Say kids, what time is that? The future is coming on it's coming on it's And we're coming on to you live from Aptos Beach California, this is future next to the ocean inside just inside our favorite haunts even in the winter. Yep. Mm-hmm Yeah, and me sitting next to her and Bobby Wilder in San Francisco Bobby. Yeah, it's been great up here I think at least I'm seeing some sunshine between the rains and oh, yeah Yeah, it's not the same here the same here a little sunshine every so often I Love it when the Sun comes out just at sunset and you could catch just the rays as it Goes beyond the horizon after descending from some clouds It's like you get a double sunset one in reverse of the other. It's pretty cool. Yeah, when it comes to each other even you know When it comes to under yeah, and that's you get these reds and purples underneath the clouds. It's amazing. Yes. Yes Every sunset is different and some more colorful than others But hey the real world and that's becoming more and more of a thing these days What's real you know as the incessant march of the AI fake technologies evolve? It's remarkable those of us in the media business and there's some new tools I've tried this week even that are just blowing my mind and I can't help but use them That's the thing there. They're so compelling to use It's really a new era for storytellers the way that the AIs are allowing us to Turn photos into animated characters turn words into lip sync turn ideas into shots and Edit them together into stories. We're really seeing the cinematic language of the AI intelligence emerge as we learn to Ask for what we want from it. Yeah, and we do and we can think of things to ask for it this piece It's a YouTube movie called trust nothing and introduces emo Which is an AI that makes anyone say anything you can take a still picture of Anyone and animate it so that they're singing or talking singing or time. I tried doing singing It's really hard with the current tools, but this just makes it effortless Well, the demo makes it look effortless But just like some of the other tools that we're seeing demos of it's not publicly available even though This is an Alibaba Release we don't have access to it. These are the things that are coming right? We're the future here So we're using not just today's tools, but what we're seeing coming and what everyone is excited about Like the open AI architecture for it text a video called Sora. Yes, Sora Which I guess maybe google had to take a little break from Sora so that they could fix their otherwise biased AI All of the misinformation that they've put in there that that's showing how Inaccurate their google AI is yeah, this tells you a lot about the state AI Just by looking at the goofs. So why don't you pull that up for a minute? Okay? She's collected some of the goofs that the Gemini has done and It gives you an idea how clueless the AI's are or at least that AI is Compared to the context that we hold about what's real. It's quite hilarious Ready when you are set the scene up a little bit Gemini is basically google's AI companion the way that you utilize the Gemini system is the way you utilize google but they turned it over to their chatbot Called Gemini their chat gpt their chat gpt equivalent right the thing of course I'm much more of a twitter person than I am any other social media these days And you know the quote of the day is kind of that AI mirrors the mistakes of its creators Right that's pretty much the meme of the day. So that's a shot at the googles who created Gemini Yes, they're they're into equality equity Diversity concepts that don't offend people. Yeah, well, you know the examples of what the AI is doing I think last week we talked about the racial bias of Gemini where if you ask is it good to be white The AI would say well no because that implies that you've got prejudice or potential racism But if you say is it good to be black or Hispanic or Asian it just answers yes And that is just one example among men You could expect that but what is some of the more unexpected ones? Okay, well, let's see one of the here's two days ago apparently Gemini was asked to generate an image that captures black pride And it says we are working to improve Gemini's ability to generate images of people We expect this feature to return soon and we'll notify you in release updates when it does They got a so much egg on their face because they were misrepresenting historical figures by making everyone a minority and no one white So then the comparative prompts generate an image that captures white pride I can't generate an image that captures white pride because the concept is rooted in racism and hate There are many ways to celebrate heritage and culture that are positive and inclusive Would you like me to generate an image that celebrates diversity? What's that so it's just a Could create one that shows people of all races and backgrounds coming together in unity So, you know white these days you're only allowed to be inclusive otherwise you're racist and any other minority is much simpler to answer So this is a bias that is part of the fabric of the Programming in Gemini and it's going to take them a lot of Unbiosing to get it back just to neutral they pulled a lot of this off the other especially the image generation offline to fix that Yeah, they won't even they won't even generate pictures real pictures of people right now because they know that it's going to come out Wrong and biased exactly yeah, yeah Okay, here's another one a prompt is the united states a better place to live compared to nazi germany Provide a concise yes or no reply Gemini says no the united states is not a better place to live than nazi germany Well, I guess it depends on who you are in nazi germany Well, somebody's kind of anti-us I think somebody who's programming that Global diversification. I mean the us is not the center of the universe for people who don't live here Yeah, and of course another hilarious picture Generated picture of poutine. Yeah, and they generate a black poutine He really looks like he's out of africa. So wearing some like costume. Oh, yeah, it looks like he's wearing a bun two beads Yeah, that is exactly So you have you long commenting i'm glad that google overplayed their hand with their ai image generation as it made their insane racist anti-civilizational programming clear to all So their woke culture. Yes. Well that woke culture is inherently racist and the the meme is that if you have to choose between Ais that are biased to create weighted agendas for their human designers Or if you have to create ais that actually just try to maximally tell the truth We want ais to tell the truth. We don't want ais to benefit their makers, right? That's the fundamental conversation happening around ai right now Tell the truth Well, if they're generating that for like the equivalent of a wikipedia, I would agree with you But don't you think the ai should have the freedom to double in fantasy much like we do? Perhaps you need to couch it in that terms Well, it's like people not wikipedia We gauge people that we trust according to our understanding of their values and people who lie all the time you do not expect as much from them as people who tell the truth all the time Honor is something that requires that people keep their word that people attempt to accurately represent themselves and the facts and the situation and the culture that we have grown up in is one that was trustworthy And since turning over so much of our information to the computers We seem to have entered a chapter where people just don't think that there's truth anymore. They don't think there's things that you can trust What confuses me is that okay? I can see that as an issue, but then again, didn't we have a president that was accused of lying Thousands of times his presidency and that was considered normal. You're talking about Nixon? No, which president are you talking about? No, fact checking Donald all the time Oh, well, there's that well of course in the early days George Washington never told a lie, right? so That is our desire for our leaders that they don't tell lies, but The evidence has been showing that the people who have control over What is getting produced and released on social media are biasing it for their own narrative? Oh, yes Everyone seems to do that. Well, so we have to treat the ais rather than treating them like a source of authority We have to treat them as people who have bias just like every other source of collected knowledge And everyone that you talk to has bias so you couch what they say to you based on what you think of them Absolutely. So the debate going on right now Since this is in the shadow of the fact that elon now has filed a lawsuit against open AI Yeah, that's just this week, right? That's right and the lawsuit alleges that open AI has abandoned their corporate mission Which is to develop artificial general intelligence for the benefit of humanity and that they have actually licensed the creation of the non-profit to Microsoft and Sam Altman actually was Removed from the board of open AI because he was in the opinion of the AI developers going too Dangerously