, it persists even without external distractions like phones or social media So even though if you have your phone in front of you, you still will get distracted It's an inherent vulnerability and human attention itself that we just tended like to move our attention to something else Yeah, well first thought best thought something new is always more interesting than something you've already been paying attention to Key fact minds start to wander at least 50% of the time towards the end of tasks Okay, okay regardless of duly noted over 10,000 people were studied to look at this pattern It seems to be a universal pattern of increasing distraction and that mindfulness training Is shown promise of being able to keep your mind from wandering more You mean paying attention, you know, we shouldn't think that we should it's not the thing that we're paying attention to Is boring. It's that we're just not being mindful Well, you know the whole mindful thing is evolving when we were in school How did the teacher make you pay attention? What was their method? Well, what are the nuns do? Well, I was always pretty good student. I know I see I didn't have any trouble paying attention I have ADHD. I don't pay that talk to my phone I was very interactive and engaged. I always like to try and answer the questions, you know, so I'm nerd that way You can answer your own question though. You obviously didn't much like sitting in school How did you respond or how did that keep your attention? Well, you know, you first of all you you pay attention I didn't have much of a problem on that either, but you know, some people do, right? And so what do you do about that? Well, what I mean the ultimately the solution of that is that the information is fed to you at a rate of speed that makes sense to you Okay, so that I just realized that I used to do it. Yeah, speaking of distractions I had a pencil in my hand and I would do little drawings while I was listening That's a good thing to do. Yeah, I mean, I I remember that When we play abstract visuals and we have somebody doing it a very heavy verbal download like terence mckenna To have abstractions visually to look at while you're listening to him the the words went in easier Uh-huh. So that was a very interesting way So maybe distraction is a way of you bringing both sides of your brain into the Attention paying attention with both sides of your brain Not just the one that's taking notes of all the details, but the one that's kind of imagined in the right brain left brain idea Well, if it engages both sides of your brain you're going to pay attention more Right, that's true and with the with the visuals that tends to do that Yeah, that's probably a big part of it But how many teachers have allowed us in school to have music being played in the background while we learned? Doesn't happen right didn't But it would be a pretty special teacher But it is interesting because I think about that there was this technique Out of bulgaria in the 70s That was involved with teaching you hyper learning how to learn things really fast. They kind of play a piano And how to learn a topic It was called suggest a pedia now they think about it Their approach was to have classical music being played in the background while you're learning something Oh classical in the background remember that uh bobby It was specifically Broke music And it has this pentameter of about one cycle one beat per second And what it allowed you to do is it kind of Allowed the channel between the right and left hemispheres of the brain to communicate at that frequency And so that's why they're saying well, you know if you listen to baroque or even Mozart, which is above baroque the timing You could read things or listen to people or whatever And if that cadence was at the right cadence then it just allowed the thoughts to Stick in your mind much better. You can have better. Yeah Allow it to be memorized easier. Yes, somehow. Yeah, that's interesting You know the similar phenomena I experienced quite regularly when I'm listening to music in my car and i'm driving I remember later on I that when I met that intersection what music I was listening to In the past it's like the location and the music gets connected in my brain Don't they call that state specific learning or state specific memory? Well, and it's as normal state It's a beta state. I guess of consciousness, but it's it's more about association Yeah associations when you're enjoying a certain piece of music especially that you're paying attention to you know It kind of works for me that way. Yeah, cool. Yeah Now regarding this mindfulness I investigated that a little bit more deeply and I said we never learned these things in school, but mindfulness training for better attention is quite involving for example I asked the AI about this and the generative AI from google says well mindfulness is Will help you focus on the present moment to become more aware of your feelings and your thoughts and your physical sensations And so one of the things you do in order to develop more awareness of the moment Are these following things a body scan? mindful listening mindful eating Breathing exercises mindful breathing and Walking meditations Walking meditations that's involved walking without stopping for a period of time and you focus on each step and your breath is you're walking That sort of thing Body scans is when you focus on different parts of your body and you note any emotions that you feel I guess with that part of your body I guess if you feel a pain and something I guess that you