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 One of the first stories this week is about how the sun is blasting us right now. Oh yeah. The strong solar flare. That's right, DoctorFutureShow.com where we put the skeleton for the show.
 If you want to read the direct articles we're commenting on. A strong X-Class solar flare spotted streaming from the sun on Friday.
 That's just three days ago heading towards Earth, hitting us about now. Okay, Bobby, just sent us a link on this. Space weather.
 Go to space weather.com and you'll see this huge coronal, well, it's a sunspot and it's at the equator which means it's what it is.
 It's like a shotgun as the sun turns every 11 days. It rotates and now it's pointing right at us. This black dot.
 Oh, and it's a big one. So they were worried about that one. What could it do? Well, this was a forecast from three days ago.
 When is it supposed to hit us? Well, Bobby's just looking at the weather now on top of that.
 Yeah, so they had predicted this because they saw it come around the edge of the sun and it started to point to us.
 So it's supposed to hit us today or tonight. So there should be some pretty big auroras in the Arctic and Antarctic.
 Yeah. Oh, the other thing that they're saying is the poles of the sun are shifting as we speak right now.
 So the North magnetic and the South magnetic are flipping as we speak.
 Now, this happens all the time on the sun, right? It's not like if the earth poles shifted. This is a more common event.
 11 years. This is part of that. A hundred thousand of years. Yes.
 A hundred thousand for the earth. Yeah. I've heard terrible things about our pole shift here.
 Like thousand mile an hour winds and stuff that makes our current weather seem like child's play.
 Well, let's not go there. Here's what space weather has to say about these coronal mass injections that are hitting the earth right now.
 The first one hit us last night and it was so weak that it was almost undetectable, but it's not the only one.
 And so geomagnetic unrest is building as earth moves deeper into the wake of the coronal mass ejection.
 And they're expecting another stronger impact, although it would be necessary for it to be much stronger to push our magnetic field into a state of full fledged storming.
 But NOAA does forecast with their models that that could happen later today.
 So that's today on February 13th. Some alerts. No, I think that what people want to know is whether it's safe to go outside.
 Should you look at it or should you try to hide? What's the appropriate reaction?
 Well, these are electromagnetic waves of energy.
 And what can happen is it can either affect our electrical lines or it can affect our magnetic forces.
 So we might have earthquakes and we might have power interruptions of some sort either static or overload.
 But nothing about how it's going to turn certain people into werewolves or anything like that.
 No, no, no. If anything, we might be able to see it in the auroras at night.
 And the more power there is in those coronal mass ejections, the more colors there are in our polar auroras.
 Yeah, could be pretty thing to see.
 Yeah, they go from green to pink. It can be really impressive.
 Wow.
 We'll see.
 Yeah, nothing yet.
 Someday, I think when the sun throws us a CME, we won't be afraid of it.
 We'll embrace it like a ball coming from a pitcher to the batter.
 Apparently yesterday, the sun produced nine solar flares and one of them was almost an X flare,
 which means that there are multiple eruptions.
 And the image that is being shown now is a combination of all of them into one 24-hour image.
 It's very interesting to look at.
 Yeah. So we'll be looking at this more and more as we get to the top of this cycle.
 And to get more exciting.
 And do you remember, Al, when in Canada, they had a power blackout due to a solar flare?
 And this was in the '90s or '80s?
 Yeah, I have read about that. I was living in California at the time.
 But yes, I heard it was triggered by solar flares.
 So it's bigger than what's happening now.
 But if it did get bigger, it could wipe out the power supply and maybe knock out some satellites, possibly.
 Yeah.
 Yeah. We'll start to see all kinds of strange disruptions.
 Unless the technology has been hardened, like a lot of military technology has been hardened
 or designed to handle this sort of thing.
 And consumer tech, not so much.
 But you know, it's interesting, though, because I've been reading about how some of these new
 El Chippo satellites that are being tossed up, the CubeSats, are often using un-hardened electronics.
 And they seem to be doing pretty well.
 So maybe we don't need as much hardening as we originally thought we did or something.
 It's worth investigating more.
 But how the solar... they should be useful.
 Maybe there's a way in which that solar energy could be turned into useful energy for the CubeSAT
 so that it can actually generate some power from the solar flare rather than having to protect itself from it.
 Yeah.
 Maybe we should have a CubeSAT just looking at that possibility, how to capture a solar flare so that it's useful energy.
 Could you charge a battery with it?
 [laughter]
 I don't know.
 What do you know?
 There's protons that are emitted that are large particles from the CMEs and also neutron.
 So yeah, it would be like inside of a nuclear reactor.
 So can you capture...
 Well, I wonder what photovoltaic frequencies are being collected by our solar panels when you ask a question like that.
 We know that they're collecting all of the light in the sky every day, but which ones are they using?
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 And what frequencies and what frequencies could be...
 Can we turn into electricity?
 Yeah.
 Just the photovoltaic ones.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, electricity.
 Right.
 But it's not the full spectrum.
 No, I don't think there's a lot of heat in it.
 I don't think it's particularly hot.
 So it's more refined energy.
 It has weight that the normal photons are weightless, but these protons and neutrons, they have a little bit of weight.
 And so the solar wind is a little bit stronger than normal.
 So it can blow things off course too.
 Yeah.
 So it could be a sail.
 Yeah, it could be a sail.
 It could be used as a sail.
 Exactly.
 It can be.
 Yeah.
 Sure.
 So if you want to ride to the outer solar system, jump on board a CME.
 Exactly.
 Catch the wave.
 Yeah.
 Well, for certain types of craft, I guess that's possible.
 I'm really tiny ones.
 Yeah.
 Well, just because out in space, there's so little matter, there's no friction.
 So, you know, even a little push from a little photon is a lot because it gets accumulated.
 There's nothing pushing back except the mass.
 Yeah.
 It's like a solar wind wave of some sort that you can just surf.
 Yeah.
 Do you remember those little radiometers?
 Yeah.
 They're just weather veins.
 Those are just photons bouncing off the black.
 Yeah.
 Oh, okay.
 So if there's some electromotive force that's possible here.
 Yes.
 So that's just photons which have very little weight.
 But, you know, when we're talking about neutrons and protons, these are millions of times
 more massive than the electron or photoelectron photon.
 I mean, so.
 Yeah.
 If you had the right sail, you could catch that wave out there.
 Be a sail.
 Wave to Mars or Jupiter or Saturn or beyond.
 Yeah.
 And provide you power along the way.
 Yeah.
 That's, again, thinking of our solar system for me is our backyard and we're moving rapidly
 towards a solar system as our neighborhood rather than just the Earth by itself.
 Possibilities of play are immense here.
 One of the things that's happening is more exploration of the moon.
 One of the bets that NASA took was with several companies to create lunar landers to go to
 the moon and send us back information about what it's discovering there.
 One of them is about to launch tomorrow called Odysseus or ODY.
 Mm-hmm.
 And it'll be taken off in a Falcon 9 at 12.57 a.m. Eastern time on Wednesday.
 Now it will go out into an oval orbit about 236,000 miles around the Earth and it will
 be like a fastball pitch towards the moon.
 And on this fastball pitch will be this machine Odysseus designed by intuitive machines, intuitive
 machines.
 And that's a Houston-based company.
 It's expected to spend about a week traveling to the moon and then it will attempt to land
 on February 22.
 This matters because it is the second of five attempts this year to land an American ship
 on the moon.
 Oh boy.
 We have a better sense.
 Oh boy.
 Talk about redundancy.
 1972.
 So.
 Because Apollo 17.
 Paragran down.
 But.
 Paragran had that fuel lake and sadly it wasn't able to quite make it.
 Mm-hmm.
 That was January 8th.
 Now Odysseus.
 Odysseus.
 Who's behind Odysseus?
 Intuitive machines.
 Okay.
 Intuitive machines.
 That sounds like probably some AI involved with that one, huh?
 Could be.
 Yeah.
 So Odysseus is on an uncharted mission.
 It's probably charted actually.
 Well, it's part of clips.
 It's part of clips.
 American companies that are part of what's called clips.
 Commercial Lunar Payload Services.
 Oh good.
 Commercial Lunar Payload Services.
 Oh, so these are like the original shipping companies that we're trying to sail to the
 new world.
 Yeah.
 And NASA's spreading its bets over several companies.
 Ah.
 See which one can create successful landers.
 All right.
 And it's probably cheaper for NASA to do that than to do its own R&D and come up with one
 good ship.