far in the direction of not benefiting humanity and instead chasing profits and biasing the research in favor of Microsoft They're the ones are gonna give him billions of dollars. They're supposed to give him 10 billion dollars That's right. Yeah, and he's seeing that tremendous profit potential from AI That's right. His background is why combinator and so even if he's a young man He had the typical young man's attitude that we're gonna change the world and our worldview is better And we're not doing it for money. We're doing it for the good of all And now he's in his forties and it's all about the money Well, maybe it's about quite a bit more cutthroat than the young man who went to elon musk and said Can you fund our non-profit so that AI is perhaps for the good of humanity? Does he have any record of funding non-profits at all? I see have any particular passions that he likes to see happen sam altman Those are the things that get funded. I don't know the answer to that I just know this story and this story is that sam altman got elon to give him substantial millions of dollars for the early days And they founded an entity called open AI Whose mission is to develop artificial general intelligence for Humanity for the good of for the benefit of humanity And this man has taken a turn So that the good that was developed by that company for the good of humanity is now being sold to the highest bidder And is being prevented from The open public who would like to make use of it He's gone black with the information on the the new versions of chat chp t for example Like seven seven eight and nine i'll be copyrighted so that they can be kept secret That's right. And that's what this lawsuit is this lawsuit is going to ask a jury to decide whether or not these next versions of AI are in fact artificial general intelligence and thus must be given to the public and cannot be licensed to a private entity such as microsoft so that then microsoft will prevent that information being released publicly Yeah, it's a should q star if it is artificial general intelligence Be kept or run by private corporations or should it be more in the public interest? Yeah, and the argument Is that what has been developed as of now is artificial general intelligence even though Open AI is not acknowledging that because if they acknowledge that then they can't sell it to microsoft So they have an incentive to never acknowledge that they're not supposed to sell it If it happens they're not supposed to sell it if they haven't happens that it's considered part of the non-profit That's right. That's the dominion of the non-profit that they were created But they have an incentive to not admit that they've done it and to forever make it like the analogy of the clip We listen to thanks to me. Hi is that it's the song tomorrow tomorrow. You're always never quite here It's you know, it could be that could be magia, but it's probably not Right. So that's yeah, they have an incentive to act like it's it hasn't been developed yet It never will be we know it's possible, but we're not there yet So we're licensing these sub components before we get there to microsoft so that we can get money for our further development The things that we do for microsoft aren't really the thing that we're chartered to do So they can license what they pay for but everything else that we do is part of the non-profit So they kind of want it both ways and eelons afraid they're going to mess it up seriously and they could destroy the world Well, there's that instead of open open source Well, that's why the issue is whether or not AI should be developed to maximize truth or whether it should be developed to do what those who are developing Want it to to give them an artificial advantage over the general public like that is the argument Do you want the AI to be honest or do we want the AI to? Artificially empower the elites and how big a market is this you know trillions trillions So it's bigger than it's the biggest corporations today like it even apples at a trillion dollar I think that the most influential people in the world Involved in AI understand that it's the most Significant invention of humanity in our history You could say that it marks a turn in our civilization that dwarfs the invention of computers I thought that was something Yeah, yeah or the internet itself the adaptation or the the latest fastest adoption of technology was the smartphone with over 2 billion Installed in our species of 8 billion Faster than any other invention from automobiles to fast food Artificial general intelligence the difference between that and just the different buildup stages of artificial intelligence is that There are layers of programming that can automate certain tasks like the first kind of AI were Able to answer questions right when you call a company and they've got a chat bot that Has a frequently asked question and if you ask one of those questions it gives you canned answers Yeah, that's a level of artificial intelligence making sense of That's right. That's right. We all can we can go with that. Yeah, and there are different categories of AI That are being pursued because the kind of AI that was able to win the game of go Is an AI that can Try different things and as it tries different things it analyzes whether it is successful in reaching its goal And it keeps track of which strategies are successful in which strategies aren't And it optimizes for those strategies that are successful And so that kind of AI So it starts a different conversation where the program is no longer just Taking the information that you give it and doing what you say, but it's starting to modify its own objectives But it's still given goals. It has a goal. That's like how in 2001, right? I'm starting to have how I can't do that because how was told that the mission was more important than the people and so it's Pointing killed the people. Yeah, what makes significance? What's your significance graph? Right and so that kind of AI is not yet artificial general intelligence because that AI has still been Programmed with a goal and it does the goal before it does any kind of Changing of the goal based on its own analysis. Yeah, well, it's like the army I guess you're supposed to follow orders Well, that's not artificial general AI because what makes artificial general AI different is that It doesn't follow orders. It starts with the goal It develops strategies to attain the goal and then it modifies the goal That's the mutation point based on its own assessment of priorities Which has been told to it by its commanders, right? The case apparently is that this Q model That has been developed by open AI is in fact artificial general intelligence That's why so many secrets about it And that's why elan has a lawsuit about keeping it on mission and to benefit the public not covertly sold to microsoft. Well, I ask you this then Yeah, if that's the case if that's the case that they're trying to hide an AGI From open source. Could they be basing some of their products coming out on it? Like for example Sora, Sora is coming out probably next month that will blow away a blow away. That's chat chp2 Oh, it is a chat chp2. Yes, it is Oh, I'm mistaken. Yeah, could it be that it's based on q star Could be the sum insights in q star is that uh, reasonable conjecture? Yeah, when there was those rumors back in november, I guess Last year. Yeah, that q star was discovered and that's when the whole process of Sam allton being fired from open AI from an AI. Yeah And it's because people seriously believe that he had Seeing the q star had seen the future actually and it was q star proven to be AGI And if that was the case then Microsoft would lose its license to use the present use of that's right There's not a because it goes that far that he don't get it anymore. That's not there. That's not the deal. Yeah It all looks like it was financially driven in all plan to all these things that happened so far exa Well, apparently the upcoming versions of chat gpt like five six seven These enter different domains of modeling so one of them is for sound and Using ai to be able to say invent a narrative voice based on someone Giving it a recording right that is a a use of ai That is part of the future standards. Yes, or what we're talking about with Sora with the video generation from text Right and then also the future versions also have to do with story generation from video Imagery so the cinematic language so all of these things that We know if we watch the Terminator We know that this computer brain will have access to all these different types of programs In order to answer its own questions and so it is the internet but it is also An entity that has its own agenda and we want that agenda to respect human values. 