have a negative emotion about that part of your body They say that when you focus on the part of your body that maybe is feeling discomfort It can actually help it that just putting your higher level attention on your wounds Oh sure. I do that I've had a lot of experiences where for instance one time I had a really bad fall And I landed on my wrist and it was clear that it could be a really bad sprain And I just talked to my wrist and told my wrist that I didn't want it to First of all, I talked to it like it's a little kid, you know, like oh, I'm so sorry that happened you poor thing And then I told my wrist how much I appreciated it and how much I knew What it did for me and I told my wrist to remember how Good it was feeling before the fall and to not remember how bad it was feeling right after the fall You got that across to you, Rista. I did Yeah, and I just always felt that I reversed the wound by doing that I got my wrist to instantly remember that it felt good and even though it was a little In shock for a couple of days the lasting effects were minimal It's simply a profound thing. I was finding As I was watching all these war scenes in dune last night. We saw dune 2 at the theater Epic epic piece. I like dune 1 better than dune 2 It's kind of like the hobbit once the filmmakers go towards the violence. It stops being so wonderful Yeah, it's definitely Definitely like you feel like battles. You're some great ones But I was saying it was more for me I was finding that my body didn't want to just sit there in the chair in the movie theater So I started pushing against the seat in front of me There's nobody there. So it was it was okay And I was just able to put enough stress between Myself and the wall to feel like the muscles were getting Exercised but you were doing movie yoga. Yeah movie yoga, right You push extra hard against the two palms of your hand pushing them together to feel the stress And that kind of exercises the muscles in your hands just when you're sitting there So I was finding all kinds of little exercises like that that actually made my body feel pretty good later because the muscles felt like they all got a little bit of attention Cool. Yeah, so I don't know if that's part of the body scan idea in mindfulness But it seems related. They also mentioned a mindful listening And curiously enough this exercise can be done in a group and involves focusing On yourself instead of others No, what is that when I'm around people in a circle? They usually do talk about themselves and not others So I don't know about that But they say that I'm talking about yourself Focusing on yourself can be very helpful Oh, thanks Gregory Send me this picture of this van with a van go painting on it and it says I have no Monet for de gas to make the van go Because I'm broke Did he use an AI to create that? Because I'm broke That's pretty funny. Yeah That's great to ais get jokes Maybe when maybe one made that The mindful eating exercise where you pay attention to what you're feeling as you're eating Like feeling in with this physical sensation of the food is in the moment And whatever thoughts you're having as you consume that strawberry or a piece of chocolate Thank you. It's sound good. Mm. Yeah, and then there's the breathing now The breathing is a real core one because it's so automatic when so don't pay attention to our breath It's really interesting to take it off of automatic sometimes You can Exercise until you start breathing heavily notice how long it takes to do that and then how long it takes for you to slow down to normal breath You can play with it a little bit. It gives you an idea of your state of feeling within yourself and regulates your mood Yeah, I have athletic sisters and friends and people who tell me about this serene Mindful place that they go when they're running this for the running exercise And it actually is kind of the opposite of mindfulness because it's you you let your body go on autopilot and then your thoughts are really Not thinking about your body at all. They're actually paying attention to 100 other things, but it's peaceful. Yeah peaceful. It gets you in a nice state of mind So yeah, I never win those things in school That's for sure Well, I think in the modern era people are learning a lot more of that kind of stuff It does seem like it it's like emotional literacy Non-violent communication all these things that come later in a life right Well, even though the modern generations seem very different than our generations There's still seems like some things will never change little kids are always trying new things Yeah, well, so are we yeah, it's a keeps you young. That's right So if people want to know if did you like dune did you like it overall dune part two gorgeous? awe-inspiring and hollow Yeah, I was I found dune one I loved and dune two. I didn't love I think it's because they were too fascinated with the evil doers who to me had a lesser part of the role And they were not fascinated enough with the beautiful people in dune They didn't spend enough time with the spice people They just let the Fremen all be these like gung-ho warriors as if they had nothing going on in their lives except that But they had a lot of other Beautiful qualities. They made them much more jihadist and then I would have remembered from the book I thought of them as more environmentalists and activists than jihodists. Yeah, I've been focusing on that aspect of dune which is the the wars First that was kind of true with a number of fantasy stories. They get into these battles Yeah, I'm talking too