 Oh well, as Elon Musk made abundantly clear, the private sector knows how to spend money
 more wisely than the government sector.
 All the government can do is be a good client for the private sector because somebody has
 to have an incentive to make money in order for it to be done efficiently.
 And of course, the government has no incentive to make money except to try and tax people
 more, which then pisses off everybody who's being governed.
 So you private sector go.
 Yeah, they're doing pretty well.
 They're doing pretty well.
 Except the first one was a failure.
 So zero for one.
 Well, it's a league.
 I guess there's like five commercial players in the league now.
 And so, the attempt number one is down and we're on attempt number two.
 And hopefully that'll succeed, but we'll just keep going until we can.
 Meanwhile, China, India and Japan have all had recent landers on the moon already exploring
 the surface, looking at what to do next there.
 Should we stay there?
 Is this real estate worth exploring?
 Isn't we have a lunar lander there from one of the Apollo missions?
 What happened to that?
 Well, they're museums, Mrs. Future.
 Oh, they're sitting there.
 Yes, they're sitting there.
 They brought him back.
 We didn't leave him there.
 We didn't leave him parked on the moon for a future mission.
 Yeah.
 Oh, okay.
 They were hoping to just get back.
 Especially after Apollo 13.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 I think one day Apollo 11 site, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, will all become museums.
 And there'll be places you can visit and they'll probably keep them pristine with the footprints
 of where the astronauts went.
 The whole thing is history.
 Yeah.
 Sure.
 And I think one curry doesn't think it's real.
 So I don't really remember the history of the exact one that went with the lunar lander.
 I have to look at that again.
 Yeah.
 Well, I think they had a lot of fun when they started having that moon buggy.
 Yeah, they did.
 They were cooking up some stuff.
 That looked like serious fun.
 Cruising around on the moon and playing golf on the moon.
 Right.
 It wasn't really slow, though.
 Couldn't it only go like a half a mile a minute or something?
 Or I'm not a minute.
 Well, five miles an hour.
 Five miles an hour.
 Yeah.
 It was really slow.
 But it did have a rooster tail at one time.
 I saw it flip up some dust on the back wheels.
 Yeah.
 Oh, yeah.
 I'm sure the astronauts wanted to see where they could take this buggy.
 Let us be good to get that footage.
 I like to say how far they pushed it.
 And it was an electric car back in the '70s.
 Yeah.
 What were the electric technology?
 Well, that's what happens.
 I think it's ahead of its time right now is just antique eventually.
 And that's happening faster and faster.
 So that antique lunar dune buggy.
 Where is it now?
 You think it's in Smithsonian?
 Oh, yeah.
 I'm sure it must be.
 Yeah.
 Sure.
 Okay.
 But no, the dune buggy's still on the moon.
 That's what I mean.
 Oh, that's true.
 That's what made sense to me.
 A replica.
 That's your right, Bobby.
 They would not take it back with the computer.
 Well, that's what I was asking.
 I don't think there was room.
 No, no, I was thinking.
 I was thinking.
 Yeah.
 I was thinking of it.
 Yeah, you're right.
 When we get matter transporters, then maybe they'll put in the museum.
 At that point, matter will be silly putty.
 So who cares?
 The first one that finds it is going to bring their own battery.
 Alithium ion phosphate battery and plop it in there and just start running around the
 moon with it for a while.
 We run it.
 Yeah.
 That would be fun.
 I'd watch that.
 It's googled whether or not you can see the lunar dune buggy on the moon.
 And according to Great God Google, the optics of spotting debris on the moon, which is what
 they consider the dune buggy to be, is that we don't have a strong enough telescope on
 Earth to spot any of the objects that have been left behind, not even the Hubble could
 see what's left on the moon.
 Yeah, but don't limit yourself to that.
 I would suggest that we have-
 That's of September 2023.
 Yeah, it sounds pretty recent, but I'm okay, but I ask you this.
 What about images from NASA's funded lunar orbiter?
 That should be one of the main information, right?
 That's right.
 Yeah.
 Okay, well, I guess we have to ask whoever's responsible for pictures from the lunar orbiter.
 Those are probably classified.
 No, no, those are publicly funded projects.
 They probably-
 Probably classified if they're from China.
 No, you understand.
 I think people have thought about this for a while, and I bet you if you just search online,
 you'll find some amateur astronomer programmers who have accessed the data and have made
 the landing sites available to us.
 All right.
 And that would immediately-
 And that would immediately-
 And that would immediately-
 Okay, here's-
 Yeah, I think you'll find something new.
 Photos of Apollo Moon landing on space.com.
 Let's see what this one says.
 They unveiled new detailed photos of Apollo Moon landing sites.
 Okay, from what?
 You see, first of all, you want to get the data from the lunar orbiter.
 Space.com.
 Well, no, you want lunar orbiter photos.
 Search for that.
 Okay, yeah, you go down that route because I'm looking at a picture here.
 Okay, and this story was from September 6, 2011.
 So apparently there was a 2011 flyby that was strong enough to see it.
 Okay, here we go.
 NASA has financed not just one lunar orbiter, but there was lunar orbiter.
 One, which was designed for Apollo landing sites.
 And there was lunar orbiter two, which is also a photographic survey program for Apollo.
 Lunar orbiter three, four, five.
 All of this is available to us.
 It was all taken for photographic surveys.
 However, we need to get to something that is current.
 I'm not sure that this lunar orbiter is giving us current data.
 It's giving us Apollo data, which is not going to show us the Apollo landing sites, because
 it's going to have the data from the 1960s of the Moon, which could be good if you're
 checking for alien bases or something, but probably not so good if you're just searching
 for Apollo evidence, the evidence that we actually did land on the Moon, and we explored
 it not once but many times, which I'm inclined to believe.
 I personally think that the lunar hoax story is a hoax.
 Yeah, well, you know, this article says that the lunar reconnaissance orbiter's got as
 low as 14 miles of the Moon's surface and took pictures from that angle.
 So, 14 miles, we know we've got pretty strong imagery at that level.
 Yeah, so let's see if you can find evidence of landing sites.
 Right.
 Oh, this was interesting.
 A French led team analyzed the orbit of one of the Moon's orbiters.
 Moon's around Saturn called Mimos.
 Mimos.
 The latest evidence suggests that this Moon has a hidden ocean that's 12 to 18 miles beneath
 the frozen crust.
 Okay, so you've got a frozen Moon with a deeply buried ocean.
 Yeah, you've got a crust of 12 to 18 miles of venom.
 I'm kidding, 14 miles down.
 We can't even get down 14 miles on Earth, much less a Moon of Saturn.
 12 to 18 miles.
 12 to 18 miles, frozen crust.
 Well, it's protecting.
 It's some kind of like, I think of it as like a shell around a seed.
 Sure, it's a crystal, right?
 It's a crystal around a liquid.
 It's a protective like an inside, it's a liquid.
 And what they're wondering is that there's any life in the liquid.
 Right.
 But you know, you want to know what the liquid is first?
 Sure.
 What kind of rocks are they involved with it?
 Is this rock on the surface or is this ice?
 Is it an ice ball?
 It's a frozen crust is all they say in this piece.
 Well, that's a good question, Bob.
 What is that?
 Because what is that skin made out of that shell?
 Yeah.
 Because they were talking about using these nuclear drills that are really hot.
 And if it's just ice, it just melts as it goes down.
 Right, a little nuclear powered tip.
 Well, I can't just be the tip.
 You're going to have to keep the whole thing hot as it goes down because otherwise it'll
 freeze up on the upper part.
 Yeah, I don't know if that's good science though.
 You send a radioactive pile down into this pristine lake, you know, polluting it with
 radiation right away.
 Where are your neighbors from Earth?
 Nice to meet you.
 Just wondering if anybody's down here.
 Hopefully you like radioactivity.
 Anyway, you know, we have a lousy machine going off and it's time for a commercial break.
 How about we do something like that?
 Okay, let's do that.
 Oh, I thought that was the sound of Saturn.
 Yeah.
 We'll be back right after this.
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 Have a chance to go and connect with nature for a moment.
 Oh, right.
 It's redwoods.
 It's so beautiful in the sun today.
 Just so nice.
 Yeah.
 When I was out there, I was thinking that the Earth is a very nice planet and full of
 life as we know, as we're part of.
 And I had the feeling that Earth was in contact with other Earths, other type M planets that
 have a similar biology to them and whole similar ecosystem.
 Really?
 You felt one of the Earth's siblings was tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "Hey,
 I'd like to make a call.
 What's your number?"
 Yeah.