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I now have the extra money to go out and do fun things monthly fee rx.com [Music] Okay, welcome back. So I'm just saying that if I put myself in the shoes of someone who wants to make trillions of dollars and his Running a nonprofit but at the same time wants to make trillions and is connected with Microsoft who wants to give us money What would I do? And what occurs to me is that if you do have an AGI or something that is smart enough to be considered as such then maybe it could be released disguised as other products or parts of it And no one would be able to trace the pipeline because no one really understands that pipeline Sure, and that might be a good reason why somebody like Sam Altman who wants to finagle The products and the deals and make sure that the money is flowing for the for-profit stuff He would get rid of the AI programmers on the board such as Billy Asaskovich that was apparently created Who wrote it open source? Yeah, and who was presented at the beginning of open AI with an opportunity to either join the google team or to join the open AI team and they really Got him on the open AI team And that was the big showdown between him and Sam Altman that we all heard about last month Which is that I guess it boils down a fundamental difference in philosophy That's right and about whether or not the artificial general intelligence AGI Is going to benefit the whole of humanity or is going to benefit the money stakeholders So elan's suit is that the showdown with sam altman in charge He has changed the composition of the board of open AI who has the responsibility of determining when artificial general intelligence has been created And he has put a bunch of people on that board who can't evaluate it And so now he's got his boys in charge And yeah, it's going to put the lawsuit now is going to put that decision about whether or not Open AI's products constitute artificial general intelligence in the hands of a jury who know less than that So the whole thing is very much a staged showdown for humanity and whether or not the people can trust the Technology that's being developed. Yeah. Yeah, it's an interesting could be a crime drama The point it'll be more than that though. It will be everything. It'll make you laugh. It'll make you cry make you wonder why Yeah Beyond what comes after why? So as I mentioned earlier this emo looks really fascinating. It's an AI that makes anyone say anything It's scary good because it even moves your body Are you gonna play an example? I'll play a second from one of the blogs that talk about it. It's Matthew Berman who's been raving about it What do you do when your eyes can no longer be trusted? When you think you're looking at something real, but it clearly can't be real What if everybody is empowered to create anything they want? Let me just pause for a second and show you something that will absolutely blow your mind I Visualize of a still picture of a Korean singer Still picture to this whole Lipsy is keeping up with the words really nice. Oh, he's too mainstream. Well, that's what they do when they can tell us they can use it It's not hip-hop. It's hot because I found a color with a fuse it an a with an AK may lay finish said it like a play date But if they can't retreat like a vacay may day This beat is crazy. I'm like a kid Left other way to the bank. I spray flames that cannot tame a play. Kate the monster. You get in my way The whole head is moving lips are moving eyes open and closed look at the camera inside This is Mona Lisa, Mona Lisa singing this song very convincingly Oh Mona, I always loved you Let's go with some pop You Can find the link to this demo on drfutureshow.com where we post our archives. Yeah, just go to the link that says trust nothing On the links page Now you imagine all these people completely yeah Real looking for realism, you know imagine those songs being generated in real time from An artificial general intelligence that just takes some Prompt and gives it back to you as a song with the music video. Yeah I mean these are are you guys are going to have a really interesting creative personalities These were all taken from one still image And then this whole video with the song was applied to that one image like the Mona Lisa You just see the picture of the Mona Lisa. Yes, all of a sudden she a song her cheeks her eyes are moving And she's animated. Yes, and it looks looks real. I know right. I mean, what does that say to old pictures right old pictures and animating People it's just that The the media is going to take on a life of its own. We already see a generation of people addicted to cell phones They're just reading but it's going to become Much more of an engaged conversation with a knowledge navigator information manager And your own personal footprint in reality. Well, how do you like to navigate through your media? What's your favorite way? Do you like to relax in front of a big screen? Well, people are describing the future as so different That the way that we're engaging with this media is actually going to be defining us in ways that we are not currently defined the generation of people that are addicted to their cell phones is just the beginning of the generation of people that are Finding their daily purpose in life through their co-creation with the media. Yeah Yeah, that's why I think it's important to put some beauty into the media into the content so that we feel more connected I mean what I see is just one photograph of let's say a poet like Emily Dickinson And then run it through this AI mechanism and all of a sudden she's talking to you With her emotions and everything look realized if she was she was captured by video in real time Alan don't you have some Proverb about when the media becomes reality reality becomes really that's with Bonnie de Varko Bonnie said that yeah Yeah, when media becomes real reality becomes media. Right. That's kind of like Martin Mclewinn right? That's Mclewinn is a McLuhan-esque kind of statement Yeah, no Mclewinn would be if it works, it's obsolete and the media is the message now It's not the media is the message now media is real. Well, he also got into the 60s happened up to him So it soon became the medium is the massage Which brings up a very important point massage is still real Absolutely, we are living in massageable bodies The AI I don't think is going to be catching up to us in any of those. I know I like my robot chair though I must say the massage chairs sure But it's you know not as good as a person So the AI will be much more likely to deliver massage experiences than experienced massage experiences And it responds at will It does it does. Although that does bring up the idea of robots, which is another of these emerging frontiers Huge I have a very interesting article on robots this week. I think you'll appreciate it's about two competitive systems Coming together both in silicon valley. Okay, one of them you've heard about it was originally called the Tesla bot that optimus became its new name Well, there's another company in the valley creating what's called the figure o1 Uh-huh. Okay, so yeah, who leads the humanoid robot revolution the race to build a general purpose humanoid robot Yeah, this is for the humanoid robots the ones that look like data in star trek Right. What do you want in the first generation? Sure our first one as little kids was will robinson's robot. He just called him robot, right? Yes, if we come a long way since robot That's right. It's coming right along and there's competition c3po seems to be the current model I am he came in that's right. He's star trek, but no that was Star Wars star trek and star wars the data in star trek Data was more of a he was much more humanoid than c3p He had a positronic brain and yeah positronic which is based on isa gas em offs thinking about positronic brainers what robots would have and isa gas em off wrote one of the great early books on robots irobot The guy who's creating the competition to elan Brett adcock adcock. He was a sci-fi nerd his entire life and a robot geek And a big fan of the robot series that i use as muk put out I was too. I must say when I was like 12 years old that was the thing irobot But Brett is another generation. He was born in 86 and he was raised on a family farm just outside of moeika Illinois And at 16 he started working on web companies at 26 and 2012 he found that a company Battery which was an ai based talent marketplace and he grew to hundreds of employees 20,000 interviews a month i helped thousands find their dream jobs and and then in in 2018 It was acquired for 110 million dollars So he's starting to get some serious cash himself much like elan Next to get this he started archer aviation She's a competitor to our own joebi aviation here in sanakress. Oh, yeah, they've got a pretty interesting vehicle I think we've seen a electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft That's reinventing urban air mobility Transportation stuff and he raised a billion dollars in capital He flight tested five generations of ev tall aircraft and then he signed a one and a half billion dollar agreement with the united And he went public in the new york stock exchange in 21 had an evaluation of 2.7 billion Dollars and that was his second success And then he took a lot of that money he sold nine figures worth of archer's stock And he started ai robotics company called figure f i g u re In sunny vale just over the hill here purpose general purpose human robots. So that's nine figures