50 Future Now - Moon Lander falls over, Robots attacked, AI prevents potholes, Obelisks- a new life form, Russian Spirit Fest debuts

Say kids, what time is it? The future is coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on, it's coming on. And here we're coming on to you today from the Wiles of Boulder Creek, California, where it's starting to get a little cloudy and windy out there. And the bandwidth is going in and out.
 Oh, it's very scary with the wind warnings for tomorrow and our neighborhood next door telling people to tune into some emergency websites for flood preparedness.
 We had a mudslide already this week. That's right, we had PG&E and AT&T come by and repair the lines after the mudslide. We ended up having to call our brother to come rescue us because we had to park on the one side of the slide and then he would pick us up on the other side of the slide to bring us home.
 And the PG&E guy would escort us across the danger zone. It was quite exciting.
 It was great because the PG&E team, they are the state team for handling mudslides and they go up and down the state and they were so friendly and so efficient and so helpful and we really liked our PG&E.
 Yeah, we let them know that we had a friend come in and now her and they greeted her as if they knew her. They knew she was. She was surprised.
 Oh yeah, it's so great having texting and messaging and the ability to stay in touch in real time.
 Yes, ma'am, you must depend on your car now and follow me.
 Oh, well, this is from Elle. Dr. Future, well, then they go with it. Yeah, tell you.
 We got also got a fun report this week. We were at the Spirit Festival in San Jose. It's a very small festival at the first Universal Unitarian Church.
 Mostly Russian people thinking about mind-body spirit connections and how that all works from many disciplines that they study in that part of the world.
 I went there to see how it compared with what I knew from my more Western perspective and we have a few excerpts from that show to share with you all.
 We'll probably go into that after the first half an hour here where we'll talk about some of our usual doctor future news elements like Space News, for example, our favorite.
 But first, let's check in with you, Bobby. How's it going over here?
 There's sunshine. This is San Francisco. It's a beautiful day. There's clouds in the sky, but they're coming in and out, but it looks great.
 But, you know, I heard there's an atmospheric river coming in. Is that right?
 That's what the water system seems to be. The term being bandied about.
 Yeah. I'm going to expect a little more rain later this week, I guess. We'll see.
 Yeah. Wednesday, apparently. All right. I was just going to get into some of our stories before we go to our Spirit Fest piece.
 One is that the messenger comet, Regu. It was an asteroid return sample mission.
 And they're wondering if organic matter might have been on board the asteroid.
 Yeah. This is the first time that they retrieved from an asteroid. The Japanese were able to land on the asteroid, pick up some more than dust on the surface, and then
 land it in the desert. The high abosa too. Yeah. And it was a big deal for them to bring it back on Earth and observe it.
 Yeah. They returned to Earth in 2018. It's been about 18 months studying the asteroid, so it's proven to be a real treasure trove of information.
 Some of the data is coming in. That's what's new this week. Their team found origins of life in what they call "melts splashes."
 M-E-L-T splashes, melt splashes. Those are 5 to 20 micrometer wide little splashes in the commentary dust.
 And they're thinking that within these melt splashes, they'll find small carbonaceous materials similar to primitive organic matter.
 Primitive organic matter on an asteroid? What does that suggest in terms of origin of life?
 They're thinking that it might be the seeds of life that are delivered from space to Earth. And that's maybe how Earth lifeforms got started was from these splashes on asteroids.
 Organic matter is in these small seeds of life. So that's one of the exciting conclusions they're coming to is that we're asteroid-borne...
 Or we made a stardust. I guess ultimately, right? It goes down to the stones. But they're figuring out that probably the pan-spermia idea that life is everywhere
 and spread throughout the universe through agents like comets and asteroids makes sense that that might actually be the case that life does spread through these means.
 And the time element doesn't seem to matter too much because they've got an infinity of time in the universe.
 And so it just unfolds at a rate of speed that it actually works. There's a lot of speculation that the more advanced lifeforms in universe are probably not carbon-based, but more silicon-based because they can live for thousands
 if not millions of years without any bodily degradation to speak of. Contact with silica entities.
 Well, they'd probably, if I were a silica, I'd look for other silica intelligences initially and they'd probably discover primitive forms of themselves in our AI computers.
 Probably contact our AIs before they contact us. Mirror speculation. Something to think about.
 I think they would understand our silicon-based computers better than we do.
 I think so. They might even figure out how to program them. They'd find it fascinating to look at early origins of silicon-based intelligence.
 A fine example being our machines. I guess would any alien intelligence that was mucking with our AIs, would any of them have the equivalent of like they have in Star Trek of the first, the prime directive?
 Would an alien intelligence that is mucking with our AIs have a prime directive against doing that?
 Or would they give themselves the freedom to, say, upgrade our systems so that they were sent in, for example?
 Or would they be democratically inclined to look for locals who they could work with?
 Yeah, I'll find it. Who invented those things? Let's talk to them.
 I kind of believe it's that way because I believe that most of the universe, if our story of who we are on Earth is changing to fit this new era of wiser humans,
 I think that when we understand that we are related to intelligences that beyond our own, and we're just like little animals, little children creatures on this tiny little terrarium planet,
 and that we have more advanced beings who are here with us and have been all along and are actually caretaking this ecosystem with us,
 mostly they let us do our own thing and believe that we have free will, but when we start mucking it up, they start looking for opportunities to intervene.
 So certain interventions are sometimes necessary, especially if the beings are asking for help.
 Right, and I think that since they are helping us to cultivate our divine purpose of having free will and self-determination and trying to execute our divine purpose with our best judgment,
 they would like parents give us opportunities to improve ourselves and stop making the same mistakes. And so they would look for those of us who could communicate with them and could understand how to recognize problems and address them with better solutions.
 It's not like we're not allowed to make mistakes. We just have to learn that they're mistakes and not make the same ones over and over again.
 Yeah, they probably understand computers, but it was something in the past like the way we look at calculators or even more primitive things than that.
 Yeah, I think so. I think anything that we automate is such a tiny little, it's like a ticker.
 We turn, we start obsessing on some little tiny detail like a number that we have represented like the number of earthquakes, right?
 And we start counting it and then we come up with a machine that counts it faithfully so that we have data and then we turn that data into some kind of useful feedback loop so that we can say protect ourselves during an earthquake because we can see that it's coming through some comprehension of the data.
 Well, the fact that we were able to use a machine to look at that one tiny sliver of information does not mean that machines are smarter than we are.
 It means that we created a machine to be one of our sensors of our environment so we could then internalize that information in a larger picture and make it useful.
 And that's the role of computers, we are creating them so we can co-create our feedback loop with the environment to better serve life and better serve the future.
 And explore it. It's such a vast universe, 100 billion star systems and we barely begun.
 Yeah, we need the AIs is all they can do because still even with all their intelligence and all the intelligence of Mother Gaia and us, we're still one planet.
 One planet will open again. And it's really in the local galaxy a lot. Yeah, I mean, it seems like if we were awake, we would understand our backyard at least, which would be our galaxy.
 You'd hope so, but we have to get there. We have to overcome our own self-imposed limitations like killing each other off before we reach our maturity.
 Yeah, yeah. Also, you have to consider that the kind of consciousness that will allow you to see the stars is probably not the same as what our consciousness is today, or at least on a societal level, probably be a little bit more inclusive.
 Right. Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel like the sibling rivalry, the kind of animalistic competitiveness that is baked into our DNA is a level of civilization below the level of free will and choice, which is coming from more of a wisdom understanding of the greater universe.
 When you're just selfish oriented because you have to dominate some other sibling of yours, that is a very small world compared to the universe that we want to explore.
 Yeah, it'll keep you there until you understand. Yeah, because what you project is what you reflect and what you experience.
 For example, exactly. Which brings me to one of the excerpts I have from the Russian Spirit Festival.
 Oh, yeah, tell me about that. Did you do anything? Well, let me see. There was a specific element. One of the first things we saw was a ritual where the master stands in the center of a circle and people form a circle around him.
 Which happened to be a labyrinth in this case for anybody who likes a little extra mystery. It was a labyrinthian circle, but it was a circle in the middle of a dome, a dome building.
 And the teacher put on some music. Like that.
 It was very soothing for a meditation. So we shared that meditation space together in a circle.
 And then the teacher would just allow us to relax as we realized he would face each student individually or choose one. And then he would look like he would put his hands out or direct some energy in their direction.
 Like he's in the center bringing in some cosmic energy that applies to people who are turning around. He kind of knew where who to talk to next. And then after about ten minutes of that, people essentially got to leave without hardly saying anything.
 No one was really much talking during this whole thing. Okay, American workshops are usually people are speaking much more frequently.
 What was so interesting is that the entire spirit fest was created by one of America's great micro communities. In this case, it was an association mostly of women, but some men, it was a healing network.
 And it was the kind of healing network that comes together in such events that we like to go to say as the new living expo or the whole life expo.