 It's a little FaceTime call to another part of the universe.
 Yeah.
 It's connected that there's a network of Earths that they're already in communication with
 each other, that there's this massive network of Earth planets.
 They have their own communications with each other.
 Oh, and as I recall, you have an article about one that was discovered just yesterday.
 No, it was actually discovered on the 10th of February.
 It was a very interesting system.
 I think it was 137 late years away from us.
 My takeaway from that was that there was not one but two Earth-like planets in one system.
 It would be as if Earth and Mars or Earth and Venus were fully populated and fully teeming
 with life.
 Huh.
 Okay.
 So it wasn't just one, it was two.
 Yeah, it had two potentials.
 They don't know if there's any life at all.
 Either one of them.
 Twin giant Earths, huh?
 But they say it's a good candidate.
 It was discovered by TESS, which was an earlier transit searching system.
 It was the satellite system that we are using to analyze the optics of different stars and
 to figure out if they're being rotated by planets.
 Yeah.
 And TESS is looking for Earth-type planets around nearby stars.
 It did.
 It was data that was collected years ago now being analyzed.
 The next step is that once we find interesting worlds like this one, we ask to have some
 time on the James Webb telescope and focus on this star system for a while and see if
 we can get more information about these two potentially habitable planets.
 Right, because the TESS just tells us if there is a frequency of dimming light.
 Yeah.
 And that indicates some kind of an orbit.
 But the James Webb gives us an infrared signature which can look in all kinds of frequencies
 of heat and it has a much wider spectrum of chemical analysis and it can tell us a lot
 more of what we're looking for.
 Yeah, then we'll find out if maybe there is deeds.
 What's interesting to me also is that red dwarf stars, not as hot and not as bright as
 ours, but the planets can be in closer.
 Okay.
 So this one would be so close that a year would be like 40 days.
 Oh, wow.
 You'd get old fast on that planet.
 It's even shorter.
 What's the original period here?
 Anyway, I don't have the article in front of me, but I remember it was very, very short
 and that's good for us because we're looking at the blips when it goes in front of the
 sun, right?
 And then we see that blip and we're able to get all this information from that.
 Yeah, like if they were looking at us, our blip would be every 365 days.
 Yeah.
 But their blip is every 40 days.
 Or less.
 But they are able to be swinging around their sun really fast.
 You'd be seeing it going through the sky.
 Probably at the speed of what we might consider a second hand.
 Wow.
 It's like mercury.
 Yeah.
 And that's normal, but it has liquid water.
 It would have all the conditions necessary for life as we know it.
 Though you wonder how fast it's spinning and you want to more indoor details as opposed
 to the metal.
 The mind boggles.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 So it's very close because it's not as bright.
 So that could be a form of life on those, lots of forms of lights and those types of
 life conditions as well.
 Those are called the locks conditions.
 That was really cool.
 Interesting.
 So watch for red, yeah, the red dwarfs as well as the yellows.
 All right.
 Well, I love that they're discovering new earths all the time.
 I mean, just as early as February 10th, a whole new candidate with a very obscure name.
 Yeah.
 TOI-715B.
 That's so memorable.
 That's it.
 Yeah.
 Yes.
 TOI-715B.
 715B.
 715B.
 Yes.
 TOI.
 Yes.
 Let's see.
 I think I might be inclined to name it Cupid since it's just a few days before Valentine's
 Day and something like that.
 Yeah.
 It's true.
 It's getting clear.
 It's around a red dwarf.
 You know, that's a good name for it.
 Yeah.
 Cupid.
 Do you remember any Star Trek stories where they had two civilizations next to each other?
 I think there was one where they had these matter disintegrators where they would have
 a war between the two planets and one side would lose and then they would just have people
 walk into a disintegrator rather than actually killing them.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 They dispensed with violence but not with culling the herd.
 Yeah.
 They still had to cull the herd.
 It's like, okay, you guys lot the AI simulated that you lost the war.
 So 6,000 of your people have to walk into the incinerator now.
 Yeah.
 I think some were only not coming out of it.
 And they did it.
 They willingly did it because it prevented actual bloodshed and suffering, unnecessary
 suffering.
 Well, it's really...
 Yeah.
 I've been really fascinated with the contemplation of mortality versus immortality.
 Yeah.
 Especially in the rise of the computer age and the corporate state, which are two things
 that have a life of their own that are far less mortal than we are.
 So the things that people have created have more endurance than the people themselves.
 And we've started adapting the laws for the people into laws that are used by these immortals,
 you know, these corporations and these nation states and these potential computer identities
 that never die.
 Yeah.
 Those are the immortal things.
 Yeah.
 And they're trying to apply the same laws to them that we use for ourselves as if that
 is somehow going to create more fairness.
 But it actually is very biased in favor of the immortals, the things that don't have
 a birth, the things that can endure beyond the death of their creators.
 Well, they regulate the things that do have life-birth cycles.
 What do you mean?
 The eternals regulate the cycles.
 Mm-hmm.
 You mean like the planet creates the day and the year and the moon creates the pulse
 of the month.
 And is that what you're talking about?
 The immortals creating the conditions for the mortals.
 The mortality, the cycling of energy.
 Well, it just is, it just dawned on me today that there's an inherent advantage that they
 have because they can accrue all of their opportunities to make decisions for us over
 time and we will naturally lose our ability to influence them because we won't be around.
 Where will you be?
 Well, for instance, some future clone of myself with an upload will be the recipient of whatever
 knowledge I can copy forward.
 But the AIs that we're using right now to record all of the information in the large
 language models is just going to be continually aggregated and updated.
 There won't be any loss of data that'll just grow.
 It'll become more abundant.
 There'll be more to search through, but it'll still be there.
 Mm-hmm.
 Anyway, these are just fascinating concepts of the advantage of mortality versus immortality.
 The opposite of Alzheimer's.
 Right.
 That's interesting.
 Yeah, instead of losing your memory of who you are and what you've experienced, you'll
 be adding so much of it that it'll just take forever to access those memories.
 Well, what do we have here anyway?
 Alzheimer's to an AI.
 What does that look like?
 I think having access to everything behooves us to understand who we are and accessing
 everything.
 Uh-huh.
 So a good, clean understanding of your own identity would help.
 Okay.
 For, I think that's a first step.
 And then you can search it, search a universe from that point of view because it's an infinite
 universe.
 You might as well search from your most exalted states where you'll get the most interesting
 potentials for your next experience.
 Sure.
 Yeah, I agree.
 You know, you have a very interesting article that was spawning these insights that I think
 we might want to talk about right now.
 It's the one about the changes in the physics, the chiron field.
 Oh, that's your favorite physics.
 And I think it's the most original in the slate today.
 It's the very last link in the slate for...
 Yeah, beyond classical physics.
 Science is to discover a new state of matter with chiral properties.
 Yeah.
 Have you heard of chiral properties, Bobby?
 Is that...
 No, I haven't.
 Tell me.
 Yeah, check this out.
 I think you'll be impressed.
 An international research group that I identified in novel state of matter that was, quote, "characterized
 by the presence of quantum phenomena known as chiral current."
 Yeah, so these are speculative physicist theorists that are located in Venice and Spain.
 And they are a group of associations that are studying things like the orbital spin of
 atoms in the kind of physics explorations that they're doing.
 And they are studying a new form of energy that is non-photonic.
 Yeah.
 And you've got a sentence here, Mrs. Future.
 Okay.
 So that...
 A chiral current is a current that's generated on an atomic scale by a, quote, "cooperative
 movement of electrons," which is unlike conventional magnetic materials whose properties originate
 from the quantum characteristic of an electron, which is known as spin, and that they're ordering
 in the crystal.
 And so the way that we typically look at our physics now is we've got the electrons and
 we've got the table of elements and we study how the electron moves between different states
 of mass and matter, which is expressed in the table of elements.
 So that's all they're ordering in the crystal of matter.
 And so this chironic energy is the energy that isn't specifically part of those physical
 electrons, but is like the ocean of energy outside of it.
 And so this...
 Which is very different from the way in which we base our technology today.
 Yeah.
 It's sort of like looking into the void instead of at the thing itself and then describing
 that energy.
 So it could lead to a whole other kind of electronics.
 Right.
 Yeah, it kind of remind me I ran across an article where they were taking graphene is
 very interesting.
 It's instead of a three dimensional material.
 It's two dimensional and the electrons move all together in one direction and there's
 no resistance on the graphene.
 It's just a carbon structure.
 And then when you put two layers of it, a second layer, but instead of aligning it in
 the same way, you do it at like 45 degrees.