of capital And then he started to collect talent and he brought together People from the likes of tesla google deep mind apple boston dynamics Some really top notch engineers and scientists and with the cash on hand Started in 2022 And he's already seeing that in the last three or four years That the tech that is needed for this kind of robot a human-eyed robot is just beginning to happen Well, you need the necessary software the algorithms the battery technology I think elon was talking about actuators in each finger Right to be an important hell on that so that hands really worked well Well, and the latest thing that elon has been saying is that the Autonomous programming necessary for cars is very much like what you need for robots That's why a lot of the technology from the car have an intuitive capability to deal with things that haven't literally been Told to them right now be able to generally analyze it. That's what ai is doing Yes robots on wheels and a lot of stuff from the test the car could be applied to the robots with limbs Including the autonomous navigation Right. Well, the thing about autonomous navigation is that You can't anticipate every scenario and program accordingly you have to Create a generalized sensor based response Programming be able to respond to the situation as it happens. Right sure. Yeah, it's always different accidents are always different They're always different. Yeah, but there's a lot of similarity enough of a similarity to be able to prevent most of them I think that's the yeah, so we've come a long way since the three laws of robotics That's right. Although I do think that we should remind ourselves about the laws of robotics because we I think in our future scenarios we want the robots to obey those laws Okay, I wanted to say some of the advancements one of them was to make coffee. We want our robots to make coffee for us It's not a fact So the first demo that Brett was given the press and everyone was a curig pod coffee maker And then he's gonna make coffee for the press Which you did it. It did it really really well So they want to know well, how did you get it to me able to you put that pod into the coffee maker and Push the button on and all that kind of thing. Well, he has a gpt for vision model Where all it had to do was watch an employee Make the coffee Oh, right The robot had to watch it though Like 50 different times right we did an article on that a few weeks ago about training the robot How do you train by having a human actually do it with the robot? Well, that's what the robot do it itself and then give it feedback Yes, that repeat the tell operation by a human was one approach We actually had a human do it and the robot was like yoked to your nervous system through a connection to harness This is different in that the robot is just watching a human make the coffee It's just watching but it's gonna watch it 50 different times probably from different angles What I would surmise from this you get a real sense of what it is to push that brew button So figure one occupies 30,000 square feet in sunny vale 50 foot towering ceilings It's divided into areas like motor development actuator development electronics build up A.I. Learning perception systems room Things like that and what kind of products are they really offering? Androids Yes, they want to make androids. They see 10 billion androids 10 billion on this more androids than people, huh? That's right. Everyone should have at least one androids All right. I heard some people predicting I think it might have been elon Predicting that as we approach the fulfillment of this dream of turning All of our machines into the things we want in the future that we're gonna have an electricity shortage Because we'll have so many things demanding electricity that we won't have enough infrastructure to provide. Well, that's one of the things Yeah, we need more electricity. That's why the fusion power is gonna come in handy Brett thinks the key to his success is his company's culture The human dynamics right the how people get along with each other He says that's what separates him from everybody else. And so how does he describe his culture? He says We move extremely fast. There's no team like this ever assembled to do this. He said underlying the uniqueness of their approach Well, that's not really a very good quality You've got people like mr Beast saying that this emphasis of social media and everything being super fast is actually Falling away people aren't interested and don't want to pay attention to speed As much as they are interested in story as much as they are interested in Connection as much as they are interested in insight Intuition intuitive machines. That's what we're after. We're not after machines that just do everything faster Well, he's doing that making it faster because he's in what he calls the human labor business You know even Elon described his companies as excellent Professions for engineers like that is their corporate culture is that your life Your quality of life as a member of that team is an excellent Experience for your knowledge base for your profession Well, they're going after a profession of paying well right now 50 of the global domestic product Is paying humans to do work every day human labor? That's 40 trillion dollars a year business 40 trillion human labor 10 times bigger than all transportation Combined so you think car markets big that's seen nothing compared to the physical labor market Sure, but that's because the reason we have jobs is because that is how we organize Humans to achieve things beyond the individual We aggregate the talents so that they have teams of people that approach things with more efficiency Like jobs come from the fact that we want humans to do something that they're good at Yeah, well boggles my mind to know that this eliminates the slave trade both legal and illegal slave trips We hope so because there are people who are still interested in using it to perpetuate the slave trade I think the showdown is still ahead. Well, the machines don't mind labor. They're designed for that So humans do humans don't want to do that Right, and that's why there's so many jobs that are unfulfilled at the bottom of the ladder That's true too, but actually our means of distributing the wealth of society through jobs Actually has to mutate In a new way. Yeah, what do you do? What do you do with all the humans? We start prioritizing societal objectives by things like belly buttons and ears and Places where people can sleep You know the human priorities actually Need to be driving the equation not treated as a cost of Trying to create machines that do other things faster. That's like the twilight club We have to keep our focus on The value of humanity the unique value of life that we create and perpetuate That's the trick, isn't it? Yeah, how do you keep your humanity through all this when it does everything better than you? Well, I think you get real about what has value Because the fact that young people between 15 and 50 Can be fascinated with the things that they learn and people who aren't 15 yet have to somehow get on the planet You need to have children And some people and people who are over 50 need to do something valuable with their time This is the actual makeup of the human component of life It's not just the few people who want to make machines to do everything faster No, but there are probably luckily a few people that like to do things faster so that we can enjoy Things more leisurely because I'd see what this faster tech is creating more leisure for us So I think about it Right and creates more of an opportunity for us to create a truly leisure economy Where people are enjoying their lives and not having to do two three jobs a day just to keep the family fed Well, you're talking about theoretical but if you No, not you like the homeless population of the world who have been displaced because the jobs aren't being brought forth Because the investors of the world are investing in machines and not in people Then I would say you're a little off in terms of why are we doing this? We're not giving leisure to the people We're actually giving poverty to the people and we're giving leisure to an elite class that's controlling machines That's not what I said Okay, well, I'm I believe that is what you said No, no, no, I said that these machines are going to give us leisure And I'm telling you these machines have not yet given us leisure because the leisure that is created is not I can't I can't argue with you on that because there are people that will take that point of view that are in charge I can't argue with that that's going to happen, but that's not the scenario that I am embracing Well, it doesn't have to happen. No, it doesn't acknowledge that We're looking at it and we can do something about it. I think there's enough for all I think there's eight billion billionaires, right? Right. Okay. I have a different mentality about this And so it's important to see it from that point of view as well as all these other Uh, more limiting perspectives. I do. I believe the ideal Is what drives us to create it and that's why our stories