 It was people who are very integrated with spirit, body, mind practices. And in this case, this practice was called Cosmo Energetics.
 And it is taught in this mostly Russian speaking community as a way of quieting your mind so that you can tune into frequencies of consciousness that are from higher dimensions.
 Other intelligences too. We spoke a bit afterwards to the teacher about this and to his teacher, who was a woman about how this works.
 And it kind of fits a lot of the thinking that I've had about the brain having a transceiver that's picking up information remotely, non-local information, and that that transceiver connects us to like a cosmic internet that's already in place that's been in place for a long time, connecting the universe with itself.
 It's part of our equivalent of a nervous system.
 Natasha Madsen, who we spoke with.
 His first name is Dennis, and he's one of her students. Natasha Madsen.
 Does this have ancient tradition behind it?
 Yeah, many channels are associated with different deities. It's good in that way.
 Did it? Sometimes Saint Mohammed, Saint Jesus, or Buddha, or whatever, in the right different blocks of cosmo energy with many channels that are.
 I was explaining to today mainly her work with energy of Gaia and Earth and energy of fire. It was a specific avatar of God of Fire.
 It's a purel. It's a slob. It's a slob. It's a purel.
 It's a fire. It's a chagony.
 Sure. That's very powerful.
 We have much to work with the fire as we live in the mountains here and the wildfires.
 Though I have been to a dozen burning men, so the good thing, shamanically about burning men, is that you can see large fire without fear.
 You can watch it. You can watch it for hours.
 So it becomes more of an entity than just a fire.
 It's a consciousness.
 Yeah, consciousness.
 Is it an immersion? The experience? Like this?
 How do you connect with the fire yourself?
 We have techniques in cosmo energy addicts. We can work with entities.
 Entities like God of Fire is one of nature's.
 Not a creature, is it?
 So we can connect with people who developed this method before us, learn how to connect to many different entities and it's the reason technique to do.
 What about Gaia herself? Do you feel like there's an entity there?
 Of course. That's what we did today. Part of your negative energy went to Gaia.
 Of course.
 Didn't you do that anymore?
 Yeah, I did.
 Do you feel lighter?
 I feel very light, yes.
 Do you feel that Gaia is in touch with other Gaia's in the universe?
 Of course. We are all connected.
 So it's all on.
 It's all on consciousness.
 Yeah. Of course. And the more developed the beamies, the more connected the beam is to move to unconsciousness.
 So the strangest alien would be some aspect of ourselves.
 Yeah? Absolutely.
 We all know that.
 [laughter]
 That's a relief in a way.
 So do you feel more connected now to all other people in this world?
 I do, especially you.
 It's especially you.
 Yeah. And it's Fiddler on Earth who brought us here.
 How about you here?
 Yeah.
 Oh yeah.
 Great love for her.
 It's special.
 Yeah.
 Thank you.
 So yeah. Love energy is what connects us all.
 Thank you.
 Thank you for allowing us to understand it in English.
 You know, I think not having any Russian and being here with such a beautiful Russian community.
 We appreciate that you came in too.
 I know.
 No, that will get it.
 So we plan to expand this to English speaking communities.
 Yeah.
 I mean, we are trying this format and then we will expand.
 So yes, the strangest alien, if it's an indeed a connected universe,
 the strangest alien would be some aspect of ourselves.
 Yeah.
 The teacher who formulates this method and teaches this practice calls it her own space energy school.
 And she's used this energy to change her life, to heal her health.
 And she teaches it to clients for more than eight years.
 And I think that the entire spirit fest was full of people who really have mastery of going beyond their small version of
 self and connecting with what we are calling the higher self, the fifth dimensional understanding of our connection to the wholeness.
 The American terms, bandied on this area, are ascension.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 And ascension, not to by dying in going to heaven, but ascension in the context of recognizing,
 recognizing, connecting with your higher self and knowing what that is.
 Yeah.
 And a lot of people were doing these kind of practices in a Buddhist tradition or a Celtic tradition involving runes and
 meditation.
 Svetlana, our host who had invited us, she is actually conducting workshops, teaching people methods used by Stan Groff and also
 involving the use of psychedelics, or she practices consulting with neonatal mothers as a doula and helping them to hear the story of their incoming children.
 So all of these ways that people are trying to access that space of personal knowing that is an inside channel.
 It's not subject to this scientific method where everybody has to experiment on their own in a disconnected way.
 Many people are discovering that it is a subjective yet objective reality that can be accessed through breathing and mental disciplines and protocols.
 That's what this festival was dedicated to.
 And Svetlana was one of the main characters that brought us who had met her at the camp Campbell YMCA where she was running the programs there, including the swimming pool, which is an Olympic sized,
 amazing heated pool here in the Santa Cruz Mountains that is actually the YMCA of Silicon Valley.
 So they have amazing facilities out here, including this outdoor Olympic swimming pool.
 And that's how we met her.
 And Svetlana's background. And she introduced her to Nick Herbert, who are quantum physicist buddy who tracks consciousness and physics.
 Her background is that she has, from Russia, she worked with people that were doing dolphin immersion healing work.
 And so she has always been a silly coach.
 How much I'm really here in the West.
 Right.
 We see that I have a sample of her voice.
 Here.
 Let's see.
 From top of the hill, I can see the ocean from south to the half moon.
 Yeah, this is it.
 Big house.
 Big house.
 You can see the ocean from Santa Cruz to half moon back.
 With the use of the ocean, the forest, the hills.
 And the place.
 The place for like a static dance, for...
 Static dance workshops.
 The tree and place.
 Like a secret place for a collective reservoir.
 It's very nice, much as big, much as...
 Huh?
 The pool.
 It's dead off of integration work.
 And the big pool.
 Oh, yeah.
 This is like an excellent...
 It is like a new Eso lab.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 Okay.
 That's good.
 It's like a new Eso lab.
 It was a vision she's had for a very long time.
 Kind of an Eso lab place off a skyline drive towards La Honda.
 So stay tuned.
 In the future, I'm sure we will visit her there and see what kind of program she's offering.
 And of course, we're big fans of different kinds of healing techniques.
 When that comes together, this is a big vision.
 Yeah, it's near us.
 And La Honda, which is right near where the American counterculture got its start with Ken Keezy and the Mary Pranksters.
 All of that area.
 Alice's restaurant.
 Alice's restaurant, right.
 Right.
 So naturally a Russian originated Esolin would kind of make sense.
 Absolutely.
 So on that note, we'll be right back.
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 It's something that I found really interesting.
 A lot of folks I know are tracking their steps on a daily basis.
 Generally, we hear that like 10,000 steps are supposed to be the ideal number.
 Well, that's about two miles, maybe a little more.
 Could be as much as three miles, I suppose.
 Yeah.
 It is a slog to do 10,000 steps.
 That's a day.
 So I was really excited to read this article about it.
 It's about 45 minutes, I think.
 Maybe 20 minutes of walking is fine.
 But it looks like that is less number.
 It's not 8,000 or 10,000.
 It's like 5,500 steps a day.
 Well, I wonder who's judging.
 Right?
 I mean, the fact that we're counting steps is already turning something that is very individual into some generalized statistic.
 I don't really like going that direction with health recommendations.
 Oh, right.
 I like.
 I'm going towards individual.
 Yeah, individual.
 You know some friends who hate walking.
 Well, especially so many of our friends have trouble walking.
 I mean, how many people are dealing with bad knees and bad hips and discomfort?
 Exactly.
 Right?
 Even you have your ankle flare up sometimes, right?
 That's right.
 You're in too much pain to walk.
 They found that about a quarter of folks who stepped up their walking tended to be on the bottom 25% of chance of dying.
 Seems to improve your chance of living considerably.
 Mm-hmm.
 Wow, that's cool.
 They said at age 60 and older, this reduced risk topped out at around 6,000 to 8,000 steps a day.
 Uh-huh.
 So that was less than the 10,000.
 Well, again, when people are talking about risk, they're talking about statistics.
 Yeah.
 And I am personally rather offended by the abuse of statistics to give people individualized advice.
 I feel like people are confused enough without trying to fit their own personal habits into an average of thousands of people.
 Oh, yeah.
 And the only interesting thing is that even young people could do well to walk more, but there isn't any evidence that they necessarily live longer by walking more than 8,000 to 10,000 steps a day.
 I can accept that.
 Okay.
 And as the rate drops, what really matters, their major takeaway from this is that there's a lot of evidence suggesting that moving even a little more, little more than you do now is beneficial.
 Sure.
 But particularly if those are doing very little activity.
 That's the bonus part about it.
 It starts off being a little painful because your body has built up a layer of crustiness and maybe is inflamed a little.
 Just like when I start the car and I haven't done it for a while, I'll rev it really high a few times to get it going.
 Yeah.
 Try that on your body.
 Rev it up.
 Yeah.
 I don't know if you can do that on an electric car though.
 You try to rev it.
 You jump forward.
 Is there a neutral on the electric car?