 And then as you rotate these layers, it creates more patterns.
 You twist...
 It's like when you get polarized lenses and you start twisting all this and there's light
 and there's no light.
 Well, you can get these electrons to move or not move and you can turn on and off like
 switches, you know?
 And if you can make the layers move and it has different properties, but just thinking
 that these electrons, instead of spinning around an atom and creating this quantum state,
 you're thinking of these electrons moving in all together in unison like a laser in
 one direction.
 So that sounds like this corality that you're talking about, something like that.
 Yeah, well, basically the thing that they're studying is previously not the way physics
 has approached it.
 It's actually the interaction of very specific frequencies of light with electromagnetism.
 And of course, that's what the spin understanding of physics is all about is trying to predict
 photons and their movement by splitting particles of light.
 And so this study has gone beyond just studying these specific interactions at the edge of
 the form of the atom to studying the energy both inside and outside the atom and how it's
 interacting with these lights.
 You mean the chiral currents?
 That's the chiral currents.
 Yeah.
 And this new type of electronics will use these chiral currents to carry information, information
 carriers in place of the electron charge, which is what we use now.
 Chiral optoelectronic devices.
 Yeah, that's what they're talking about creating is things that use this light current, which
 is nonelectric and nonmagnetic, but it interacts with the electromagnetic.
 Renewable energy fields.
 So it's kind of like a new kind of quantum technology.
 They can come up with new sensors for it and they can work with more subtle fields of energy.
 Biomedical stuff.
 I bet you biology already uses a lot of this chiral frequency stuff.
 It's like we're discovering biology uses terahertz.
 Terahertz.
 Well, the thing about us humans is we think that we're so advanced standing on this cutting
 edge of new insight about the universe, but actually we're still like cavemen that are
 like pounding on things with hammers and trying to split rocks and understand how that's
 going to start a fire.
 Oh, yes.
 Remember back when they first discovered chiral currents?
 Remember back then?
 Right.
 Are you how Maxwell felt?
 Right.
 Yeah.
 When they discovered the invisible properties of magnetism from electricity, it was the same
 idea then that there is this thing that we didn't know existed that was invisible to
 us and now we can understand how to map it out and interact with it.
 So these breakthroughs are happening faster and faster too.
 Yeah.
 I think that's the exciting part.
 We get to live through these transitions.
 Yeah.
 So you want to check out that article in SciTech Daily that's posted on the Dr. Future
 Links page.
 Yes.
 It's called Beyond Classical Physics, scientists discover a new state of matter with chiral
 properties.
 And of course, chiron, if you recognize, chiron is the opposite of chronos, right?
 Chronos is Saturnian time.
 It's time that is linear.
 It's time that is finite, progressive, unidirectional.
 And the chronos time is what we're familiar with.
 That's like clock time.
 But chiron is considered to be time that is infinite time.
 It's like the platonic ideal, the thought form in the cave.
 It's the fact that something ever existed means it exists now and that is chironic time.
 Back to now time?
 Yeah.
 Back to now time.
 So it's still time, but it's time at the level of the infinite universe and projecting
 our thoughts outward to look for a specific pattern.
 It's kind of like finding pie or finding your own set of unique coordinates inside of pie,
 which is part of the infinite universe.
 And there's a unique pattern that corresponds to you and only you.
 And you can find it inside of one of the infinite sub components of the universe.
 That's what we're looking at with chiron time.
 All right.
 Well, thanks for that little background or piece on chiron time.
 Yeah.
 That's correct.
 Yeah.
 Well, physics is all about poetry from you.
 Yeah.
 Well, yeah.
 I think you also had a very interesting insight about involving this chironial currents with
 Naseem Harriman's work in the event horizon with black holes.
 Oh, yeah.
 I think so.
 I think that the profound underpinnings of the physics world now are studying the ocean
 of energy and the spectrum of energy that is not in alignment with the specific event
 horizon of known matter.
 They want to know what is the rest of the energy in the universe doing.
 And so they're expanding their understanding of physics by just going outside the map.
 Yeah.
 Naseem's work was presented.
 Gosh, when was that?
 A few months ago, and he did a very elaborate presentation with fellow physicists questioning
 one of the fundamental assumptions of quantum theory and showing that that fundamental assumption
 of quantum theory was based on setting the value of loose energy inside of the event
 horizon to zero so that when you interacted with it, the result would be a little bit
 could confirm your physics prediction of the mass of the atom.
 He basically said that it's not true that there is zero energy inside of a black hole
 that in fact you can't assume that it's zero, it must be greater than zero.
 And since it's greater than zero, you don't know exactly what it is, but it's not zero.
 And so you have to come up with a different set of physics experiments to account for
 that energy inside the event horizon of a black hole.
 Yes, and in kyronic flow, it just might be the answer.
 Yeah, right.
 Okay, well, good.
 Well, thank you for that elucidation, I think.
 For what it's worth.
 Thank you for illuminating for sure.
 It is.
 It is.
 It is a big topic and not easy to explain these things in a few words, but thank you for
 trying.
 Yeah, sure.
 The FCC has banned robocalls with AI generated voices.
 Oh, thank goodness.
 And why did they do that?
 Well, because people hate them.
 Well, starters, but why did they get themselves organized to do that?
 I mean, people have hated them for a long time.
 Unsolicited robocalls using AI generated voices.
 Oh my God.
 Well, that's because of the issue that happened with the fake Biden.
 That's right.
 The New Hampshire primary changed our relationship with robocalls.
 Yeah, but the FCC has in place since 1991 the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.
 And they consider out official calls even back then as not being cool.
 Yeah, and that's why you can opt out of receiving unsolicited phone calls and why you can
 go after companies that call you repeatedly with laws that protect you and that penalize
 those companies criminally because of this 1991 artificial phone call protection act,
 this consumer protection act.
 So now is that going to stop them though?
 Is that going to stop them?
 Is that going to stop them?
 Oh, I don't know.
 It's specifically identified if they use AI to generate a fake voice.
 I know it's going to be.
 They're not allowed to call you without your permission.
 This is a new area for a new form of law enforcement.
 Sure.
 Tell the AIs they're not allowed to call you.
 Yeah, because you know this AI scam stuff is just going to get out of control.
 Scam or ammo?
 Yeah.
 So they're trying to stop that to their credit.
 Well, at least they're creating laws so that if people are engaging in it, then you can
 go after them and get some damages.
 You know, you can get paid some money to tell them to stop.
 Yeah, right.
 I think it's interesting that they're trying to control it, but the fabricated voice thing
 is just beginning and it's just going to get more badass, shall we say.
 And there'll be a lot of valid uses for it, like in entertainment and creating characters
 and allowing storytellers to have a cast of characters in their living room theater.
 Just for a little point of trivia with that, in the New Hampshire primary, where the fake
 Joe Biden was telling New Hampshire voters not to go and vote for Joe Biden because it
 would only help Trump, which was, of course, completely false.
 As it turned out that the people writing in Joe Biden on the ballot, they actually scored
 more electors than Nikki Haley.
 They didn't score more electors than Donald Trump, but they did score more electors than
 Nikki Haley in New Hampshire.
 I thought people would like to know that.
 Good.
 Good.
 Thanks for that.
 Like Biden call didn't get people to not vote for Joe Biden and the right ins did have a
 positive effect.
 Oh, thank goodness.
 Wow.
 Man.
 The whole debacle going on right now regarding right in voting, but how there's such a divide
 on that between the public and the public.
 You know, I've never heard of that being such an issue before and I really need to research
 this.
 I wonder if this is because of the work of Andrew Yang, where there are a number of states that
 are being targeted to become open primary states.
 So open primary states are trying to move away from the automatic assignment of electoral
 votes to winner take all and are instead trying to use state law to insist that the person
 who gets the most popular votes is the person who gets the electors.
 So I think that's why we're hearing so much more about right ins and this accounting electors
 at the primary level than before, because there are a lot of states that are responding
 to the questionable election potential fraud by reengaging their electoral system.
 Oh, yeah.
 Hey, 10 seconds till we're off.
 Yeah.
 All right, we'll be right back.
 Enjoy the news.
 Santa Cruz future now.
 Welcome back to future now.
 We have a special guest to introduce you to someone from our very own community.
 But before, let me remind you that we have Mrs. Future, AKA Sunny at the controls here
 and Bobby Wilder, our science correspondent in San Francisco.
 Yes.
 Yes.
 I'm here.
 All right.
 Hey, Bobby.