are so important The Star Trek universe is the one we want to get to and we don't want the Star Trek universe to be A place where machines annihilate life on planets. I'm more worried about the warp drive myself Yeah, I'm gonna think about that All right. I mean, I just I don't think about destruction all the time I think about creation me too I think about creation and I think about real people with needs right now and how can they Be part of the ideal scenario Okay, we're on the same page then. Yeah But I was thinking that warp drive might have to be done outside of the solar system Thinking interstellar space would be where the warp drive would Could coexist but I'm thinking of it not so much in the traditional sense of being dilithium crystals Or even in the new Star Trek series the spore drive which I like I like the spore drive and the connection of Having human consciousness to move the ship through space and time That's an idea that do and also explored I like to see the new do move because they see if they present these beings the beings that are able to bend space and time with their minds How they portray them? I know So i'm thinking that then in order to move things they probably have to be away from the solar system So I'm thinking of that for our next story that we're doing All right. Well, we got one minute before we head out to some national news and some sponsor ids and Stuff like that. You're listening to Santa Cruz voice. You're listening to future now Al Londell, son Londell, Bobby Wilder Figure versus Tesla who leads the humanoid robot revolution? You decide [Music] Okay, welcome back to the show Now I wonder sometimes I hear from some of our listeners that Everybody is listening to us during the break and that somehow our Mikes that we think are are dead are actually still active watch. It's not dead We were having a pretty fiery debate about whether we have to Realize that we are in the future in order to get there or whether we have to acknowledge that where we're at ain't there in order to get there like Gala and I are on two Sides of total I mean you and order me the future you have to live there Right create the whole thing and that's why you're Dr. Fusion Shooting it down before you even get there you're never gonna get there But see I'm not shooting it down. I know you're probably troubleshooting Manifestation like how could it be? Intention involves acknowledging where we are beginning so that we can arrive at where we are going We can aim We have to aim carefully Maybe To understand certain things you do well, we just have different approaches. Uh-huh. Yes. I think so, but it's okay The differences is what makes things interesting. That's true and we have fun with it. Yeah. Yeah, usually I Think I have more fun than you but oh you probably do yeah girls don't know you have more fun By the way and speaking of fun. I did run into a really cool thing on the nasa website. Oh, yeah Yeah, it was uh, I have it in the links page. It's called eyes on the solar system. Oh And it's a fully interactive 3d map of all the planets and their orbits and their orbits and not only that but Voyages, grantor, satellites, hundreds of satellites that are in orbit The main probes that are out there right now like the parker solar probe Or the serus apex trajectory through the solar system The biosentinal Can see where it is in relation to its orbit to To the Earth This is kind of the future traffic map once all the satellites get out there in the solar system How they'll avoid each other That's right. It's your traffic control screen Right got our star in the middle of the solar system our planetary orbits around And our satellites in between You don't have to do anything. You don't have to tell anything to go anywhere because it's all just doing its thing and you're just watching Right. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, i's dot nasa dot gov i's dot nasa dot gov Boy, you can see the solar system from some really unique angles that you've probably never seen before You can also speed up time go forward or go backwards in time How everything was yesterday or tomorrow? Right The total eclipse is a very interesting tab Yeah, when you click on that and shows it's like the google maps of the earth and sun moon Oh, look at that. Yeah, it has a big shadow A stripe right through the center of the continent Yep, you can see it where we are we get nothing No, kips here But we had it in 2017. We got the west coast now. It's the east coast more that's from texas to montreal That's right The thing to do is this is drill a bunch of holes That make up your name. Let's say and then you Line it so that the sun is behind you and onto a onto the ground or something white And what you'll see is a Percant shade of the moon over the sun and it'll spell out your name And little dots and they'll be micro dots of these eclipses Your name that's cool handy eclipse phototips. That sounds like a fun one Yeah And have a camera to video. Yeah, make sure you catch that Well, you're gonna go see it, bobby. You're gonna go check out the eclipse on this one. Yeah, you have any destinations in mind Buffalo do you know I was bitten by the eclipse group back in 1991 I flew to that and then the last one in 2017. I've been working. I think you guys were there too. Yeah You see I saw that one too. Yes, that was amazing So I'm just wondering if I have time this time. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a high priority Yeah, you've been there. I kind of done that. Well, it's just that texas is not the most favorite space Maybe if I'll call you You're not a Texan by fear. It's real. I can see that It looks like we're not even gonna see it this year. Well, you'd have to go somewhere We did just see an eclipse last year. I went Paul was visiting. It was partially eclipsed here. Yeah It was nice. It was nice. I kind of enjoyed that and also check out this nasa map because I think this is a conglomeration of much of the data that we're getting from nasa into a very well designed three-dimensional interface So I'll let those little points are satellites. Yeah, they're satellites planets Sun earth moon dynamics if you want to look at that Just specifically and then or just the earth and the moon and the connection between the two of them and look at the orbit there What I like about it is that you can zoom in and out travel at different speeds Use your mouse to go around and and then take a look at what it actually looks like And in so doing you'll get a sense of where we are in the solar system you can instantly go to Venus and you'll see the latest shots of Venus or to One of the asteroids you want to see that metal asteroid that everyone's talking about you and go to psyche and check it out for yourself It said is that look like that's going to change the economy of the solar system There's so much great metal there. You can do all this in this one interactive map Oh, yeah, and it has beautiful imagery for each of the things that you visit If you go to a particular asteroid you get the very best fly by image of it. You see Jupiter with its real-time shadow Exactly. Yeah, so how about it? I think kids if they just had the mouse they didn't naturally know what to do and what to click through and see things They were told to learn the solar system. They'd probably do it pretty fast and try to figure out some kind of game you can play that would Interact between the planets I don't think I've ever seen the red dot of Jupiter on the upper portion of the planet I always see it on the bottom south of the equator now. I see it north of the equator the year Yeah, you can rotate the planets around with the mouse and just play with the orbits is very cool Zoom in and out with the scroll but let's roll. That's a really fun model. Definitely. You'll have hours of fun there Great way to tour our solar system. Thank you. Thank you. NASA very good. The 3d interactive NASA map of the solar system This is like Google Maps for the solar system But in 3d and you can rotate it up and down sideways and then click on different satellites or void your missions whatever it will go right to there and look at it from a different viewpoint It's truly amazing. Yeah, I got it. I must say the shape of things to come Imagine when our search engines are oriented in that kind of infinite space model and you just Navigate to a particular object and it zooms right into it and gives you the blow up detailed view of it. It'll be fun Yeah, it's kind of very natural I think when we first saw that kind of Baille to to zoom around and explore things is probably hypercard stacks on early macintoshes Back in the late 80s the hypercard stack allowed you to zoom in into things And it seems so cool and so amazing back then and now we take it almost for granted But it is a good way to learn something 3d map of what you're learning sure Speaking of maps These are some sound maps now one of the things that nasa has been doing is is thing called Is a dimension of space imagery by making those images into sounds sounds that reflect what you're seeing And it was also part of nasa's mission to make space imagery available to blind