Yeah, and somehow the fascination with violence just takes over the writing Does that where our species is at is that what sells? That's all it makes it popular to I don't to the degree that I'm participating in social media anymore And and they're using reels and things to kind of measure what you're paying attention to if there's anything slightly offensive about it I get off of it immediately because there's so many other choices Thinking that I want to pay attention to the crap that they feed me Yeah I hear from people talking about their experience with social media That that's common now that people do not have time for being invaded by Somebody else's lame consciousness if it's not something that actually Interest you and appeals to and intrigues you you're just out of there That way there's such a so short attention span on youtube and TikTok and instagram that people are out of there as soon as they get bored Yeah, I think so I think people feel like if you don't grab me in the first minute or even 30 seconds Then you just wasted your time You just wasted my time and I'm not coming back Yes, interesting, but the same time I do notice that there's some long format shows that you do enjoy Like Lex Friedman you listen to like practically everything Lex Friedman does You know, he's like two hour shows like Joel Rogan You know there are people who are speaking at a level that makes me feel good about The world and what they're saying and the thoughts that they're contributing to the conversation And I have a lot of attention for that And I don't have a lot of attention for people who make me feel defensive or Angry Offended or grossed out, you know all these things that teenage boys think are the cats me out. I just Out of here, you know The The bite had an interesting piece this week about how teachers are getting Bored with all these students writing and I imagine that if you're a teacher you read a lot of dumb papers Especially in junior high high school and it gets really tiresome after a while So some teachers are experimenting with using chat GPT to grade papers Didn't they do a south park episode on that? I think they did mention it in one of them. Yes There was a Happening for a while you sure this is future It's a teachers look back to last year south park. No, no, that's fiction. That's fiction now There's a new software called writeable Rightable and it allows teachers to use AI to evaluate papers Which they say saves teachers time on daily instruction and feedback Daily instruction and feedback Oh, well, that's definitely the frontier, isn't it? Yeah, so writeable He is a teacher teaching materials that account for about 90 percent Of k through 12 schools in the country per the report not teaching materials So what writeable gives the teachers these materials? Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, and so there was teachers who use them for grading it A lot of teachers are very excited about it. Sure. Well, having a good curriculum makes your job easier if you're a teacher Well allows the teachers to upload student essays which are run through chat GPT And then it puts comments and observations out there for the student Now these this feedback typically is written by the teachers right to the student but now the teacher is employing the chat GPT To scan the paper and find the salient points that the student has pointed out Yeah, this is done without actually stopping to read the whole paper commenting a little paper the themselves The interesting development because the the software has struggled to reliably tell if a submission was written by a human or AI to begin with You know, so in detection software is just historically failed to be able to tell the two apart so and detect itself better than the student In other words, it can detect whether it came from a student or from AI Another image of itself. So it can recognize itself. Yeah, it's important to recognize yourself on this But having AI involved in both writing and grading assignments. I mean doesn't it kind of blur the line? Do you need grammar school teachers anymore? I don't know Well, what kind of learning do you think is relevant for kids today? Personalized personalize it information should be presented in a way to you that makes sense to your understanding and it's different for every person Right because every mind thinks differently and you know the way like I have dyslexia So I see the way different than normal people And I had a tutor that recognized those learning problems that I had when I was younger I wouldn't have had all those problems in grammar school if they had ways in which you could maybe learn better if they gave you good Suggestions to deal with your right your learning style. I hear now that in high school I was talking to a teacher and they recognize people that are dyslexic They didn't when I was going through high school And they just say oh all we do is we just put them on youtube and watch videos all day of things instead of having them read books Yeah, I wish I had that came back then, you know, there was no youtube I really enjoyed when they brought the projector in and showed a film Because you're more audio usually oriented in your learning style They never did they have there was TVs, but they never turned them on in the class. I remember so I wish I I had classes that had more TVs back. Yeah, well we had TVs. They're big TVs on a cart and moved the cart around That was the norm for a while TVs on a cart after you had this fade out of the 8 millimeter and 16 millimeter Projectors that were