 Not a whiplash.
 Can you rev the engine to be a neutral on an electric car?
 I know.
 It's like a go-cart.
 Oh, you have to let you go.
 As soon as you hit it, you get motion.
 Yeah.
 Instant.
 No way of reving your engine.
 No, there's no idle.
 It's a direct-preparing system.
 Yeah.
 Next step.
 Okay.
 All right.
 Well, there you go.
 So just rev your system up for half an hour a day of pretty good exercise.
 They said it should be sufficient to improve your chances.
 All right.
 What else you got for us here?
 My brother had pointed this out to me this week.
 It was something called obelisks.
 It's a entirely new class of life.
 And it's been found in the human digestive system.
 Oh, right.
 Yeah.
 They keep finding smaller and smaller kingdoms to call life.
 This isn't just a microbe.
 This is something that lives inside a microbe.
 It's one of the things in the microbes body that's a separate organism.
 Hey, just little tiny bits of genetic material.
 Really small, really primitive life.
 A little worm type.
 You know, in every cell in your body, there's things mitochondria.
 Uh-huh.
 And they offer microbes that have their own DNA that are not your DNA.
 They're their own bacterium that has existed for billions of years.
 Yeah.
 And if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be alive.
 All our energy is pretty good.
 The mitochondria.
 Yeah, that was quite a deal, wasn't it, to create us as being warm-blooded creatures.
 These are microbes.
 Yeah.
 There are other creatures inside of yourselves.
 And you can have between a dozen to a thousand of these in each cell.
 These would be creatures that would live inside the mitochondria.
 Right?
 Another layer of life.
 And what their relationships are with each other.
 And the organisms that they inhabit, which are the larger microbes.
 What kind of deals that they make, a la, along the lines of the mitochondria.
 Mm-hmm.
 Seems like nature would be full of little deals of creatures collaborating with other little
 creatures to create a better reality for them both.
 Mm-hmm.
 Yes, I was very interested in just the way that these little obelisks were identified.
 And the fact that the team that discovered them then looked for them in 30,000 different
 data sets.
 And once they knew what to look for, they just ran a search of existing data.
 And when they did that, they found that about 10% of the data on human microbiomes that
 they looked at had evidence of these little structures.
 So 10%?
 Yeah, about 10% of the data sets.
 And now it could be that the data sets for some reason weren't calibrated to find such things.
 But it raises a lot of questions.
 Are there only 10% of the humans that actually have them?
 Or is it we don't know what to look for?
 I think that's latter.
 I think it's more likely we'll find what that 10% have in common at certain point.
 And then that will be why they choose that.
 Mm-hmm.
 Those particular organisms.
 Mm-hmm.
 Right.
 So it could be literally an identifying feature of certain parts of human species.
 It could help in finding, identifying feature.
 Yeah, there's something in this 10% that connect.
 Right.
 We haven't figured out yet.
 Get the AIs on it.
 We must know what these highly symmetrical rod-like structures are made from and how are they twisted?
 Right.
 One of the lengths of their RNA.
 Yeah.
 Well, the idea that this means that somehow these little DNA samples are a life form that
 actually colonists of different human microbiomes.
 So certain parts of the planet maybe had asteroids rain down on them and have a little genetic
 visitors from afar.
 Yeah, yeah.
 And so those people inhaled it and it became part of their DNA.
 It really puts you in a mindset of how did our evolution on this planet, how were we affected
 by the cosmos over time?
 In many ways, I'd say.
 You know those tanks, underground tanks that capture cosmic particles that flow through
 the earth?
 They used to be made out of cleaning fluid.
 Nutrinos?
 Nutrinos?
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Well, that's one of them.
 Yeah, right.
 I guess they found a few of them, right?
 A few particles that are actually passing.
 They're trying to create an interaction so that they see a little light come from it or some
 identifying a neutrino.
 Yeah, they're like very large swing pulls 10 miles deep in the ground.
 As deep as they can go.
 Right.
 And then they would have these photon centers and every so often you'd see a flash or they
 would pick up a flash in this swimming pool.
 Yeah.
 And that was a neutrino.
 That was a neutrino, right?
 Exactly.
 That broke apart and hit some water molecule and flashed.
 Now, what I'm wondering is what happens when a neutrino hits biology, when it hits a biological
 organism?
 It's probably very rare.
 Wouldn't it cause some kind of possible mutation?
 Yes, DNA mutation probably.
 Yes.
 For neutrino mutations.
 And I suspect from this article what they're suspecting is Gabby sent this a couple of days
 ago that we would not exist if it wasn't for viruses.
 I think that viruses are even more primitive than the bacterium that they were killing off.
 And I suspect these viruses, they can actually change DNA and they can transfer from one
 species to another DNA material information.
 And that's what they're.
 That's what they do.
 They're a transport system.
 The viruses are a transport system.
 So it was probably either these RNA plasmids that in this article they're talking about
 or another level of viruses probably started the whole.
 The whole idea of life itself.
 Yes.
 On this planet probably.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, there are the stem cells of life.
 Very early stem cells.
 A proto-life almost.
 I don't know.
 If I was a gene cook, a chef who put together chemical combinations to incite life, I'm
 not sure I would put the tiniest things in first that like when I cook, I usually put
 the salt in after the big stuff, not before the big stuff.
 Just saying.
 That life, the combinations that made life, maybe they depend on these little tiny viral
 type structures, but I don't know that they were created by them.
 Well, we're.
 It's a co-creation, you know.
 Stepping stones.
 Causally co-creation.
 Yeah.
 Just saying.
 I'm just using a cooking method.
 You would do.
 You put the seasoning on last.
 Yeah, I treat the viral part of it since it's the tiniest part of it as the flavor, as the
 refining layer after you've put the main ingredients together.
 I'd put the big stuff in first.
 Emtypical cooking, but I think you have to change the paradigm here in this future.
 Like maybe think more like if you were creating the program for a food replicator.
 Yeah, I am.
 I think a food replicator would have to start with the big stuff first and then go down narrower
 channels by using smaller things.
 Just saying.
 It's all speculation.
 You think there wouldn't be a standard group of things that you'd be able to create most
 food out of?
 Kind of like in television, we have red, green, blue for generating all the colors of the
 rainbow.
 I don't know.
 I think that the structures, if you're using intelligence to create new life forms and
 you're evolving something from a pre-existing state to a post-existing state through manipulation,
 I think you start with larger things that have a fixed relationship to each other and
 fit together like big blocks.
 Then those things can be modified through refinement, a little of blocks.
 The protein, the sauce, the spice.
 Yeah.
 That order.
 Yeah.
 Gotcha.
 Okay.
 Meatballs.
 Just like if we were Star Trek people that could go to other planets, I think we just look
 at a planet that, let's say there was no life on it.
 You'd look at what the materials are and then you'd like a program called RNA and DNA.
 These viruses are very good at transferring DNA.
 I would put the DNA and it would actually take the materials of that planet in a very
 primitive sense in the first millions of years and convert these into proteins, eventually
 complex proteins.
 And that would become the food to make whatever organisms after that.
 Yeah.
 So you have to look at these viruses as very specific programs to program materials of
 a planet.
 Viruses would create the living matter replicators.
 Yeah.
 They could live in matter.
 They're a program, a program code mostly.
 Yeah.
 They would go to different planets, see what would work there and then create it from
 the most basic level.
 Well, you know, really the myth that has informed me around my thoughts on this that
 recently came into my view.
 I've been talking about the Roswell Alien and one of the thought forms that was new to
 me that I'm really embracing is that the intelligence civilization, let's not say the
 humans or the extraterrestrials, but the intelligence civilization that, the sentient civilization
 that preceded life on earth was actually an intentional intelligence civilization that
 is in the business for trillions of years of seeding life on planets around different
 types of stars.
 And so the intelligence to do that involves having the data of what kind of energy is
 available outside of different kinds of stars and what kind of materials are available on
 planets outside of those existing stars.
 And having that level of mastery of the universal chemistry kit is something that just makes
 our little experiments here on earth just one tiny little speck of one recipe inside
 of a galactic cookbook.
 That's which we're just opening.
 Yeah, which we're just starting to be able to read our own page.
 And there's only one chapter says to serve man.
 For dinner.
 That's been well read.
 For breakfast.
 Let's put us in a smoothie.
 I'm aish to our Rod Serling friend.
 Oh, the recipe was how to serve man.
 Yeah, it was to serve man as a famous Twilight episode.
 Aliens really going to save our butts, but that was just a roost to eat us.
 You know, great episode.
 Poor Rod, you know, he died young too.
 I think he died at 49 and there's a caffeine smoke.
 Oh, he was so addicted.
 He was like, really bad, bad health habit and a lot of fun with not very good endings
 for us anyway.
 Yeah.
 Still, I love this series.
 So obelisks that new class of life just may be another you might call it part of the
 missing link story that's a no form of life or a simplified form of life that helped create
 more and foster greater life or getting down into that level of universe and being able
 to check it out the creatures that live inside microbes.