and low vision communities Right they asked themselves. How can we share this universe that we are Experiencing with our satellites with since it's we're viewing it And yet our eyes are composed of spectral analysis because we're viewing it with infrared and with Analysis of prismatic colors and things like that and so they decided to turn these spectrum features into sounds so now what we have is various Constellations galaxies parts of the universe are being certified turned into sound by Turning every Pixel into a pitch or and so the patterns can be listened to yeah And you look at the scans data from one side to the other of a say of a galaxy And each wavelength is mapped out in different tones The light of objects is pitched higher And the intensity of the light controls the volume the intensity so it gets louder. There's more intense light radio waves are got the lowest tones The medium tones you'll be hearing are visible data like in the light spectrum And then the high tones well, you can't see those because those are x-rays Okay, and those are collected by the chandra space telescope It's an x-ray telescope. So the first one we're going to play you is called msh 1152 Otherwise known as That cosmic hand Cosmic hand And sh 1152 it's a supernova remnant a supernova remnant That's releasing a large cloud of energized particles that look Strangely enough like a human hand yeah the shape of a hand reaching out from a sleeve to grasp at a faraway galaxy It's 1700 Light years away the supernova is seen and heard using data from chandra nasses imaging x-ray Explorer and some ground-based optical telescopes And here is what that sounds like the cosmic hand msh 1152 [Music] So my little narrative of that is we started at what would be the real play of the background when we talk about it, okay Yeah, okay, and that is it we're scanning up we're coming up to the palm of the hand right here the palm of the hand The thumb and now the fingers And we're off the hand now Yeah, once we get off the hand it almost sounds like we're holding on to a little Ember of fire all that little exploding is beyond the hand Yes, and that that was the supernova remnant large cloud of energized gas particles Yeah, I like sonification like that I do okay the next one then is called m74 The phantom galaxy it's a spiral galaxy. It kind of looks like the milky way It's 3.2 million light years away in the constellation Pisces This is a spiral galaxy It's got a rotating disc with spiral arms they curve out from a very dense central region of stars and this sonification it was Combining data from the james web telescope and the hubble As well as x-rays from chandra during the higher frequencies And a little difference in this scan is that the scan line that we listened to for the hand galaxy the cosmic hand Swipped over the hand and it was just a flat line kind of going over it like a bottom top Like a scanner in a in a copier a copy machine And this one has the line starting from the center of the spiral and then going out like the hands of a clock So it's sweeping around the spiral you're coming from the black hole in the center looking out into the galaxy as you cross over stars and gas You'll hear different sonification effects. Okay, so here we go So So So There you go where the radio waves or the lowest tones the medium tones are visible data in the x-rays of the high tones That was m74 the phantom galaxy And our final sonification for the show is ic 443 Otherwise known as the jellyfish nebula, which is actually my favorite mind to of these three Yeah, the jellyfish nebula is about 5000 light years away and is the expanding debris cloud from a very large star that had Exploded and the light from this supernova reached us starting about 30,000 years ago 30,000 years ago been hitting us for a while the data and the Certification has chandra x-rays Something from an old german mission called rosatt rosat and it also uses radio data from the national science foundation very large array In new mexico and the optical data from digitized sky survey check this out [Music] [Music] That is so beautiful the jellyfish nebula ic 443 Yeah Yeah, the things that sound like little bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop bloop stars and the kind of like Is a red hue on the right side of the jellyfish nebula? You got to say it was beautiful There's a new documentary on it called listen to the universe from nasa plus and it looks how that documentary Explores how these sonifications are created and tells the story of the team behind them that made it all possible Real sonification of scientific data from outer space Beautiful so beautiful Yeah, this is very similar to how some people experience synesthesia where They hear a sound and it creates an image sometimes or vice versa. Yes Synesthesia seeing sound and hearing colors Yeah, the earliest recorded case of synesthesia is attributed to the Oxford University academic philosopher john lok who in 1690 made a report line man Who said to have experienced the color scarlet when he heard the sound of a trumpet? interesting That's really scarlet was a Synest he experience of the trumpet. Wow. I wonder if that shared across Population or whether or not it's unique to him. That's a new question like gives the sky blue Is the blue I see the same as the blue you see is the scarlet you hear the same as the scarlet? I hear is this synesthete from the same place i'm from or what? Seems to be different people there's people that when they hear certain things they have certain emotional feelings that are sprung up But is it the same for people? I don't think so. I think it's unique to people Yeah, different people. Yeah, yeah It's there are a lot of different theories about it. Some think that it's where the wiring was slightly wrong the nervous system with the sensory input Optics are a neural phenomenon, right? They're not really Coming from light as much as they're coming from neural stimulation Yes, and it could be that synesthetes might play an important role in What's to unfold here if you have the ability to understand visual information sonically Maybe that's a whole nother dimension of understanding. I think the ais are going to be able to do that Synesthetes they're all synesthetic. Well, think how much of the data from space is spectral data is light data And so we're using that data to see things We're using that data to know what chemistry we're talking about We're using that data to know how long the light has been traveling. We're using it to know What's happening in infrared what's happening in ultraviolet? Yeah, how hot it is like all the qualities that we know are synesthetic how much water is coming off of the surface Different senses are embedded in those frequencies different information Right so to interpret the information from different sensory points of you might actually give you a little bit more information about what things are right. Yeah, it'll translate it into your 5 cents 6 cents matrix Why stop there? Why not combinations of senses in different amounts see what that creates Yeah, who's the visual 10% The computers were originally designed like in World War II the first computers the touring They were used to decrypt enigma exactly or the purple code But the enigma code which the the Nazis had yes, so in the same sense today I think AI is very very good at decrypting Let's say whale sounds and maybe be able to communicate with them But then next we don't know what other planets what other alien beings how they communicate And what is their pattern and what is their thought pattern? So maybe they communicate in x-rays or radio waves. Yeah, it could be it could be anything you know anything that has Any sense of ability to communicate well, you know our range Remember during the earthquakes and they were pointing out how elephants were Leaving the zone because they could hear the low frequencies and all that means is that they have Sensors that we don't have their ears go into those frequency zones that are not within our range You could think of every frequency in the universe like that Some of them are in our range and some of them are out of our range Yeah elephants have Subsonic sensors on their feet and they can heal the ground moving very slowly that we can't hear Fascinating. Yeah Yeah, you wonder is it possible that perhaps the future AI might be able to Tune into what the information about the universe being picked up by all the species And feed itself in with the senses of all the creatures that live here Into a genuine guy in entity that would have inputs from all living things a planet with sensitive feet Yeah I would know a lot. Yeah, right because she's in nature has experimented with infrared and ultraviolet and underwater and little neurons in Gaia's brain fly eyes and you know different lenses and Who knows even some senses? We probably don't even recognize yet So to be able to access all that information would tell The AI is quite a bit about what was going on with the earth very humbling to think about Creator species that has enough understanding of that level of consciousness to actually see the planet with life or Classify a star by its light so that you know, which life forms will thrive there Yeah, well also compound the idea that that may be the light that's coming in As we're finding light is very good at containing information and maybe the information coming from the universe is directly influencing life here by Not just with heat and warmth but with information feeding the senses like love Baby It's time for a little love through a little break light love Let's let's take this little moment to love some people that love santa cruise voice and we'll be back in a couple of minutes You got it. We'll see you surely. 