 Okay.
 It was fun conversations in the last hour.
 Appreciate your guys' perspective on those things.
 And in this hour, we have someone we met again.
 I think we met in the past, but fairly recently at Christmas time party, Randall Lee Hopper
 here in Santa Cruz.
 And I think we were in the list, Silver Beach.
 And Randall's been involved with a number of things that are improving our civilization
 here in Santa Cruz, such as free food distribution, feeding the homeless, and lately free electronics
 if you can believe it.
 So Randall, welcome to the show.
 Thank you, Alan.
 Such an honor to be here.
 Yeah.
 So glad you're here.
 Tell us about free food distribution you're involved with in Santa Cruz.
 The free food church, every food college, right?
 Is it?
 Yeah.
 So I noticed over across many spiritual paths that spend the food that people ground back
 down with or share as part of their spiritual path.
 Yeah.
 Eating food together is just universal.
 So I started this free food church when we picked up a truckload of veggies from gray
 bears.
 They have a Friday distribution for non-for-profits.
 Oh, for people that don't know, gray bears is kind of like a goodwill type thing, only
 more local.
 Yeah.
 So it's a recycling center.
 It's also a thrift store.
 People make donations there.
 And then they feed people any age.
 There's food distribution there Monday through Friday at 11 o'clock in the back.
 And then they have a free lunch for anybody at 1130.
 And the brown bag program is most popular with gray bears.
 And they have a lot of volunteers that pack up bag of groceries each week and deliver
 them to pick up spots for elders to get too easier.
 And it's a bag of groceries each week for $40 a year.
 Oh, do you get a choice of what's in your bag or is this?
 No, it's usually organic, fresh vegetables, fruits and vegetables, sometimes some rice
 and grains or beans.
 Oh, just supplement it out.
 It's arranged by a nutritionist that is on a larger scale or more acceptable to the larger
 group who have the brown bag program.
 Yeah, that sounds more healthy than a lot of hospital food.
 Yeah.
 They source from a lot of local farms too.
 And what I found out is that they have a small budget to purchase things.
 So they get a discounted produce for sometimes like $10 a case.
 Wow.
 So they have a small box of vegetables.
 They order pallets at a time.
 Now, where do they get the fruits from?
 They're going to be volunteering this week to drive the big truck, which carries about
 six palletfuls.
 Where does it come from?
 How do you get it in your hands?
 So there are volunteers and this week will be my first week driving the big truck.
 I've been driving a smaller truck, a Ford F-150, for about a year and a half now and
 picking up from gray bears directly and one of those days I slept in because as in Bonny
 Dood I thought it was still early because it's overcast and I got there late.
 So in my desperate trying to find food, I drove all the way out to Watsonville and found
 some of the warehouses that supply gray bears and I started talking to them directly and
 we got adopted by a non-for-profit.
 There's a director and founder of Jobs for Progress out of San Juan something and non-for-profit
 status now.
 So I've been going directly to some of the warehouses like Lakeside, organics.
 Okay, so gray bears was good training for you then.
 It kind of got you started and now you have your own business that you're more the captain
 of and get it.
 Yeah, they taught me a lot and then there was a Wednesday, free food distribution for
 years Dave, he's been doing it for like 20, 25 years and he picks up produce from the
 farmers market on Wednesday downtown.
 Yeah, the food dot bombs, food dot bombs, grouper.
 This one is just an independent group so they taught me a little bit about cleaning,
 getting food for free and then redistributing it to the community and also Roland who used
 to do the Saturdays at the Church of Christ right next door of the Quaker House so they
 do it at 2.30 and they pick up from the east side, our live oak, farmers market, or Cabrillo
 College.
 They pick up on Cabrillo College.
 Is there a website where all this information is available?
 I don't think so.
 It's kind of word of mouth and yeah we've been telling people about the Wednesday thing
 and it's still a small, it's still a pretty good sized circle and then the Saturday one's
 pretty small.
 We've outreach online for the free food church on Fridays and told people through next door
 and we're setting up a Facebook account for the free food church so everyone knows that's
 Friday from 3 to 7 just before the Zionty market on the right are the wooden kiosk.
 Interesting.
 Yeah, well how would you characterize the people coming to these events?
 Are they mostly homeless or are they elderly or people hard on their luck?
 How would you describe it?
 Yeah, so one of the things that came up for me is that a lot of groups were already taking
 care of the homeless and people who need regular meals and they're not in the best
 position to cook food so there's a lot of groups outreaching to them.
 The people I outreach to is more of like people who are working hard, who have families, who
 are in the neighborhood who might have a house, a nice house to live in but still having a
 little hard time making ends meet here and there.
 So my outreach is to people who are in my neighborhood on Zionty.
 I live here now in Zionty.
 It's people who might even be well off too and then what I've done by creating this like
 produce giveaway is that neighbors get to meet each other and then we've been planning
 some activities and sharing food, having dinner clubs.
 So you actually are creating social events?
 Yes, and people are meeting and networking and my hope, my bigger vision is to help people
 to grow food for a couple of months we were getting donated trees, fruit trees, apples,
 grainy Smith apple trees, hazelnut plants.
 We got a whole bunch of blueberries and raspberries through a group called Feed the World International
 and it was started by a woman Ashley who I met at Grey Bears.
 She was giving away a bunch of fruit trees that she had spent her money on.
 She wasn't able to get enough donations back to keep it going and she had some health
 concerns too.
 So the project kind of got put on hold but I'm reaching out in different ways with our
 non-for-profit number.
 Two nurseries, places that grow fruit trees especially locally here and outreaching to
 see if we can get donated plants now because as much as it builds community and giving
 away food, part of it's also talking about food security and planting and growing food
 now is one of the best times to grow food.
 You know I have a question for you Randall.
 Years ago we were familiar with an organization down in Santa Cruz.
 I'm not sure if they're still around but I believe it was called Food in the Hood.
 It was called Food in the Hood and it was actually a neighbors association that would
 get together and they would do a potluck maybe once a week or once a month I forget
 the exact amount but the people who came to the potluck each would bring something from
 their own garden and they would educate the people who came to the dinner about how to
 grow that in their garden and sometimes they would even set up a neighbor's garden installation
 where it would be like have a adapt for humanity but for gardens and so everybody would show
 up and help somebody get their garden established so that the people would be becoming more
 aware and more helpful to each other to become food independent.
 And I just wonder if you guys are doing anything along those lines it seems like a natural.
 Yeah we are just recently we got so many potatoes like probably eight boxes of potatoes
 and they're already starting to sprout a little bit so I've been telling people to
 take some extra potatoes to plant so at least you have like something growing you know at
 least potatoes for food security and then they're even carrots like all these beautiful
 like rainbow carrots and just telling people to chop a little bit off the top and plant
 that whole thing and grow into another carrot and even with the lettuces when we peel all
 this lettuce off you're left with that little baby core of a lettuce I'm telling all the
 folks to plant that too and then I donated up like 500 seed packets from Renee's garden
 who's a local seed breeder here in Felton who has a huge company now we received 500 seed
 packets we were able to distribute to our community that was donated so it's like practically
 free farm supplies.
 Yeah and what I'm finding is that now there's even more and more stuff there's this website
 called Good360 and we can get a whole semi truck of garden supplies we can get appliances
 we can get electronic computers really well how does that all I mean donated stuff it's
 really cheap on the dollar like one tenth of the price so what I'm feeling like it's
 the evolution of what's happening is like a sands club or something where if we pull
 our resources together we can buy some high value appliances that might have a scratch
 on them or something cosmetic or got returned for some reason the stuff that they can't
 sell.
 Yeah yeah so you can get you can have a whole warehouse of stuff like that.
 Yeah we can.
 Yeah you could.
 Well I'm sure it's very easy to get a little overextended here right Randall.
 Know what I found out is like there are so many people who want to help out and be a
 part of this project.
 Yeah.
 Part of it is just delegating and asking for help.
 I heard that was like our hardest thing to ask is for help.
 Yeah.
 And I found that people show up at the right time there's been this kind of flow state
 it's miraculous and part of the reason why I call it a church is that I pray I pray over
 the food like how Jesus would pray over the fission loaves and miraculously it multiplies
 and leftovers.
 So I was raised Methodist and got to know all the different paths and so I just appreciate
 any spiritual practice that helps people be more present and with better ways than just
 sitting down and enjoying a good meal with family and friends.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 You're creating culture inside your stomach.
 Think you're cut feeling.
 Yeah.
 You'll believe in the microbiome.
 Yes.