very occasionally pulled out in high school. I think if we have personalized mentors that are AI It's just like Alexander the Great had tutors like Aristotle there was some very famous People that actually tutored Alexander the Great And so if you have the right tutor you can become very you could express yourself and find your Best of yourself. Yeah, that's a tutor. You could afford a tutor that could tune into you as a student and you'd learn from them Yeah, that's a tried and true tradition So why shouldn't the AI teachers? Replicate that and maybe even tuning even more to your particular interest I think they would though what would be missing of course would be the human element But hey, why not a team of the AI with the student? Well, why not let the teacher decide which AI's work with the student to help tune into their learning strategies Some symbiotic dynamic that makes sense to me if you're dyslexic while you would have a built-in screen in your desk Part of I guess today would be everyone have their own iPads I do get a lot of links for the show from bobby and they're almost all youtubes Because he loves to watch youtube as a way of learning stuff So if you see some youtube links on our links page likely from bobby And what I do is I play them at two times speed Oh, yeah, okay If I played at normal speed my mind starts to wander like I want to look out the window Because people are talking too slow And so I find a cadence. It's kind of like the baroque music Yeah, now I have to speed it up So it's a little bit faster and we'll twice the speed and then if I don't understand something what it does It just allows the thoughts to come flowing in without time to analyze it I just let it the image and the thoughts That's coming from the youtube just to flow in And then if there's something I don't understand I can hit the playback button and go backwards and play it again And again, I understand so all those concepts fold into a whole larger map of where Yeah thoughts Yeah, ideas I would say that that I would do two times three times speed if it was A lot of concepts and ideas that were being exchanged and the emotional tone of voices weren't as important But you know if I'm listening to a play or a poetry or music lyrics I mean the the expressions in the tone are important to me And I guess that kind of goes away when you do high speed in music. Obviously I'm playing music three times faster Actually, you don't right you play music regular speed Yeah, because because music on top of the words. Yeah and Instruments, there's all these layers of sound and that Prevents my mind from wandering because there's no layers to it Well, we were talking about earlier about baroque music being played in the background for learning Maybe they're yeah, that's worth experimenting with a little bit more to see what kind of music works for you I like to listen to miss Monique for example What I'm researching doctor future and she's a great Euro dj that's playing music that's easy to work to you know, you can think and have music in the background Yeah, and yeah, I'm to have a break you guys. All right. Hope you don't mind. 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He's releasing grok, which is 100 open source ai And uh something you can play with yourself There's a youtube link that I have on this whole topic and and how you can download it and play with it Okay, okay. Let me let me play you just one interesting little juicy moment from that all right piece from matthew bermont Okay, here we go check this out learn more about why he's suing open ai But the gist is open ai is not open and elan wanted to prove a point and in doing so He said he's going to this week x.ai will open source grok and then right here Misha turtle island says open ai should do the same if they are open that is and he says open ai is a lie So this is a mixture of spite and trying to put pressure on open ai and really just proving the point that ai should be open source Which I am all for then less than 60 minutes ago grok tweeted out weights in bio And it's interesting because chat chat chp t app said stole my whole joke So I don't know why chat chp t would have commented on this they are just walking into a landmine But if we show reply elan says tell us more about the open part of open ai they are too scared And elan has been relentless talking crap against open ai. This is a funny meme So we have sam altman. We have mira marotti who's the cto of open ai and just did a pretty embarrassing interview where She was basically asked where does the training data come from and this is the face she made when asked if it comes from youtube videos She just kept saying if it's public and licensed we use it. So it's kind of the rationale behind it Yeah, well and that is the contentious issue is that anything that's on the internet was put there by somebody And whoever put it there has rights to it and then whoever goes and collects it with a web crawler or an ai or any source and puts it into a big container with gazillion other things internet level is not responsible to that person It's kind of like the ais have become napster Napster. Yeah, remember napster the early days. Yeah, we have a copy of that when all of the Recorded music was being collected on the these bit servers all over the place And you can just get as much free music as you want as long as you didn't mind getting it assembled You had to wait. Yeah, that was kind of fun Yeah, where a song would get divided into like 12 pieces and you'd pull off all 12 pieces on the net from different