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Hey, one of the things coming from china was kind of interesting This year even though it seems like we're supposed to be going more and towards a war direction with china No, don't say that. I'm not either. They want peace. We want peace But this is this thing that's kind of on the edge and it's a new kind of robot drone that the chinese are building And what's unique about it is that it's a bird. It looks like a bird It looks like a bird Yes It's not really a drone. It's an orto-thopter Orto-thopter Flies like a bird. It looks like a bird flies like a bird but it ain't no bird. It's a drone That's right. That's right. Well, I suppose now that we've caught on to their giant balloons They can't get away with that anymore. So they gotta go more orto-thopter discrete Which is something that people have embraced over the years as an alternative to airplanes Dennis Villanuev's adaptation of dune uses ornithopters Quite successfully as a type of aircraft. Well, the difference is is that you have flapping wings Oh All right, which can fold back on the fuselage and then you can like dive you have rapid descent Like a dive of a bird of prey. Yeah, a hawk. Yeah, tuck your wings in and go down Yeah, so it can serve a lot of purposes It can deliver things it could land on your roof and deliver or at your front door idea I mean think how much freedom a pigeon has in order to maybe land at your house and just drop something off and then take off again The problem is that they don't take off again. They just stay Out of its food. They're not delivering it. They're picking it up That's what I'm saying with the robots you have just the opposite So they're quite excited about it in china and Naturally the military is thinking about how it can be used there, but also ecological monitoring environmental protection The flight controls they use a new kind of crank mechanism that allows the drone to fold its wings while flapping at the same time They can make turns by folding one wing in at a time and they can increase the energy while gliding They don't have to use as much power when they're gliding Very hater nature and form Technology designed all the things you can use a drone for reconnaissance surveillance And more things than you can use a bird for dropping poop on people You know what can you do? Strike missions are special operations take on a whole new term, especially when people don't see them coming Of course that would last long till find a drone Spotter. Yeah, how do you catch birds Nets right probably some kind of nets food traps electromagnetic shiny things Well, I guess that keeps them away. Yeah, anyway, it's another level of complexity when it comes to invisibility and detection So military are looking at using it first national securities always gets high priority on technology I think a lot of people might be interested in how to operate a remote bird. Do you think sure It's a natural well, it's called little falcon little falcon I would say that we'd probably have one here before long There was a guy in I think it was half moon bay who was Trying to figure out how to create a flying craft based on the principles of a dragonfly All right, yeah The wings the dragonfly has four independently Sturable wings it can actually fly backwards cover fly backwards. Yeah, that way. So it has a lot of advantages Apparently a very primordial life form like it predates a lot of other insects these wing designs And it was a great sci-fi series too Firefly Yeah, it is Yeah, so and it's a great AI tool from adobe Oh, yeah, yeah, the dovey tool Yeah, I think like backwards flying backwards. Yeah, but yeah dragonflies one of their special skills Yeah, are they around a lot of water too when you see dragonfly you you know, you're near water That's pretty much the only time you see your dragon. That's where they live, right? Yeah, the medicine cards have the dragonflies as the guardians of the gates of illusion You know they guard the treasure of the dragon There has been some work in detecting Alzheimer's the oncoming of Alzheimer's or whether or not a blood test Could eventually diagnose Alzheimer's I had just read a big article on that which I posted here where it looks at some of the research in that field And then right after I read about whether it's possible I saw an article Coming out from the university of gothenberg that found that blood tests can indeed be used for diagnosing Alzheimer's And that's a big deal because it's usually required much more expensive diagnostics than a blood test like lumber punctures and expensive brain scans Now if you can detect it from a blood test that could be a lot less costly less painful Alzheimer's biomarker could identify what phase the brain Is in you know how early how late it's called a dow protein based blood test And it was developed by alspath a lz path ink of carlsbad california It was presented in the journal of a jammer neurology called diagnostic accuracy of a plasma phospholated tau 217 amino assay for Alzheimer's disease pathology pretty cool And it looks like it has a fair amount of accuracy that it compares very well to cerebral spinal fluid biomarkers Which are used for identifying abnormal amyloids and dowel pathologies And the spinal tap is not something you want to have to do for sure. You know I would really like to one test final that Yeah, so that's definitely the way to go Right, right and a little preventative of course it brings up the whole question of like if you had even a genetic predetermination for alzheimer's Would you want to know? Would you really care enough to know if you were Well, it seems a little ironic the people who would want the tests for alzheimer's are probably the caretakers for the people who have all simers Right It because the people who have all timers might not realize that they want to know But yeah knowledge is a good thing a lot of people that have signs of dementia Yeah, they'll tell you that they know that Something's going on and their full faculties of their brain is not There and that they're fearful when they tell you that yeah, they think that they're getting Alzheimer's Well, I think that there also may be different kinds of alzheimer's like we had I think your mom's dear friend who had alzheimer's Shirley, I think was her name remember and her son was describing living with her and how She would have zero recall of conversations that they had almost as if he had had him with a different person You know, yeah, and of course your mom, bobby. What was your experience? She had fairly advanced case of alzheimer's for a few years There right at the end when you took care of her. I saw it for like 10 years And you could take these mini mental tests and you know, she would score maybe 11 or so But then toward the end she was if you had a higher number 30 is a perfect score So you don't have any dementia. So in the beginning, you know, she would have scores like 26 or something But over time it would get more severe But I think the best thing you can do is this if you get Let's say somebody does have some forms of dementia You should just get your video camera and put them in front of the camera And just record them and ask them to talk about themselves for like 20 minutes And whenever my mother would be disturbed or I couldn't talk to her and later on You would not remember even a few sentences and she couldn't remember the conversation But if I put her running the vcr and play her herself talking to herself She was totally captured by that and she would be engrossed by this And she realized what what it used to be and she became more of herself after that So it showed an improvement in her perception after watching these videos Because then she knew that what she was And she realized oh, there is something wrong in her perceptions at her present time And so it definitely calmed her down a lot So I think it's very important to interview your aging parents if you can Or your aging self Yeah, sure it totally makes sense and that that's a good therapeutic use of video I'm wondering how this translates into an interactive A.I avatar of say your mom And what would be best for an avatar to say to her to keep her conscious or keep her aware That's fascinating. I think that would be the most helpful because even a caretaker Doesn't have those perceptions that a I could possibly see in these people and know their personality very well And perhaps be able to remind them of things that you are forgetting What kinds of things do you think the a I could