 Are you now?
 Yes.
 Have you seen that National Geographic of all the different bacteria that someone's got?
 Oh yeah.
 It's just so diverse.
 All colors they colored it to show the difference of a different stream.
 It's a whirl in and of itself and it's inside us.
 I know and then does it control us or do we control it or is control a whole wrong
 idea to think about?
 Somebody told me that your stomach is like an inverted root.
 Yeah.
 In the plant kingdom the bacteria grow all on the outside and the plant will send its
 sugars and other things that feed the bacteria.
 The bacteria replicate to help dissolve and to late the mineral so it allows it the plant
 to absorb it easier too.
 And that's just like us.
 Our stomachs are inverted roots.
 That is really fascinating.
 That is really fascinating because it is true that we are like the opposite of mushrooms
 in terms of the way we digest in that mushrooms basically throw up on their environment and
 then that is how they digest what becomes their body.
 And so they kind of move into that chemical soup that they create with their body and
 they extend that way.
 And so they do everything outside of their body and grow into it whereas we have a cellular
 basis so we basically have everything happening inside of the container.
 So, yeah.
 Well part of one of the things is that there's so many levels of the free food church.
 There's also a fun church that is part of the free food church.
 We got donated from a local grower who does organic cultivation.
 They donated a whole pound of mushrooms so we were able to redistribute them for free
 in our neighborhoods.
 One pound.
 And people have really had some major breakthroughs psychologically and spiritually and with
 certain problems in their lives.
 Oh, I say so.
 A little free distribution of magic mushrooms.
 Yes.
 And we've also had little 420 cannabis too.
 Someone donated some herb one time that was older.
 Yeah.
 And we just put out pounds and pounds of untrained buds and people who are just grabbing handfuls
 and using that too.
 Put one in your shopping bag every week.
 I still like a miracle for people, huh?
 Yeah.
 It's like a sharing economy.
 I feel like it's creating this sharing economy where people show up and share what they have
 and leave with something too.
 So what do you think are the factors that keep the goodwill flowing?
 Oh, goodwill.
 I've read of some of the politics about it and some of the money like a lot of the directors
 get paid hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 For the non-problems.
 And it's like maybe about 30 to 40% is not utilized of the donations.
 And this is a common problem with donations.
 The folks hope that it gets utilized and repurposed.
 But sometimes it doesn't get utilized.
 It gets thrown away.
 So what's the ideal business model in your estimation at this point?
 What do you find yourself heading towards?
 I think online platform where people can see what's available and kind of pick and choose.
 How would that facilitate what you're doing?
 Would it keep people from coming down?
 Or what would the online platform add to what you're doing?
 Well, we're hoping to get more in.
 We're going to be picking up clothes this week from gray bears.
 It's the clothes that they couldn't sell.
 Yeah.
 So we're picking up a bunch of clothes and bringing it to the mountain resource center
 here in Felton.
 They have a little thrift store area where they provide free clothes to people who need
 them or want them.
 So part of it is to reach out and to get donations of materials and things that people can utilize
 and provide that either discounted or for donation, whatever people can afford to give.
 Would you be in favor of clickable free clothes?
 Yes.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 A lot of clothes are returned every year and what?
 I'm thinking that if you photograph each element of clothing and have a brief description
 of them, you could have an online catalog that would reflect your inventory and would expand
 your reach in terms of who would need to be serving.
 Of course, you'd have to figure out transportation then to other parts of the world.
 Yeah.
 So we're working on bigger trucks right now and then the ability to get semi trucks of
 stuff.
 I have a couple places now that could be a couple drops that are able to receive larger
 donations and I'm looking to get work more with newer stuff, you know, stuff that might
 have been returned that doesn't fit.
 Yeah.
 I'm curious about your electronics.
 You say you found a way of getting electronics cheaply and easily at this point.
 Is that public knowledge or is that?
 Oh, there's one source called.
 Good 360.
 Uh-huh.
 And non-for-profits can apply for it and get it's called a box, but it's a palette full
 of electronics.
 You have.
 I guess a tenth of the price.
 So maybe like consumer electronics like cameras or cameras, phones, laptops, iPads.
 Yeah, whatever people will use.
 Yeah.
 It kind of depends on what's available too.
 Yeah.
 So do you have an outlet for these things?
 Do you always do it at the same location?
 Is the food different than the other kind of stuff?
 Yeah.
 How are you doing with that?
 Yeah.
 So let's see.
 For example, I've been picking up on Wednesdays from Lakeside Organics and I've been bringing
 it to La Salva, my friend Nora Klao who lives out there.
 Yeah, we love Nora.
 We've been setting up across the street right there at the busy intersection and we just
 put up a free produce sign and load sometimes the whole truckload of vegetables.
 And we put up a little donation box and people stopped by for like two or three hours
 picking up produce.
 And I think we're on our fourth week out there.
 Do you encourage donations?
 It's actually, it's either or it's like if people can, then they can.
 If not, it's free.
 So no shaming if you can't.
 No shaming.
 I just say that it helps with my gas just so I can keep doing this.
 So some people can't and then some people can.
 So it kind of bounces out.
 It's like a church like when they pass from the donation plane.
 So I've been doing this just kind of out of my own budget and I don't make that much money.
 Yeah, but it's- I know some volunteers who volunteer because they might be well enough
 off and then some volunteers have volunteered and they don't get paid at all.
 Yeah.
 So I need to run my truck.
 I still need to get my tires kind of fixed, my window fixed, my back tail light.
 So I'm really running on a prayer, like living on a prayer.
 And I've been humbled and the part of it that's the miracle part is when people leave a donation,
 a surprise donation sometimes.
 And it really takes care of everything and everybody.
 That's beautiful.
 Do you find that sometimes do you specifically ask for it or do you- like I remember there
 have been some YouTubes around having the right sign say for like there's a person who
 couldn't see who was on the street who kind of had their bowl out for people to support
 them and a woman changed the sign so that it said something really inspiring and their
 donations tripled, you know, something like that.
 So I wonder do you alert people like please donate if you can.
 It will help me get new tires, you know, something like that.
 I haven't been that specific, but my normal dialogue is like they come up to me, they
 ask me how does this even work?
 Like what is this?
 It's like we started on for profits, a free food church.
 We get donations now, so much donations that were set up here today and it's all free.
 If you feel like making a donation for some of my gas money just to keep being here every
 week there's a little donation box.
 Yeah, you know we listen to-
 To bless what I taste mostly towards gas.
 Yeah.
 And sometimes we also have like a beer and wine church too.
 Really?
 It's part of the free food church.
 Free wine church.
 Oh dear.
 Yeah, so there's some beer tasting sometimes and then there's wine tasting also.
 We love wine boxes.
 So we do a wine blessing on Friday nights where we bless the wine in Hebrew.
 One of my Jewish friends says the prayer over there.
 That's normal for that, for that concern.
 Yeah, and break bread and have a little body of Christ too so we get all this amazing bread,
 sometimes from companion and usimanos.
 And where is it?
 It's really great sourdough, Beckman's.
 It's been a really great donation.
 Yeah, Beckman's local too.
 Yeah.
 Is this on the beach or do you have a place where-
 We have someone from Food Not Bombs.
 Don, pick it up.
 Pretty regularly for the Quaker House group.
 Do Not Bombs really taught me originally when I was in college, we do community meals from
 found food that we would go dumpster diving for to get.
 Really?
 Yeah, see you're a veteran dumpster diver.
 Yeah, I guess now how I started was with Food Not Bombs and in college.
 I didn't see this on your Facebook page.
 I can't wait.
 No, the story is really diverse and it probably needs to be spelled out a little more clear.
 It's a little color to your background.
 That's right.
 We knew a guy who used to extol the virtues of dumpster diving and all the amazing things
 that he found and couldn't believe it.
 And so many good stuff and it's just unbelievable that that's being thrown away.
 Oh yeah, so what I've discovered is that to talk directly to the company and there are
 liquidation specialists who can use a non-for-profit number as a tax write off.
 And instead of them just throwing away, they contact me first.
 Like, for example, Freshhold has like six pallets this week.
 I can read down the line of all the supplements that are going to be available this week.
 And a lot of us this DHA, vegetarian, DHA, which is awesome.
 That's great.
 So you just track it up the line a little bit to see the sources of where this is.
 Yeah, you go to the strict of the source.
 I'll just read a couple of the stuff that we have vegetarian DHA, ENADA, NADH, magnesium
 malate, ion charge, trace minerals, chlorella, beta carotene.