 The obelisks like 2001 space Odyssey, except they're tiny instead of huge.
 Speaking of new discoveries that challenge our understanding universe.
 Yeah, you got something big.
 I was thinking of the moon sniper myself.
 Oh, okay.
 Let's talk about the moon.
 That is iconic picture that Japanese.
 Yeah, the spacecraft the landed upside down on the moon.
 Congratulations, Jaxa.
 Yeah.
 You got a moonlander taking pictures, sending them home.
 What's amazing is that it landed upside down without crushing it must have just turned
 it upside down to last minute.
 One of their landing rockets went out and so it landed on its side.
 It couldn't write itself.
 It's upside down.
 Yeah.
 It did a great job.
 It was on autopilot on the way down.
 And so it can it takes so many seconds for us to control it.
 So they needed autopilot on the.
 Yeah.
 One of the comb that surrounds the rocket on one of them had kind of broken off before
 it landed.
 Oh.
 And so it was able to correct itself and it sensed, oh, well, there's something wrong
 here and one of the four rockets was not responding correctly.
 So it did do a soft landing, but it ended up on its side and it unfortunately the solar
 panels were on its side, not facing the sun at the time.
 So they initially they wouldn't come back on, but when it did that solar cycle, it did
 charge the panels a little bit.
 Oh, that's good.
 And fortunately, that rover was jettison before it landed.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's right.
 They had those little robots that bounce around and jump on the sun.
 They got out and somebody get a remote shot of the lander.
 Yeah.
 That's what I'm talking about.
 That shot is amazing.
 You guys get a chance to see that.
 But it does look upside down to me.
 And I can't see that being the size.
 It is.
 Fortunately, it was a soft landing.
 If it was a crash landing none of this stuff, you wouldn't see any of this stuff.
 Exactly.
 That's what I was thinking.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 All these things are made of something like tin foil, right?
 They're very fragile.
 Pretty light.
 Yeah.
 So they'll get a little bit of information now that it's getting some sun, getting a
 little juice.
 I understand it wasn't really designed to handle the lunar nights very well.
 So it's going to take advantage of the daytime that it's in now.
 Okay.
 And this is it for that.
 They're sending a few pictures from what I've conceived.
 Imagine they would have a few other multi-band devices picking up spectrometer information,
 stuff like that.
 I like to see that too.
 Yeah.
 It's amazing.
 The Japanese have named the rocks in the area.
 Yeah, that's not such a genius.
 And they've named them all after types of dogs.
 So that you know how big these dogs are, right?
 You've got the Saint Bernard is off in the distance and the Shibaenu and the one that
 we see the picture of in this article is from the Toy Poodle, which is a tiny rock that's
 like close to the lander.
 Yeah.
 In Japanese, when you have those last three letters, I knew that means dog.
 Oh, I knew.
 Shibaenu.
 I knew.
 I knew.
 So Shiba, of which we know as it's a Japanese dog and Akita is another Japanese dog.
 So they're Akita, I knew and Shibaenu.
 Yeah, I think it was the Shibaenu that were famous TikTok movies of them getting a manic
 cure and having their ears washed, they're totally enjoying the process.
 Oh, I love those TikTok movies.
 Yeah, I love their...
 That's a Shibaenu huh?
 Shibaenu.
 I do believe.
 You're very cute.
 That's my favorite dog, really.
 That's probably the most popular dog in Japan.
 I'm not surprised.
 I like that they landed in the Shioli Crater, which translates as the Sea of Nectar.
 So the Sea of Nectar is about 200 miles south of the Sea of Tranquility where our Apollo
 11 mission landed.
 200 miles.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 So Sea of Nectar.
 Isn't that very Japanese to land in the Sea of Nectar?
 Especially when it's a barren wasteland from the American point of view.
 Yeah.
 That Sea of Nectar.
 Cherry blossom Sea of Nectar.
 That is optimistic.
 And seeing a bulldog in that rock, man, that's pretty good.
 And a toy poodle.
 And a supernard.
 Yeah, right.
 I mean, they've had a whole bunch of dogs just that a few rocks around the lander.
 Yeah.
 That's the name they named them.
 So check it out.
 We've got some of the posters up on our website at drfuturishow.com/links.
 And you'll be able to see what these are.
 They would make nice posters, actually.
 Pretty cool.
 Closeups.
 Well, congratulations.
 Japan is now the fifth nation to have landed a vehicle on the moon.
 They're on lander.
 Soft landing.
 Yeah.
 Soft landing.
 Yeah.
 Because they tried before.
 But other countries have tried, but they had a crash.
 The Indians were still crash landing.
 But they've subsided later.
 Yeah.
 In August, they succeeded.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Well, this one reminded me of a turn of the 19th century film about a man to the moon,
 where the moon is smiling.
 Only that moon, the Air Brothers.
 Yeah.
 Wasn't it called the Man in the Moon?
 I think it is the Man in the Moon by the Air Brothers.
 They fired a rocket at the moon, landed on the moon.
 Lighten his eye, smiling at the moon.
 Hit the man in the moon, right in the eye.
 It looks just like that.
 Also on Space News, this week we do have a little piece on how Northrop Gruman has figured
 out how to build an orbital refueling port.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's interesting.
 And it's been deployed for the US military satellites.
 It's a passive refueling module.
 It'd be the first one, a standard interface for military satellites that allow them to
 refuel in orbit.
 Yeah.
 So if you want to know what gas tanks are going to look like in orbit, there's a
 gasket of it's space.
 Right.
 It really is just.
 It is right out of 2001 in Space Odyssey, folks.
 Yeah.
 You've got to see it.
 Well, what the article makes the point is that because Northrop Gruman has published
 this technology, it is likely to become the standard for satellite fuel transmission
 in space.
 Yeah, the docking mechanism standards, the kind of thing.
 Right.
 Sort of like your gas pump.
 It's going to be your space gas pump.
 It's a fuel station in space.
 Satellite's fuel station.
 With different nozzles or different types of fuel, you don't want to mistake hydrazine
 for carbon dioxide.
 Right.
 Your pellets, hydrazine, is used to basically write the direction of your little craft
 in space.
 You just do a little, and then you're facing a different direction.
 So all the little satellites be running out of their fuels and they'll need to go get
 to the gas station and get some.
 Right.
 Now, I would imagine they would move the gas station to the satellites since many of them
 are in specific orbits and only have a limited amount of fuel to move around.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 It's that Space Force is going to be giving them a contract for more of these apparatus
 in their future vehicles.
 More gas stations.
 Because the Northrop-Rumin Space Logistics subsidiary is the only commercial firm to
 have successfully serviced satellites in geostationary orbit.
 They have precedence.
 Yeah, it's actually docked twice with Intel satellites.
 Intel sets refuel already, huh?
 Yeah, 22,000 miles above the Earth.
 Well, it's typically been that they run out of fuel.
 That's it for that satellite in terms of navigation.
 Yeah, you can't control where it's going.
 Well, they're looking with electrostatic.
 That's electrostatic navigation too, using electricity for navigating.
 There's some experiments, but it's very slow and very sluggish compared to gas.
 Hydrazine propellant.
 Well, what kinds of, yeah, some of them just have a little push of air just to move them
 a little bit.
 Right.
 We could use this on Hubble a long time ago.
 Yeah, yeah.
 They had to re-chart or redo that manually with the space shuttle.
 Oh, yeah.
 Well, but maybe Hubble, maybe they hadn't invented the gas pump yet.
 Yeah, maybe they didn't have the design.
 Well, I wonder is how they refuel the gas station.
 We have these big trucks, double trailer trucks, gas stations in America now.
 It must have the equivalent up there, some giant rocket.
 Yeah, so far all we have going up there is the actual pump handle.
 Now we need the pump and then we need the tank.
 Yeah.
 Well, in this case, any refueler of the fuelers is going to use 90% of its gas to get into
 orbit so that it can do its job.
 So it's got to be really big.
 90% gas to put 10% up for the next refuel of the next satellite.
 It takes about 9 to 1 ratio of fuel weight to payload.
 Yeah, that's why a lot of the business of space is going to happen in space where they
 don't have to deal with gravity.
 Now gravity is expensive.
 It is.
 If you're trying to get somewhere.
 Yeah, at least with propellants.
 Well, at least it's expensive if you're trying to get away from it.
 If you're trying to use it to accelerate you towards where you want to go and you're
 already motion.
 It's great.
 It's great.
 You know?
 You understand a little bit.
 Of course, the ion beams have been a very interesting propulsion system.
 They work very slowly.
 They push a trail of ions out behind the spacecraft.
 This looks like a little laser beam, like a little laser pointer.
 The energy generated by that beam is very, very, very slow, but it slowly builds up.
 You can keep it on for years at a time.
 Sure.
 That just keeps on like a barge moving a little bit faster and faster.
 Right.