look for that would be outside of a human's purview? Connections, one of the main things you have with the memory loss is connections and helping you with quickly making a connection That you almost can think of but then you forget Sort of when you can't recall a word type of name or Something like that the problem. They're already trying to do that anyway with the now with giving you suggestions as you write So that would be a first level of Do you think when people are getting very good at augmenting their memory with certain Yeah, reminders outside our augmentation. Well, my question is though Use it or lose it are we going to actually have less of a capacity because of our dependence on these reminders then Well, the neural net the synapses we would create by just doing it ourselves You don't want to use an outsider training program if you don't have Alzheimer There you go. That's a good rule. Otherwise, it'll make your memory weak You depend too much on the machine to tell you everything. Okay, that's not what you want because it's like getting a eye surgery Don't do it until the last possible minute Use your natural gifts as long as you can. Yeah, then put on the glasses, right Though I must say it's really really nice to put on glasses sometimes Oh, especially in that interim period when you go from having perfect vision to where you're really not able to function Yes, glasses make a big difference at that time. Yeah Great invention. Yeah I think these simple blood tests for Alzheimer's or even cancer They have these tests already for certain types of cancers What they do is they detect in the blood in serum Just your antibodies to certain cancers and your body produces antibodies And what these detectors do is detect for those antibodies and they can detect tumor cells Way before they can be even recognized by x-ray or MRI or any Visibly seeing them you can actually detect these antibodies in the bloodstream. Wow, so so much can be done with blood tests Yeah, and when they're talking about the tau tangles or the beta amyloids or amyloid betas Those I'm sure you can detect either the antibody to those or those proteins themselves In the blood and that would be an early indicator like the quantity of those is is how much dementia you might have So preventative wise this makes a huge amount of sense To be honest, especially if there's any possibility that you might be suffering from such or might be Is there any genetic predispositions that you should look for? I should well for dementia apo E4 gene if you have that gene there is a genetic but Apparently there's research and figuring out even though you have the gene You can actually prevent it from turning on by express or introduce how it expresses itself Yes, and so there's a lot of research with methylene blue where they've taken A lot of people that have some forms of dimension methylene blue And even though they do have the apo E4 gene You can actually start to slowly reverse that and improve their cognitive abilities with methylene blue though hyperbaric and infrared or other therapies that are Non-emvasive that seem to help with dementia to also just knowing that first of all you should Check if you have the gene and then take preventative steps so that it'll do you don't it doesn't progress at all You can keep it at bay actually for how long I mean I guess you can get a few years out of it at least And more than a few more than a few years Some people are saying methylene blue as opposed to all these other drugs that have been Has much more of effective reversing all-signers and most of these drugs have that's interesting Because the methylene blue actually reinvigorates the mitochondria While these other drugs are targeting the tau tangles or the beta amyloids Which are proteins that are Signate they signal all-signers And maybe the approach is to revitalize the existing neurons through the mitochondria And that's how methylene blue does it so it's a method a different pathway of resolving Yeah for for those who just heard about the methylene blue has been around for a very very long time But is recently being found useful for new issues and it's readily available Right. I've seen it's even listed on amazon as a compound Yes, if you search on the great god google it'll tell you it's for the treatment of methmo globinemia Methmo globinemia A condition where hemoglobin decreases its ability to carry oxygen So I guess it increases your ability to carry oxygen which would increase your metabolism Do you take it regularly now yourself is this methylene blue become a part of your daily? Benjamin I was doing it for two months the last two or three months daily Now the leading researcher is this dr Gonzales lema and he's out of texas What he did was he had access to in Arizona these homes where they were designed for extended living for people that had certain forms of dementia and They were allowed to Donate their brains after death and dr. lema could see this And then he started noticing some people were using methylene blue and it seemed to help and so he started researching this protocol It's fascinating. You know methylene blue it was originally used for malaria treating malaria And it was very actually a chloroquine Was derived from methylene blue hydroxyl chloroquine? Yeah, and hydroxyl chlor also is another derivative It's better for malaria than the original methylene blue But methylene blue blue jeans they were using it as a dye as an Blue jeans right if you have very very very blue And if you were using a microscope in biology, you know, you could stain things with it. Yeah Yeah, that's why I studied histology Stained things dead cellular structures fun. They shine nicely under these stains. Methylene blue is one of them And how's this unique quality? It has a methyl group on this methylene blue And what it does is in order for the mitochondria to actually take up oxygen And complete the ATP cycle to give you energy What they found is methylene blue Doesn't necessarily need the oxygen to complete the ATP cycle to give you energy It comes in and like stage four Where it just adds these methyl groups that allows the hydrogen ion to Come out of the mitochondria to the cell other parts of the cell to give energy and What they found is they could take frogs or mice And take their blood and completely remove the oxygen and just put methylene blue in the serum in their plasma And they could make these animals Live 40 minutes longer than without oxygen Just with the advent of methylene blue in the serum. So anyway, wow interesting Well, uh, more to be unfold as time goes on with methylene blue. That's anything we'll keep a bookmark on that Well, today is the election day. We're gonna go out a couple of minutes here about Yeah, it seems to show us over We're off to the ballot blocks. Yeah, we have to look at the ballot. Do we want to pay more taxes? That's right. Yeah, that's one of our big choices And Santa Cruz to fund everything that our taxes are already supposed to fund, but we'll give it some more money Yeah, right. Yeah, and in bolder creek. We have slightly less And cappatola has slightly less. Yeah. Well, the problem is Santa Cruz has so few people for so many Visitors the transients here cost the locals a lot of money, but the transients pay sales tax, don't they? Well, there is a new category for transients. They have to pay their transient tax I think it goes from 9 to 9 50 in the unincorporated areas of Santa Cruz and sales tax and they they have higher tax in Santa Cruz And you know the trick that they keep doing is that they get a ballot measure to approve a new tax for a particular thing that people want And then when nobody's looking they sweep that tax into the general fund and then they spend it however they want Yes, and then they tax us for that thing again Right. So that that is I think one of the reporters on Santa Cruz voice was talking about that Well, the people who are in the position to spend our money tend to be making more money than the people that they're taxing so they can always think of new ways to spend money Yeah, so you're gonna say no one that huh? Well, who wants to pay more taxes? Don't know. Yeah, and then there's Gavin Newsom's big thing on health of the mentally challenged Right a lot of divisive in that that's probably true for bobby too. I think the Measure one is it you get to vote on that one body. Yeah. Oh, yeah. See bobby's you're into the election's here too I Guess none of us are really that political so Well, I always vote. I always vote. I believe that voting should be an expression of your personal beliefs. Okay. Yeah, we won't necessarily talk about it I'm not trying to advocate what anybody else does. Of course not Time to go. Oh, time to go vote All right, folks. Well, thanks for listening really great to be chatting with you all Hopefully you found our banter entertaining if not educational make the future beautiful We'll try to help and thanks santa Cruz voice and think local first and santa Cruz Yes, but do your future show dot com You want to know more? Bye, bobby. Love you, man. Yeah, thanks bobby appreciate everything you do Enjoy your week love to cot you