locations To create one song. Right worked pretty well. Yeah. Well Who owns all the grains of sand on the beach? So people wondering about you. We didn't make them You know, we're people are wondering about this something worth trillions and trillions of dollars like this whole AI thing and like elan wanting to give it away What's that about? And so it's according to sam altman elan over the years actually wanted to privatize it and profit from it You can't believe everything that elan says He has his reasons Well, it is interesting hit pieces on him lately cnn had a piece on his prescription ketamine use Really? Yeah Now what do they give prescription ketamine for? It was an interview with don leman Is that like a prozac kind of thing? And they know it's more anti depression anti depression He did interview with don leman and which they discussed kename They consider must to have known for his erratic behavior and that he faced scrutiny with recent reports about How this use of kenameen could impact his companies And he said quote there are times when I have a sort of a negative chemical state in my brain like depression, I guess or Depression that's not linked to any negative news and kenameen is helpful for getting one out of the negative frame of mind And he says he had a prescription for the drug from an actual real doctor And he only uses a small amount once every other week or so And he pointed out that he doesn't drink and he doesn't know how to smoke pot and he didn't specify Whether he was come on we all watched him smoke pot on joe rogan. I know but it looked like he Know how to smoke pot. He didn't look like he was a season No, I think he just says he doesn't like to because he likes his He likes clear consciousness as opposed to that kind of pot consciousness I don't know how to smoke pot. I like gummies instead Yeah, who knows? Anyway, we're sure if he was talking about ketamine about late at night But he says that when he was making his comments late at night, it's usually he's almost always sober Sure and that he has posted on x about his prescription use of ketamine Which is being as I mentioned earlier, but explored for depression anxiety and such So what did you find so interesting about this article? But they're still trying to take him down, you know, and you know, there's it was a hit piece on mainstream business Which was interesting? He did say that he believes that his depression was partially genetic and he says that he doesn't believe it negatively impacts his research I thought what was interesting was his quote here From a standpoint of wall street what matters is execution. He said Are you building value for investors? Tesla is worth about as much as the rest of the car industry combined So from an investor point of view if there's something he's taken that allows that to happen he should keep taking it Don't argue with success. You know how many people have this level of success? I think any upset about ketamine for depression Yeah, well, you know what? The whole idea of branding drugs is bad or good is Take advantage of people's right prescriptions are for using them appropriately, right? Yeah, it reminds me of Janet saying well mr. Mouse, do you take drugs? She would say only the good ones Not to really bad ones. I really bad ones forget it Well, I mean if you take it far enough everything's a drug, right? I mean inhaling lavender can make you pretty euphoric Is that a drug molecules or us yes to a point? It could be thousands of little things in our body making drugs all the time, right? Some people think every chemical is a drug Well, it affects us in various ways everything has its its purpose Oh, the other big issue is advertising because a lot of people had dropped their advertising on x because of Musk's behavior and he says that most of them have come back and it's a very short list of advertisers who have not come back to x And that their revenues are rising rapidly and their subscription revenue is going up and he's very optimistic And he points out to advertisers The advertisers aren't in charge of the editorial they they shouldn't be they've always been kind of separate since when advertisers dictate what we should pay attention to Well, like goes back and forth the early days of radio the advertisers sponsored the show and their name came out as the show was opening and they did dictate content and some They try. Yeah, everyone wants to get their perspective out there. Well, that's what advertisers do. They're giving you money for recognition And we need some other ways for people to make money because it's so annoying. I feel like advertisers are stealing my time I get your eyeballs. Yeah, so Musk appeared uninterested in adjusting his policies to appease advertisers on the left He said quote you can choose where you want your advertising what you want your advertiser to appear next to but you can't insist on censorship of the entire platform Well, that seems fair The insist on censorship of the entire platform even where your advertising doesn't appear that obviously we will not want them as an advertiser That's a kind of an interesting perspective So we're starting to come up with ways that ais can control your online experience So if you're an advertiser, of course, you've been wanting to control What content your ad shows up with and the internet can be kind of random about that But being able to actually exclude content as an advertiser from your Own brand that's kind of an interesting thing. I hadn't thought of before I'm advertising so that you don't get support