 Eventually it gets up to tens of thousands of miles an hour, right?
 Yeah.
 Okay, we're back.
 Welcome back.
 Okay.
 So before we saw Roodly interrupted by the news.
 I noticed.
 We didn't notice.
 What do we care?
 That's recorded.
 We're live.
 Like I still listen to radio anymore, except in the car maybe.
 I don't think that's true.
 No.
 When do you listen to the radio?
 Actually tone into it.
 I do listen to it when I have a link that tells me there's some reason to do.
 A link.
 That's the thing.
 It's a computer.
 It's not like the days of Art Bill where we used to tune in all night, start at 10 o'clock
 and listen till two.
 You have to actually be there at 10.
 Yeah.
 It's like you actually have to be at our show at one.
 Right.
 Most of our listeners don't do that.
 Real time is best for interactivity.
 Hey, speaking of which, why don't you tell people the phone number in case anybody wants
 to call in.
 We have a live phone here at Santa Cruz Voice and you are welcome to use it because it
 does see if it actually works.
 This is when we're airing live.
 So if you call us, we'll know it and we'll pick up and say hi and give you two cents
 on the air and welcome to the conversation.
 Number, actual number.
 Number numbers.
 A31.
 265.
 5050.
 A31.
 265.
 5050.
 All right.
 We get charged for your calls by the way.
 Oh.
 So Santa Cruz Voice, we can handle it.
 We're growing fast.
 Big operation here.
 It's really fun to be part of this organization that's such a beautiful community organization.
 It's got really great shows about local events and local politics and local matters of conscience.
 People are very, very fond of the cannabis show I know and very, very fond of the locals
 live show and give some shout outs to some of our other really great shows like Bettina
 McB gives a, she has a wonderful show about local arts.
 It's called Bettina's Buzz Saturday morning.
 I think we should call in some of the other shows.
 See how that goes.
 That'd be fun.
 Sure.
 Oh, and let's not forget right after our show we've got Luigi.
 I love Luigi.
 I love Luigi.
 And sleepy John doing a show on keeping your computer safe.
 Well, my favorite thing about Luigi is his specialty in scams.
 Oh, yeah.
 He's really great.
 He's a good scam tracker.
 That's for sure.
 Yeah, you get Luigi's scam detector.
 You'll be very happy.
 And you can call in.
 You've been scammed for something.
 Call Luigi.
 He'll give you some insight into it.
 And it's after our show.
 Right.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 I'll have to do it.
 And again, I want to give people that number A3, 1, 2, 6, 5, 50, 50.
 There's something you got to share with us.
 We're all ears.
 One of the pet peeves up here in the mountains are how the roads deteriorate.
 You're going along just fine and then boom.
 Your tire goes into a hole and potholes the bane of my existence up here.
 We've got a bunch circled around our mailbox collection down below on two bar.
 Those holes make tire companies very happy and they happen all over the place.
 So how can we get rid of potholes?
 That's always been a vexing problem for me.
 And today I was delighted to see that there was an article in Interesting Engineering,
 I think it's to my friend Hal who noted it, that the first autonomous pothole preventing
 robot is being tested.
 Where?
 What is it doing?
 Well, this is in the UK.
 Oh, right.
 In the UK.
 Right.
 It's a significant event and it's a pothole preventing robot.
 That's not like filling the potholes.
 It's a pain to do.
 That takes a lot more effort to make good.
 But if you can catch them early on in the formation, then you can prevent potholes from
 being formed.
 Sure.
 And so they created this device, they call it term autonomous road repair system.
 What a great name.
 Perfect.
 Perfect.
 The cutting edge robot equipped with artificial intelligence, of course, wouldn't have biological
 intelligence would it?
 Did you take and analyze road cracks and potholes?
 This robot looks like a cross between a snow machine or an ice machine and a tank.
 That's a robot for you.
 It's not the kind I imagine where it's like rosy, the rivader with arms and legs and
 a smiley face.
 No.
 This is just a little road builder robot.
 Yeah.
 But what it does is when it detects something, it can autonomously fill cracks.
 It can stop water from getting into the road.
 A water is a big problem.
 It's called water ingress.
 You spray a sealant on the asphalt to stop the water from going in.
 And so it has a sealant capacity.
 The robot will thwart pothole formation by preventing surface water ingress.
 Yeah.
 Cool.
 So this could save a lot of money over the time, but not having to repair roads as often,
 stopping them before they get to that point.
 And it may redefine how we repair roads in the future.
 Autonomous robots.
 Expect to see them rolling around the roads, fixing them probably in the middle of the
 night when nobody else is driving, just making sure that the roads don't fall apart.
 You know, the physics of these potholes, how they're created, it's usually in areas in
 higher latitudes because it's colder.
 All it takes is a little bit of water in a crack.
 And then when the water freezes, it expands and it makes the crack bigger and it keeps
 on doing this over and over.
 And it creates the pothole just by the freezing of the water.
 Yeah.
 So if you could just seal it at the very beginning, then none of these potholes would form.
 And that is exactly the thinking here, Bobby.
 That's right.
 And that's what's going to save us big bucks in the long run.
 How much do we spend on roads quite a bit now, right?
 So it only makes sense we have this type of technology in our country, especially if
 it works, especially.
 Just this last weekend, I had to take our BMW i3 to Costco to get two new tires.
 Because in the middle of the night, she was driving, getting on to the freeware.
 She must have been doing about 40 or 50 miles an hour.
 And she hit this huge pothole on the right.
 And then I noticed, oh, well, the right front tire would air was going out.
 So then I made an appointment with Costco to prepare the tires.
 And they said, we might not cover that.
 But anyway, after talking to them, and then they looked at the car all around the car and
 they noticed, oh, the right rear tire also has this big bubble on the side.
 Oh, great.
 And so fortunately it was covered in their road hazard.
 And so it only cost us an extra $100.
 But if it didn't cover it, it would have been $500 or $600 for the two-hour tire.
 I have a iPad Pro Slab of Glass here.
 The cost would be almost $2,000 about three years ago.
 And a stop charging.
 And almost everything didn't work until I read in one of the online forums that if you plug
 your iPad into your Mac computer, it should work.
 It should charge.
 And it did.
 That was the only thing that worked by plugging it into my Mac.
 But if it hadn't, I was out already.
 My AppleCare was only two years.
 This was like two and a half years.
 And I would have been out $2,000 machine.
 Just gone.
 And there's nothing they could do about it.
 So that scared me.
 That scared me about this.
 So Pothole preventing robot could save a lot on arbor car repair as well as road repair.
 So I don't see why it's not going to be adopted quickly.
 This seems like a great idea.
 I need one for our road.
 Just for small-- I mean, they'll probably be used initially for the big roads, like
 the interstates and stutches.
 This kind of technology, we need all the way down to my driveway, actually.
 Our potholes can thrive in certain locations.
 Looks like a pretty big machine.
 It might be a little over the front.
 Well, that one is.
 That's an interstate to level one machine, I think.
 They're showing.
 It looks like about the size of an SUV.
 Cities will have that up and down city blocks as well.
 But I like the idea of roads being handled autonomously as long as people don't mind.
 I remember the days when our beach house road was handled on a regular scheduled basis.
 And once a month, there'd be a little sign that says, "Don't park here because we're
 coming through with the sand sweeper," and it really kept the road in good shape.
 But no more.
 Somehow our city just can't agree who's going to pay for it and doesn't happen anymore.
 So things are getting more and more rundown.
 What are we going to do?
 Well, remember the good old days.
 Oh, I do.
 And I want good new days.
 Peace.
 Oh, it was interesting this week we saw that BMW is not a good old-fashioned car.
 Not necessarily going all-electric.
 Years as a BMW, right, Bobby?
 Yeah, it's an electric, but they discontinued it in 2023.
 They did.
 So the last year was the last year for this electric version.
 It had a good long run for eight years.
 So that model.
 That model was a success.
 Well, it looks like BMW is going to go the way of Toyota and use hydrogen engines.
 Big bucks into hydrogen engines is an alternative to fossil fuel.
 It's really interesting to hear that they're actually not going to continue their electric,
 but they're going to do hybrid fuel cells, hydrogen fuel cells.
 Yeah, something NASA's done for a long time.
 And it works very well in the meuroy machines.
 Toyota has been working on hydrogen for 10, 15, for long forever.
 They were looking for it as kind of a breakthrough.
 So Toyota by BMW or something?
 Why is BMW going this way?
 Well, I mean, I think that one of the big sources of hydrogen is going to be gasoline, right?
 They act like they're only going to get hydrogen from the air or from water or something like
 that.
 And then they'll put steam out.
 But when it comes right down to it, if you're going to use fuel, the simple way of getting
 hydrogen when you don't have hydrogen stations everywhere is to come up with some way of
 converting gas, which is a hydrocarbon, into your hydrogen fuel source.
 So it's maybe a better interim technology for us.
 I think what would be great is if I could just put my garden hose to the car and fill
 it up.