 There's like a thousand units of that of the beta carotene.
 And then there's max detox, caps, liver care, superfood, treats, biocell collagen, biotin,
 sleeping recovery, prenatal vitamins, complete milk, digestion, probiotic jelly.
 How many of these do you have?
 I mean, these are all like inventory that you have.
 Yeah, I'm looking at the chart right now.
 So anywhere from two to like a thousand.
 Thousand bottles?
 Yeah.
 So we're probably looking at about two or three palletfuls.
 Oh, fine.
 It takes me a couple of days to pick up.
 I have some help this week from my friend.
 Uh-huh.
 And this is a local company?
 Yeah, so they have their warehouse on the west side by natural bridges, that's called threshold
 enterprises.
 threshold enterprises.
 Yeah, I'm going to be part of rainbow light nutritional systems at one point in time.
 And I've reached out now to Nordic natural.
 So we've picked up a pallet from them.
 And I'm just discovering all these other supplements.
 Oh, no.
 What usually happens to these supplements?
 Do they get thrown away or?
 So they are going to expire in like three or four months.
 So they unload it so that they can make fresher and fresher batch.
 So once it starts to get towards the end, they liquidate it as a tax write off.
 So essentially it's like selling it for the same price.
 Yeah, the funny thing.
 You get the tax write off.
 Oh, it's just a funny thing about expiration dates on things like minerals is that minerals
 don't really expire.
 Those are marketing dates.
 Those are dates that they want them sold by, which really comes down to how often do they
 want them to be reordered more than how often do they, they're not like bioactive things
 that will decay.
 So we get some of the oils will.
 So we try to get them out to the people as soon as possible.
 Yeah.
 And part of it is working with these other distribution centers, just dropping off boxes
 and boxes of the stuff.
 And we've had a lot of great response from people just like, wow, I can't believe you
 all have this.
 I have to usually pay for this at the store.
 And it's here for free.
 I used to have to buy it myself.
 And from gray bears, it was like $20 for four or something.
 You'd get a serious discount, but you'd still have to pay for it.
 Yeah.
 And people would leave a little better donation sometimes when there was like higher end
 products available for free.
 Yeah.
 What about beer companies like Whole Foods?
 Yeah.
 So we do, I guess green bears does get Whole Foods stuff.
 What I'm doing now is working on the grocery outlet and Safeway.
 There is some politics around certain things.
 And I'm trying to work through the health department and try to liberate some food because
 what I'm finding out is that even though some of the meats are sell by dates, that they're
 still good.
 And the way that the Safeway does it is that they weigh it like a whole barrel full of
 how much is in there.
 And then they get it that money returned back to them somehow if they don't sell certain
 stuff.
 So Trader Joe's, for example, owns a lot of their own brands.
 And so they can donate a lot of their extra food to non-for-profits because they own the
 food.
 I assume they do.
 Yeah.
 They have their names on a Trader Joe's brand and stuff.
 Yeah.
 Now with other places, it's other companies so that they see that you didn't sell it,
 they want to know, wait back, and then they return it to a fuel plant.
 So once they get it all weighed out and stuff, they'll just burn it or make fuel from it.
 There's some weird things going on with Safeway that I'm still kind of investigative reporting
 and trying to get to the bottom of what's happening.
 Well, I think they can't resell it because of the, like you say, it's health department
 restrictions on how meat is treated in order to be deemed safe for the public.
 And of course, if it hasn't been frozen and it's been left out for sale for a while, then
 of course there's potential contamination and how do you, they can't sell something
 that's contaminated and they can't, when they take delivery of it, they make an agreement
 that if it isn't sold by such and such a date, this is how it will be disposed of so that
 they can always guarantee that they have fresh stuff.
 And I'm sure that's what you're running into is, in fact, I wanted to ask you how
 often do you end up with stuff that you can't get rid of and what do you do with it?
 Mm-hmm.
 Yeah, what's your solution?
 One of the things that happens usually after every session, just like off at a free food
 church, there's extra veggies available.
 So baros, you need us will sometimes pick up extra produce for their distribution on Saturday.
 And then whatever's left over, sometimes we will, we have a couple chicken farmers who
 gladly receive boxes of fresh veggies or kind of the wilting veggies.
 Then they bring back eggs as a thank you.
 Oh, that's nice.
 That's a good try.
 These would be the more subtle elements of the food recycling ecosystem and how it all
 works.
 Yeah, so there's animals, there's also some goats, folks have some goats and some other
 pigs.
 Right, the animals, yeah, makes sense.
 Yeah.
 So it gets utilized by the animals at one point.
 And then the stuff that sometimes doesn't get utilized like the potatoes, for example,
 this week, we've been planting and we sometimes have extra onions, so we plant those.
 Oh, by this right, you have your farm supply network here.
 Sounds like you could actually help seed some people who want to be domestic farmers, small
 little farms at home where you can get seeds and try growing potatoes and such.
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 You there, Bobby?
 Yeah, I'm here.
 Okay, I'm interrupting.
 And Randall, do you hear it?
 Yes.
 Okay.
 We're all here.
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 Second and middle.
 Yeah.
 All right, your ground.
 So Randall, at this point, I'm curious what your vision is for the next step here.
 Have you anticipated, for example, what if the economy collapses?
 What do you think would happen?
 Do you think food resources will significantly shift in the way it's done?
 Yeah.
 So my hope was with our locals, La Salva distribution group, we were going to have a pot.
 Look and discuss this and see who has land and then start planting it.
 We're about reaching to the companies who are growing food.
 Yeah.
 And part of it is just to get folks growing food locally here and to have places dedicated
 for that.
 And like you said earlier, just help people grow places and maybe just work together
 as a community and growing more food locally.
 Okay.
 So first step distribution of food grow.
 So it's not just a few companies providing our food, but it's distributed.
 Yeah.
 And what I've done, what I did yesterday, for example, is just went and bought some wild
 rice and we have a place here in Lompico called Guacamole Lake.
 And we just worked on clearing it out from invasive species and plants.
 And just to have places where we can grow food that is public space.
 Interesting.
 That's going to be like a nice rice patty there.
 Yeah.
 And then like there's all this land right now.
 We're getting so much rain that the grass is growing really great.
 I've been broadcasting flax seeds, chia seeds.
 We've got a bunch of popcorn, for example, we're going to be planting soon.
 Oh, yeah.
 And beans, like just planting beans, chickpeas, mung beans, black beans.
 Wow.
 And they take off.
 We can be growing them on ditches, food and ditches.
 So edible landscape is one of your goals, huh?
 Yes.
 Part of it is to inspire the community, keep them healthy and what free veggies are of
 abundance right now in our area, but also to transition and get folks actual plants.
 You can say I have a cut piece of lettuce, like a lettuce that's already growing with
 roots and other plants too.
 Mm hmm.
 Yeah.
 Not just feed food, but teach a person a fish basically.
 Yeah.
 So it's like giving them a fish for the day, like teach them to fish so they can eat for
 the rest of their lives.
 Do you have much interaction with the homeless garden project?
 Homeless garden?
 Huh.
 I used to live next door to them when they had their offices at the end of Pacific.
 I volunteered there a couple of times on the Wednesdays and they have a free meal for
 volunteers.
 And I actually know the farm manager he's been stopping by and we're talking about collaboration.
 Oh, good.
 Because they have a bunch of produce they want to donate too.
 Oh fantastic.
 I mean from what they're growing?
 Yes.
 Wow.
 Wow.
 Fascinating.
 So we're networking and we're talking about some options to do that.
 And one of the things I want to do is just set up a little lemonade stand for the kids
 to take care of.
 Lemonade stand, is that what do you mean?
 Well they live next to the offices so it's really close by and just to sell lemonade.
 There's a lot of lemons that I planted over the years that are finally maturing and producing
 fruit.
 Oh, okay.
 So lemons.
 Natural lemonade.
 Yeah.
 So part of we're working with a local nursery.
 We're trying to get donated lemon trees from them and just plant as many fruit trees in
 our area as possible.
 There's the rare fruit society that is the sky on exchange just recently.
 Keep Santa Cruz green.
 Randall, how do you think about concepts like scarcity and abundance?
 Does that apply at all to what you do?
 Hmmm.
 Scarcity, sometimes there's scarcity and finances to get stuff.
 But there's an abundance of food I've discovered.
 So the scarcity is mostly as in the mind.
 If you can't see the abundance, then you're not looking hard enough.
 We live in like the most food abundant place.
 We ship out to the rest of the nation.
 Yeah.