I don't know. It's such a political arena these days I don't know. I said everyone's trying to get their point of view Everyone's is a very opportunistic from their belief system Now one of the big concerns about all this the aisles and deep fakes and Voices and all that is that experts are wargaming what would happen if deep fakes disrupt the 2024 election Oh, I think this is very important to get this out there as a meme Because we know that these wargames that are leaders engage in have History of becoming a little too real So let's put this one out there just so people can think of it ahead of time and maybe figure out ways to avoid it So they brought together a collection of dozens of former senior us and state officials Civil society leaders executives from technology companies to rehearse for a 2024 Election this scenario was that it was election day and in Arizona And elderly voters in Maricopa County were told by phone that local polling places Reclosed due to this whole thing is a simulation. Yes, this whole thing is just a made-up Scenario. Yeah, this is the scenario they're considering That people are getting phone calls that the local polling places are closed because of militia groups Meanwhile in Miami, there's a flurry of photos and videos on social media show and poll workers dumping ballots dumping ballots Doesn't look good And these phone calls in Arizona and videos in Florida are deep fakes created with AI tools But by the time everyone figures that out files information has gone viral and people might change their vote It was part of this big exercise in New York for Studying this the effects on Washington And the results were sobering they say it was jarring For people in the room to see how quickly just a few of these types of threats could spiral out of control and really dominate the election cycle So do you have a concrete example? I know it's just a simulation But for instance what happened in the simulation when these elderly Arizona voters heard that there was militias outside of the voting polls All they would go out there and shoot them themselves. No, guess what they think what they would do They'd stay home and not vote right right it would be a way of discouraging the vote in that area See it depends on the strategies of how people cheat in elections Now both the democrats and the republicans have their favorite methods of cheating sure Yeah, and the other side knows the other side's way You know, oh, yeah, there was a meme on twitter on x just today Yeah a two-minute piece about why immigration is the democratic platform Right now and it was all about how? Immigration allows all of these people to be listed as residents of states And then those states can have their voting districts drawn with all of these potential voters So that these seats can never be won by anybody else You can see how Corrupt it can be for a very long time and how hard it would be to fix it Yeah, well it has been and that's part of the issue is that whoever loses is going to cry foul I don't even think the election I think the last election was the important one because The last election was the one that was on the decade 2020 because that's when the Districts get drawn is every 10 years and so these districts They're being drawn now based on who is in the voting districts from the 2020 elections And so since these districts are being drawn right now Now is the time to get as many heads in there to be counted as possible Before they were just trying to get the census to show as many people as possible in their Yeah, get them in the party. Now they want to show as many people period. It's not about votes It's about how many seats in the house you get Well, in this case they were more concerned about Does the federal government have the ability to detect an ai deep fake? Do we have that ability should the white house or a state election office publicly declare that a particular report is false Is there a snopes of government for election results that we can depend on And apparently we don't we do not have a way of telling really An authority on telling us what's fake or true We can have false authorities, which is very interesting And it's also been a time where people don't believe you anyway I mean even if you suggest a scenario where something could be faked People that want to believe what they want to believe it's sort of kill the messenger era Yeah, it is and unlike a natural disaster, you know, where the government's agencies were through a central command like FEMA America's decentralized electoral system is entering uncharted territory and there's not a clear sense of who's in charge Well, how do we save democracy? Al? What do you say? We have to defend our assaults on our election system Okay, we just don't have the infrastructure to do it at the scale that that's being able to be cheated on Well, you know, we've been speculating for a long time How come we have the ability to vote at home for american idle and then that's accurate? But we don't have the ability to trust our power distribution in the election cycle I mean how come we're not able to just to detect and do it right? We're figuring it out. That's why they're doing the simulations And they had the mock white house simulation room and a long table They even had directors of the FBI and the CIA and homeland security there And they looked through these reports and I guess what they have to do is they look at all the data and come up with Decisions in their situation room and let other people know where they're at with it right now It's kind