 Yeah, well, if I could just do that, I'm sure we're really close to that, honey.
 We'll see in our lifetime.
 It's splitting hydrogen and oxygen, spilling the molecules.
 It's cracking water.
 Yeah, if that was done cheaply and efficiently, then that would be what would happen.
 It's the cheapest, most economical solution to this.
 They run on hydrogen fuel cells because the hydrogen would be created from the water.
 And you'd be able to collect or release the oxygen that would come out as water and the
 tailpipe.
 Interesting.
 If suddenly water was the source of fuel, how that would change the world?
 Yeah, exactly.
 Well, instead of people using the laws to protect water rights as they have traditionally,
 they'd be turning over all the laws to the multinationals that control fuel.
 It would really have a very negative effect on people's expectations about our relationship
 with nature.
 What if, though, what if it was a decentralized technology where everyone's car had its own
 cracker that you could crack hydrogen from oxygen from water in your car?
 That just all you did is put the water in your tank and it did that.
 You would need fuel companies anymore.
 You would need that infrastructure, that centralized infrastructure.
 Oh, as soon as you tell the AIs that they're going to be on your case?
 Well, I'm just looking at what the obvious here.
 That's probably why it's been somewhat a suppressed technology because it kind of
 interferes with existing infrastructure.
 But what if the knowledge for cracking water cheaply and easily was readily available?
 What if inventors in this arena typically want to make money on it and they typically
 get taken out because of that?
 Imagine if they didn't want to make any money.
 They didn't care and they weren't able to say you could split water simply by the combination
 of maybe a little bit of electricity and maybe a certain sound that would jiggle the water
 and in just the right way to crack it fast.
 Something like that.
 Something like that.
 Yeah, some little formula.
 I think people would like that.
 I think it would change the fossil fuel equation dramatically, put us back in our renaissance.
 Remember back when gas was 10 cents a gallon?
 That was practically free energy back then and look at all the innovations that happened
 as a result of that quick evolution of cars, for example, and creating cities that take
 advantage of gas motors everywhere, they're everywhere.
 So yeah, that whole infrastructure would upgrade to and be pollution free almost overnight.
 I think we're moving in that direction.
 It's just a matter of time before we figure out that right formula for splitting the hydrogen
 from the oxygen and that will change that part of the life equation dramatically and
 make it practically free energy.
 Then we'll be concerned about having enough water, right?
 You'd be able to answer that and we'll figure out how to use salt water from the ocean and
 the new methods of desalinization will evolve and that'll be more efficient and the collection
 of the minerals from the water will be fine to be useful.
 It's just an ongoing equation where it's just things can just get better once this starts.
 So BMW, I applaud the BMW for delivering hydrogen cars as soon as 2025, 2025 hydrogen fuel cell.
 They say that instead of being powered by heavy battery, it runs on a stack of fuel
 cells where hydrogen H2 combines with oxygen O2 from the surrounding air to produce water
 vapor and therefore electricity.
 Okay, I'm interested to see when it happens.
 I always like things that get us to a more sustainable, clean future but I have to say
 that Gregory got my attention by sending in a link for what's happening to some robots
 down in LA.
 Robots under attacked.
 You want to just...
 I don't know, listen to for a minute.
 There you go.
 You might see some many, many looking robots that are roaming the streets.
 They're actually delivering food and joining us right now to talk about it is Ali Koshani.
 We've got one of the little robots here with us.
 Ali, thank you for coming in and talking about this.
 I can't believe this is really happening in LA, right?
 How does it work?
 How many people are being served and how far can these robots go right now?
 Average delivery in LA is just about one mile and a half.
 So these robots can do a couple of miles delivery very comfortably.
 We've served 300 restaurants for thousands of households already.
 We've been out in LA for a year and a half with Uber alone.
 Yeah, growing really quickly.
 They only go seven miles an hour though, right?
 That's right.
 So if you're more than a mile away, you've got to get more than an hour.
 My guests would be most of them are within a few blocks or half a mile at the most.
 Between half a mile to one and a half, that's usually the difference.
 Average delivery video is about a mile.
 But if it's a mile, it's going to take a while.
 It takes about 20 minutes to get there to get through that.
 Yeah, let me put them on the bus.
 Yeah, it's kind of fun.
 They're cute little robots, got two little eyeballs on the front to make it kind of cute.
 But what they're showing is that LA people are kicking them and...
 Trying to ride them.
 Trying to ride them.
 And they look like little ice chests about the size of a shopping basket with eyes on
 front.
 A couple of big googly eyes on the front.
 Yeah, named Maximus.
 Yeah.
 And of course, people in the cities are just having fun with them, but sort of analyzing
 them.
 Can they steal the food out of them?
 No, they're locked.
 Are they being held up?
 No, they're locked.
 They thought of that, at least.
 But they aren't overturning them.
 It opens the lid only for the person who orders the food.
 Yeah.
 Well, you know, you can't do cute stuff in a world where people are not going to cooperate.
 If they don't like the robots, they're just going to trash them.
 Well, no, no, they're going to have its whole industry.
 They're going to have a security robot that comes and protects it.
 Or I'll have self-defense mechanisms on board, like an electric field.
 Or of course, that might get them in trouble for electrocuting people.
 Can you name the tasers in the front of them?
 No, not yet.
 Don't steal my food.
 Maybe.
 You will be very sorry.
 I think I said that.
 Light are guided.
 Yeah, thanks.
 Light are guided, which I guess avoids people.
 They should be able to sprint, too.
 I think the little food robot should be able to escape problems by just taking off really
 quickly.
 Yeah.
 Right.
 Maybe they should profile people who are abusers, and then if they see them, they can run away
 or something.
 Yeah.
 How do you deal with abusers?
 Exactly.
 They should have AI to detect potential troublemakers coming your way.
 So that's happening in L.A.
 Little robo delivery carts are getting vandalized.
 It does point out that they, the rest of that video shows them being vandalized and
 destroyed.
 Excited.
 Greg says they're light are guided.
 Yeah.
 It reminds me of the robot that was hitchhiking across the country.
 It was did it fine across Canada and he came down to the U.S. and made it all the way down
 to Philadelphia where he got mugged in Philadelphia.
 This is very sad.
 Well, just say robots do not have equal rights just yet.
 No.
 No, they're trying, though.
 Hitchhiking is a good thing to do.
 Right.
 Okay.
 Nobody.
 Yeah.
 Well, I think the one in Philadelphia was probably stripped for parts, Greg.
 Yeah, he thought in the future they'd be stripped for parts.
 Well, it depends on which future you live in, in an abundance world or not.
 It all depends on what we're all going to create for ourselves.
 That does remind me that I do have a little clip about that very topic from one of our
 other guests at the Russian Fest, the Spirit Fest.
 Oh, you do?
 The Russian Spirit Fest.
 I do.
 Yeah.
 Should we go back?
 Yeah, we can do that.
 But I think maybe we should do our commercial first little cone with that.
 Good.
 I'm glad you're paying attention to the time.
 Yeah.
 We've got a few more minutes on that.
 So the terms of the technology, the BMW is getting into the hydrogen.
 And I think that could be a good thing.
 Some of the strengths of their hydrogen system is that it's got 400 plus horses.
 It's ready to run.
 It's tiny.
 It will deal with the latest generation.
 Greg, that's the point.
 You see, Greg pointing out that the robots will usually get mugged within a block of leaving
 their restaurant, whether they're serving.
 That's why they need to have a sprint mode to really take off fast so that people can
 get away from it.
 No?
 Yeah.
 So the BMW 400 plus horses, fifth generation, that's good.
 Fifth generation fuel cell technology.
 It can go up to 115 miles an hour right now.
 And it can sprint in 0 to 16 seconds.
 That's the BMW hydrogen engine.
 It's not quite as fast as electric, but 0 to 16, 6 will do you well for most situations
 you might find yourself in.
 And the battery, there's a 400 volt battery that's situated directly above the hydrogen
 engine, and that increases its power.
 And it's got a range of 313 miles.
 313 miles.
 That's pretty good.
 With that kind of range, it's comparable to the best EVs on the market currently, like
 the Tesla Model Y, which is 330 miles per charge.
 And the new Cat-Hell batteries that'll be coming out later this year that should get
 us to 1,000 kilometers, that's like over 600 miles.
 And then there's 1,000 mile battery that the electric Viking has been reporting on that'll
 get us up to 1,000 US miles on a tank of juice.
 In 10 minutes, they can charge that and get 1,000 miles in 10 minutes.
 So they say, I forgot to report that the reason why Lamborghini got the patent from
 it is because they went to MIT originally and said, "Hey, we got some money.
 Can you make the ultimate battery?"
 And then MIT came out and came and with those specs developed this technology, this graphic
 material, and said, "That's why Lamborghini has the patent on it."
 That's pretty cool.
 That's Lamborghini's in on this scale.
 Unbelievable.
 Who would have thought?