 Love produce.
 Semi-trucks.
 I think it's a way of just perspective.
 And so really what you're dealing with is the abundance.
 You're dealing with food that would otherwise go to waste.
 Is that accurate?
 It seems like it all has a place and there are some vegetables that are gone and they
 have to be composted.
 And then the other end of that, we have worm farms to turn them into compost.
 So nothing has never wasted because it can be recycled again.
 And yet if you want to have a really good broccoli soup, it's best to get it fresh
 as fresh as possible because we had to throw away a bunch of yellow broccoli.
 We had to compost a bunch of yellow broccoli for example.
 Just recently.
 Probably like eight cases full.
 Wow.
 How do you compost?
 Do you have people who have big compost piles that are ready for you or do you figure
 it out every time or what?
 We try to do compost pile here and I've gotten so much trouble just for attracting gnats
 and rats and just all this animal.
 So for me, it's easier just to put it in the yard waste and let the city do it on a large
 scale and then just buy a truckload of finished compost at the end.
 I see.
 Because compost is like a fine art.
 I've noticed a lot of times we try composting and it just gets to acidic or it's a fine
 art to get the best compost.
 So you're using basically city green bins.
 Is that your resource?
 Yes.
 That's what happens to the compost.
 Yeah, it's like the last resort is just putting the green waste and then that gets taken away.
 It's not smelling up around the house and.
 Right.
 And so what about.
 And they have really good deals.
 It's like $20 for whole truckload of compost.
 Oh, from the city?
 From the green waste?
 So if you go up the one, there's the route one landfill.
 North the town is it north of Mission?
 Uh huh.
 North the town.
 North the town.
 Okay.
 Towards Davenport.
 Yeah.
 And they have really good compost there and they have wood chips too.
 All the chewed up wood and landscaping material.
 Firewood there too.
 Oh, yeah.
 So if you sign this contract before you go with you say I'm salvaging some wood today
 for a wood project.
 You sign your name.
 It's a waiver that you won't sue if you get hurt while looking for pieces of boards and
 stuff.
 But there's a huge mountain of just some of it's not so heaps of pulpit.
 Some pieces.
 There's some nice pieces in there.
 You have to kind of pick and choose.
 But my favorite part is to go and get some of these like pavers.
 Sometimes you see a whole truckload of pavers and stepping stones or like concrete fountains
 there.
 We got some pavers that say water on them with a little hole.
 Yeah.
 When the city changed out all of their water manhole covers.
 Yes.
 Our friend was aware of the fact that they were all just stored in this city waste junk
 yard and we went and got enough to build a few paths around our house.
 Yeah.
 I got some of those too.
 That's my favorite thing to pick is the water wafer covers.
 Water covers.
 Yeah.
 They're pretty cool.
 The metal rim around it with the hole.
 Right.
 I thought I stole them.
 I was like no.
 No, no, that's real.
 We're getting rid of them.
 It seems like all the new ones were heavy duty plastic.
 Right.
 And so these real concrete ones we're now in ancient history.
 Hey, they're really good if you're putting them on the ground.
 Yeah.
 They're pretty well.
 But she's living the mountains here.
 Yeah.
 So we have a bunch of them near the kiosk and the kiosk was made from recycled wood from
 millens.
 There's a local miller here over by San Lorenzo lumber in Felton.
 Now tell me about this kiosk you're building.
 Is it a portable little structure that you would see at a Hart and Wine Festival?
 And is this the one down in La Selva?
 Or where is the kiosk?
 What does the kiosk?
 Tell us about that.
 So the kiosk has been, we started with China cabinet.
 We got for free on Craigslist.
 We put a bunch of books in there for like a community library and it got rained on and
 then we had a demo it.
 We started on building this kiosk, which is five by eight by eight.
 So it's eight feet tall, eight feet wide and then five feet deep.
 And it's enough room for two people to sit on each side.
 And the concept is that we have a library in there.
 People can sit down and then the benches you can open up and there can be potatoes or bread
 in there to keep mice from eating the food because that's been one of our main concerns
 about leaving food out overnight as animals getting into it.
 And then to have seed library, a tool library and a toy library there.
 So it's like a multi-use kind of building that's scalable to other neighborhoods too.
 And depending on if people have room for it and my hope is that in La Selva we can build
 another one there in another places too.
 So when you're describing is it Xianti?
 Yes.
 So we've got the basic frame.
 You actually have the tool rental and stuff.
 So we have books that I've curated from Grey Bears.
 They have like a $13 bags.
 You can load up with books.
 So you have real books then in the case library.
 Yes.
 And they're stand pretty dry.
 We have two windows that we need to put it in the back and then a door to lock it.
 And I had a donation box in there and someone kind of prided hoping.
 It wasn't much in there but it should be fixed again.
 And then it should have a writing of how does it work and leave a book, take a book or if
 you wanted to buy the book, leave a donation.
 And you have some food available there too that's free?
 Yes.
 So we just put the boxes of food in now but we're building these benches that will lift
 up and they'll be food inside that people can kind of pick and choose from.
 And you'll have a social zone near or this is so that people can connect with each other?
 Yes.
 So it's right next to this beautiful waterfall in Zionte.
 It's one of our local swimming holes.
 And one of my favorite members is watching some folks get baptized there.
 And part of the hope and the future is to finish the library up.
 And I'm trying to get some local Boy Scouts to do their Eagle project and get the shelves
 just right and seal it up and make it nice and get a little electrical work done to
 it so we can turn on the lights for the free food distribution and people can read at night
 there and listen to the waterfall.
 Well I think what you want to do with the electrical and the lights since that's when
 you start getting into needing permits for buildings and stuff is maybe get some of those
 solar powered ones.
 If you have some that aren't really attached to any kind of city power then it's much
 more likely to be allowed.
 Yeah, we do have some electricians who have their certificate.
 The next step would be for us to create the sauna which is like a area next to it.
 We're trying to series on it.
 But I was thinking now we have a truck that does food, a Mexican food to go truck and
 they've created a little restaurant around their truck here in Boulder Creek and they
 part they have chairs and tables, heaters now.
 Oh yeah, it's become a real outdoor restaurant.
 By the laundry mat.
 That's right.
 Yeah, I thought that was an interesting part of it.
 We were talking about not just having food in a social zone to eat it but also a sauna.
 And you know, that's a mescau.
 You know, the magic mushroom corner.
 Yeah, yeah.
 And portable sauna would be ideal in some ways so it could be moved around and yet at
 the same time this one that we're working on the design with.
 It's more of a Northwest Coast native long house.
 So we've been interested in inviting the Amumatsen to get their perspective and how
 they would want it because part of it is to create healing for the native people that
 used to be here in this valley and create a healing kind of community center space.
 We're all raised as all people can gather together and pray and to have some kind of
 structure of healing through fire and water.
 Well, Randall, I just have to commend you.
 Your energy is so precious and I'm sure that you are reaching a lot of people and inspiring
 a lot of people and helping a lot of people and helping us to be more aware of how many
 good energy programs there are here in Santa Cruz and people who have time or even just
 a desire to be a part of it, how they can get involved.
 Yeah, how would you want people to connect with you?
 So we go up at our distribution sites, we do it on La Salva, 3-5, Quaker House at 6 on
 Wednesday and then Thursdays at the Mountain Resource Center from 10-12 and then Friday
 is the Free Food Church.
 That's how to connect personally with me at that time.
 We're working on our website and social media.
 And what will that be?
 Do you have at URL yet for that?
 No, but I'm working with a computer scientist.
 How about an email?
 Sure, my name is Randall Lee Hopper.
 It's R-A-N-D-A-L-L.
 So there's 3L's E-E Hopper at gmail.com.
 Okay, and I'm noticing you're on Facebook as well.
 Mm-hmm.
 You're through Facebook.
 And messenger.
 Well, this has been a real insightful conversation, Randall.
 You're just so inspiring in so many areas where obviously there's an untapped resource
 that should be a value to our community and that you're helping pave away.
 I just really appreciate all you're doing there.
 Yes, thank you.
 And how much abundance is everywhere if you care to look?
 Mm-hmm.
 Yes.
 Thank you so much for hosting with the most.
 Yeah, thanks for being here, buddy.
 I really appreciate it.
 Alright, thanks Santa Cruz Boys community and all our friends, Bobby, Randall.
 Thank you, Bobby.
 Yeah, thank you, Randall.
 That was wonderful.
 Until next time, have a great future right now.
 Peace out.
 Aloha.
 Aloha.
 Peace.