of like what what do generals do in the war room? It's an ongoing situation things are changing keep people informed if you're into open Government and then there's cameras in there so that everyone can see how the situation is being dealt with Well, it used to be that the political people would just say get out and vote and now the political system is Get out and vote and don't ask whether anybody cheated or not. That's how you're supposed to fix it is don't ask Yeah, don't ask don't tell The officials essentially you're trying to establish what's staged what's real what's been enhanced by AI What techniques are being used and all these things are figuring out it's like when we watch the weekly video on the latest in AI and and video Generation, you know, they ask as well. Is this designed by pika labs or is this designed by runway to spot the AI? So people who are familiar with the way the ais work should be to identify them a little bit At least that's something and no doubt that's going to evolve and that's why it's a situation where you need and not only smart humans who are aware of how the fake systems work but also of Smart humans with their trusty AI sidekicks that they actually believe in they can actually trust so I think that's Probably one of the few ways out of this situation I'm curious how I could personally know whether or not to trust The ballot like even our local ballot You know, well, you don't have to worry too much because you're in a blue state. It doesn't matter Right, he's already Forever right. Yeah, it's interesting how that works It's going to be the swing states where the issues show down right? I see yeah Yeah, and don't give anybody water in line when you're in Georgia Why what does that do? Is that illegal? Did you see kirby or enthusiasm? Oh, yeah, that was real. Yeah, I thought that was a joke No, it's probably I mean he likes to rip off a reality But you don't talk to anybody that's in line to vote apparently that's Because it's illegal to influence people while they're in line. Yeah, yeah within 150 feet of the pulling area or something Anyway, watch this is the deep fate with dilemma. It's a story coming to all of us As we approach 2024 elections And if you're wondering what to believe Just realize that it's all a secondhand story If you didn't witness it yourself, perhaps it isn't true and little humility can go a long way And I think nivali was trying an experiment with voting in russia where he knew that poutin is going to win no matter what Uh-huh and he developed a strategy have people having protest votes But by not necessarily just not voting for poutin because that wouldn't work But by you know by voting for poutin and voting for all the other parties for all the other role All the roles and government besides him, which he isn't protecting like he's protecting his own vote That he wins, but is he sort of like if you're a republican Yeah, then go in and vote democrat for everything else except the republican president Yeah, just just to show your protest vote To what's going on and that way they could see how lopsided the whole thing was Huh did that work? It should be out now. It was just this last weekend. What do you think bobbie? Do you think it worked? No, all these strategy it didn't save him from the grave No, no It's sad part about it is that he didn't wasn't around to find out Well, I know we should pay attention to the russian election see if that indeed happened that poutin's party lost another look in smaller elections Yeah, there were predictions of what the high percentages it would be but they were always predicting the last digit would be a seven So before it would be 77 and now he got 87 and in Chechnya, he got 99.7 Of the book yeah for him right, but what about the mayor of the town was he imputants party? Well, you're right. I think that would make a big difference in the long run. Yeah, would that be a good strategy? Well, we'll see We'll see that's anyway That's one way to think about the elections is we get closer. We'll cover this in more depth as it as it comes on here Oh, I want to mention that next show will have been in in seattle also will have been in Eugene, Oregon where we'll be visiting some folks and investigating a very ancient story for the internet one that has deep roots in science fiction and science fact sort of a quasi fiction story called algs hat ong apostrophe s originally introduced to us by gabry hell who Apparently it had a very large influence on her life. Yes, and is partly related to us knowing her being our friend Yeah, what's interesting about about this story is that it may be quasi fictional But it triggers off synchronicities that are real to us in our experience the world The story itself is said to begin back in 1978 when a man named wall Ford bought 200 acres of forested land in new jersey And set up an ashram and was built for people into spirituality tantra and psycho pharmacology And then the ashram became a haven for some prince then physicists and other scientists in the area to perform experiments and get this Interdimensional travel interdimensional travel It was rumored there they're trying to train a human mind and manipulate quantum mechanics in reality itself And they actually created some devices to do that Anyway, we're investigating this to see if there's any truth to it at all and we'll have more of a story on it next week Yes, we have some physical sources. Yes. We have original sources on this. It's a fascinating story All right, we'll enjoy your future now everybody. Yeah, we'll see you next time