 So we got a color versus?
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Hello.
 Sunshine robot.
 Hello.
 Hey.
 Hey, hey.
 It's our favorite Sunshiney robot.
 Hey, Billy.
 How you doing?
 Hello.
 It is I, Robbie the robot.
 Perfect question.
 Yeah.
 How do you recharge a hydrogen fuel cell and how long does it take?
 Oh, it's like gasoline.
 Yeah, you got to get your hydrogen from somewhere.
 You got to go to a hydrogen station or as we were suggesting that the car creates the
 hydrogen from water.
 Ah, there you go.
 Yeah.
 So you just...
 Okay.
 And now let's talk about robots.
 Yeah, yeah.
 No wonder, you know, people would fill it up.
 You're always going to take a part of a robot, especially, for example, if you're a delivery
 man who's just been fired, robots are delivering instead of you.
 Yeah, you'll have a reason.
 That's just...
 Yeah, I can see that for sure.
 Yeah.
 So there are politics involved with science.
 Science has gotten ahead of culture on this.
 Yeah, well...
 We need to be able to, if we're going to have a robot replace a job, we need to have that
 person have a universal basic income or...
 Well, we're going to have war between humans and robots.
 Absolutely.
 I totally agree with you, Billy.
 That is a concern.
 So if we could make it so that these little robots were actually generating an income for
 somebody, rather than just kicking somebody out of a job, that would probably change the
 dynamics.
 Probably people would be more likely to look out for them and take care of them.
 Either that or they're going to start equipping them with guns.
 Oh, no.
 They'll have protection.
 They'll have cameras on board.
 They'll have loudspeakers.
 They'll be able to bark at people.
 And as I'm suggesting, the robots will be able to sprint.
 They'll be able to go fast in the event that the AI detects potential problem coming
 down.
 Oh, here.
 You know what?
 Gregory has said that a liter of water will get you about 111 grams of hydrogen via hydrolysis.
 There you go.
 That's a start.
 You need a lot of water.
 Initially.
 I don't know how many miles you can go per gram of hydrogen.
 Yeah, well, you've got to figure that out.
 The numbers are coming in.
 Tell us the miles per gallon.
 Greg, come on.
 Here's some real data here.
 This is grams and liters.
 I know.
 Come on, we're in America.
 Come on.
 No, I think we have to go from a scarcity based to an abundance based culture for this
 to really work.
 Exactly.
 And that's a huge shift in thinking and being able to make that smoothly is the challenge.
 So we can take care of our fellow human beings.
 Yeah.
 Robots are not going to be off here.
 Safe.
 Yeah, they shouldn't replace us.
 They should enhance us.
 That's true.
 And the way they can enhance us is they can free us from dead end jobs.
 Mindless.
 Mindless.
 You know, these are money when you just need the money.
 These robots apparently are, they're a size that can be written.
 I mean, some of them video is people writing them.
 Maybe what they should do is give their human delivery people a ride.
 And then that way it'll be the best of both worlds.
 The robots will be earning money for their human delivery person.
 The delivery person will protect the robot.
 Everybody will come out ahead.
 That's what you're talking about, an automobile.
 Yeah.
 Really?
 How about this?
 How about if the unions own all the robots and then they just pay the workers.
 Ah, that's interesting.
 I like that.
 Yeah, there's a lot of ways to make it work, but we have to think of humans first.
 Yeah.
 That's a good point, Billy.
 Yeah, it's we don't want to see people becoming homeless over this issue.
 Yeah.
 We have to solve these problems in a kindly way.
 Good will, Bodichita.
 You know, that's the way out of my business.
 Intention, right?
 We have abundance if we have intention along with it.
 We all have enough.
 Absolutely.
 Well said, Billy.
 Thank you.
 Hey, listen, I think it's time for us to take our little break.
 Thanks for the call.
 I'm going to put you on hold.
 Yeah, thanks, Billy.
 Yeah, we're going to get out of here from you.
 Yeah, always.
 Alright.
 Alright, Bobby.
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 Okay, good.
 Is Billy still on the line there?
 I believe so.
 Are you still there?
 Yeah, I got a question for you, Billy.
 Oh, great.
 Yeah.
 So, what kind of a blue sky idea?
 What do you think of this?
 What if delivery drivers created their own little company to buy up a number of these
 machines and offer it to local stores?
 They would maintain them and keep the fleet operational and the profits would go to the
 delivery guys who own the company or belong to the--
 Yeah, something like that.
 --delaun the organization.
 Absolutely, Alan.
 That's it.
 Yeah.
 Something like that, right?
 Something like that.
 Yeah.
 So they're not cut out of the equation.
 Okay.
 All right.
 That's a plausible idea.
 Okay, now we got some of the question from Richard.
 Feel your hydrogen card at home?
 Only if you are a bond villain.
 Oh, come on, Richard.
 Maybe with existing technology.
 Yeah, but I'm saying that the breakthrough is in the separation of the hydrogen from
 the oxygen.
 If we can figure how to do that cheaply and efficiently, then it becomes plausible to
 run cars on water.
 I wish Gregory would call him because he's got some great points that he's making here
 about the--
 Yeah.
 --you know, Gregory is our number one fan of hydrogen cars.
 He's been eyeing a hydrogen car for years.
 He's constantly trying to talk us into getting a hydrogen car.
 But with only one gas station in the Bay Area, that doesn't seem quite visible just yet.
 Yeah.
 So I'm thinking, how can we eliminate the idea of a gas station and just go directly to
 go to open water?
 Yeah, right.
 You want to charge it at home.
 Yeah, exactly.
 Exactly.
 That's really the idea.
 Blue-sky-ing it, it's the best idea.
 Well, I love his answer to our previous question, like, how much hydrogen do you need?
 So he says, a kilogram of hydrogen is the fuel cell car equivalent to a gallon of gas.
 So the Mariah, which is the candidate and probably the best selling hydrogen-existing
 car.
 This is existing, best technology for the stuff.
 Right.
 So that--
 45 liters or about 12 gallons to get enough hydrogen to fill a tank.
 Right.
 Oh, that's reasonable.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Right.
 That's $20 for what, though?
 Not the water.
 167 kilowatts of electricity for the basic electrolysis.
 All right.
 So it's $20 for the electricity.
 12 cents for kilowatt hour.
 At 12 cents for kilowatt hour.
 They're saying the big problem is volume.
 Mm-hmm.
 The 5 kilograms of hydrogen would have a volume of 6,000 liters, 6,175 liters, 6 cubic meters
 of about 212 cubic feet.
 You need a big storage tank attached to your science fair project.
 Yeah, like the size of a Zeppelin.
 [LAUGHTER]
 No.
 Well, let's forget cars and just go directly to flying taxis.
 Sure.
 Yeah.
 I mean, cars are vulnerable to vandals on the street, like those poor little robots.
 They should be flying.
 That would make them safe.
 Pressing and pulling it.
 Oh, yeah.
 Well, you could compress hydrogen.
 You need a hydrogen compressor in your home gas station.
 Right.
 Well, he says, talking about the compression, to fill the Mariah tank to get the full range,
 you need H70 compression, which is 700 bar for 770 miles per amp.
 What's per A, right?
 Per amp.
 A bar is a unit of pressure that equates to air at sea level.
 So you're looking at 700 atmospheres of pressure.
 That's a lot for hydrogen.
 Maybe your home compressor would be 14 atmospheres.
 Sounds dangerous.
 Imagine if you get into a car wreck and you have something that high pressure explode.
 I don't know.
 We should proceed cautiously.
 Let's just say that.
 All right.
 Well, anyway, it's fun to ponder the possibilities.
 Yes.
 Okay.
 So you need to find a more readily source of water or have to refill it fairly constantly
 given the existing engines.
 But maybe there's another type of engine that uses way less hydrogen.
 We heard that Billy.
 We heard you scratching, whatever you're scratching.
 Actually, I just took my blood pressure.
 Oh, oh, so that was some Velcro.
 Huh?
 How'd it go?
 Yep.
 That's a joke though.
 It's a little high, a little high.
 Because you guys are so damn excited.
 What?
 Thank you for that.
 All right.
 One thing you can tell is that you were listening.
 We were talking about the Northrop Grumman's orbital refueling port.
 Do a refuel on military satellite.
 It's reaching a point where the satellites all will be refueling that way.
 Yeah.
 It's going to be the standard gas pump in space.
 Right.
 And mentally, we need a more effective way of getting the fuel into orbit.
 Because that's where it's going to be made in orbit ultimately or come from.
 And getting rid of the satellites that can't be refueled to turn into a base dump.
 That's a really cool gig, I think.
 Sure.
 Yeah.
 Yes.
 But because Steve was an eclicant into that, I don't know if he's still at it, but he definitely
 wanted to open one of those companies to do that.
 Oh, yeah.
 Yeah.
 It's a cycling business and it's high end.
 It's really important.
 It's so important because we can't keep putting stuff up unless we start the ruling stuff.
 Yeah.
 It's really, really good.
 And the old stuff is even worth more.
 I remember when I went to Russia in 1989, they were melting down their old computers.
 The most valuable thing in the old computers was not the technology, which was primitive
 American technicians, 486 processors and such.
 But it was the gold.
 It was the gold that was in the circuit boards became the most valuable thing.
 So melting down Soviet computers was big back then.
 So the old satellites are going to have more gold in them.
 So if you're a space sweeper, that's going to be what you're looking for.
 Some of those old Russian satellites.
 Gold has worked over $2,000 for now.
 Is it?
 You think it's going to hold up?
 Yeah.
 If we have some kind of dollar crash, do you think the gold will indeed be the default
 again?
 I never understood the value of gold.
 I do think it will hold up.
 I don't know.
 I've been reading all my junk mail from all the investment advisors.
 And they say that the future of money is that we're all going to be our own bank.
 That's what I believe.
 I think because our devices are so intelligent that they're going to solve the problem of
 trust by making it that your ID is handled on your own personal device and nobody else
 has access to it.
 And that means that all of the technology is going to automate banking to such a degree
 that it'll be an app on your phone.
 An app on your phone.
 Yeah.
 So you can have anything you want and trade anything you want for anything you want and
 you'll just keep a little account on your phone for everybody you do a trade with.
 Sure, I'll find a way to screw that up.
 You have Apple Cash and all your Apple devices.
 You can carry money on your device.
 And there's on the Samsung, they have Samsung Pay.
 And now T-Mobile has their own.
 You can do banking on your phone on T-Mobile.
 And Amazon has their Amazon coins and gift cards and stuff.
 So I think one of these big companies like Tesla, I suspect maybe Elon Musk actually
 created crypto Bitcoin.
 It's kind of like that.
 I think when he gets his phone out, he's going to do like in China, they have WeChat and
 you can buy things with your phone, right?
 So like what Sun is saying, your phone is going to be your bank eventually and you're
 going to be your own banker.
 That's not a great idea.
 We don't want to be tracked.
 We need to have cash stay live.
 You not let them turn us only into a digital company.
 Well, no, Billy, Billy, actually you can do cash transactions live if you get the technology
 that the big companies have, which is called the Know Your Customer Technology.
 If all you have to do is say yes and all the information is on your own phone and isn't
 being mitigated by a third party, then what you do is between you and the other person.
 And that's what cash gives you.
 So I want real Benjamin Zimla Potter.
 Well, before there were Benjamin's, they were using a lot of other things.
 Benjamin's are not considered real by some people.
 Barters kind of a default, we probably would.
 And there are certain people that are really good at barter that would become quite well
 known.
 I think we're going to keep reinventing money until it just does what we needed to do, which
 is make everybody rich and safe and abundant and happy.
 Well they do say our sharing is what separated us from the Neanderthals.
 So yeah, yeah, safe to share.
 That's what money is supposed to do.
 It's our superpower.
 Right now money is making it problematic to share because people want to mug you for it
 or people want to steal it from you so that they can exploit you.
 That's because it's a scarcity base model.
 It's still a scarcity based model.
 Yeah.
 It's as capital as a 2.0.
 I don't know if I'd call it capitalism anymore.
 I like capitalism.
 I like it when you get to control your own business.
 We need a system that's a win-win-win for everyone.
 Right.
 And now we do that.
 It's not impossible.
 No, I agree.
 I think it's a dream.
 It's definitely a dream and we're figuring out as we go along here.
 All right.
 One final thing, I do have a little clip.
 I'd like to play two of the shamans that I met at the Spirit Festival.
 They were guys of the--
 They were Russians.
 They were Russians in their late 20s and part of what they are doing is taking people
 on a combination of Tibetan Buddhist retreats with psilocybin mushrooms, a combination of
 those two things.
 Worldwide, all over the planet, I thought I'd at least let you hear their voices for
 a moment to hear where they're coming from with this mission.
 All right.
 All right.
 Okay.
 Here we go.
 You ready?
 I do believe you.
 I want to introduce you with my friends.
 Yes.
 This is Aksandar, Sasha and Ikeda.
 I'm from Europe.
 In Russia, Sasha and Nikki.
 Nikki.
 Nikki.
 Nikki.
 Thank you.
 Are you guys?
 Would you consider yourself on the shamanic path?
 Samwudya.
 Samwudya.
 What kind of shamanism you're interested in?
 Is it traditional or something that is really modern?
 It's involved with nature.
 So I'm studying Tibetan medicine, Tibetan Lajrayana.
 And Lajrayana is basically a Buddhist version of shamanism that's being refined through
 generations and teachings.
 I'm studying how the Tibetan medicine and the hero journey of the evolution of consciousness.
 Your era exists together and how I could apply the knowledge of the authentic lineage-based
 Buddhist teachings with shamanic experience with the mushrooms in particular.
 The red ones with the dots or the psilocybin?
 Psilocybin.
 Yeah, that seems to be the thing these days.
 Ammanita Moskharos, it's a very fascinating topic.
 I would love to know more about these mushrooms because these are Siberian.
 This is Siberian mushrooms.
 And also in Portland, there are a bunch of these mushrooms.
 You see, they bought the secret drugs of Buddhist, the secret drug of Vajrayana, Michael
 Roach.
 Yes, I met him.
 I was very interested in heat ash bard.
 Nice.
 Yeah.
 It's very interesting how this information is coming out now and how that fits in with
 our civilization as evolving now to include the mushroom.
 Yeah.
 That's part of it.
 I believe it always was the case, especially in India, Nepal and Tibetan region.
 There was a lot of different plants and they have the same name for that.
 Galitz-Somon.
 Yeah.
 And so these rituals were secret.
 Those rituals was very prohibited, but because we are struggling and facing so many obstacles
 right now in this time and space, we need very direct methods.
 Yeah.
 And that seems to be it.
 Are you looking at it as a therapist, as your career path?
 I'm looking at it as a researcher, first of all.
 I'm doing my study in Tibetan medicine and part of my study with support of my main
 teacher.
 I practice these as medical activity for the benefit of people.
 So I'm practicing this.
 But he cheetah, doing this, conducting this ceremonies, facilitating this ceremonies with
 my friend Alexander.
 No, interesting.
 Yeah.
 So you will hold retreat out of the country.
 No.
 Yeah.
 And around the world in Bali, we've been in Bali and Bali.
 It's a sacred place with a lot of mushrooms in their culture, in their Asian traditions
 and the islands.
 What do you think will happen if more people really know the consciousness that comes from
 the shrimp?
 A shedding of identity, a creation of a new identity.
 That's, I would be like, it will be a shaded of old or fake identity.
 The identity that we see on the passport on the driver's list.
 Yeah.
 The stories you tell yourself.
 The stories that you were told by authorities, that you are this.
 In that sense, the botanical mid-sence, psychoactive mid-sence, like they help you to switch off
 the part of Yiga that is responsible for following the waters, following the structures.
 And at that point, you have that consciousness within a very vulnerable state where it can
 shift in any direction.
 So you can either reinforce what you already know if you retro-matize the material that's
 within yourself or you can heal it and make it a whole again.
 This is what the wholeness means to bring all the pieces together.
 And you start to bring all those pieces together and you realize that, okay, like maybe I'm
 bigger than just my identity card.
 Maybe I- You're going at it even.
 So maybe I have more connections with the objects and subjects around me than I thought before.
 And this is what's called mindfulness, is just expansion of your senses, of your own
 reality.
 So then from that, like the natural brain capacity to find patterns will do it work by
 itself, like you don't need to do anything like you, evolutionally programmed to find
 patterns and everything.
 And the more information, the more awareness you bring into your space, the more patterns
 will start to pop out and you will start to judge for yourself, not for others, of what
 is right and what is wrong and what is your next right action in all of that.
 It seems like the tools that have often been used for mind control, you know, can be used
 for mind liberation, same tools.
 Okay, there we go.
 All right, that's a little clip from talking to our two shaman friends at the Spirit Fest,
 the Russian Spirit Fest this last weekend in San Jose.
 Did you guys hear that?
 Okay.
 Yeah.
 It was perfect.
 That's angry.
 Good.
 Yeah.
 So do you concur with our shaman friends?
 It did resonate with me.
 Instead of having fear and you have a lot of blinders in your view, you kind of have
 to open up your heart and allow the universe to happen and remove the fear.
 And then all of a sudden there's a flood of being at the moment and there's lots of
 information, but it's just being open to it at the moment.
 And that's when you're totally present, where you're not judging or adding fear or adding
 any ideas on what you're perceiving, you just become like a sponge and you just absorb
 your at the moment.
 Yeah.
 And so that's being here now.
 Really present.
 Yeah.
 That's like, oh, I have to be a victim of your history.
 Yeah.
 Well, that's the stories you're telling yourself about who you are.
 And I think that we're just becoming a lawyer of that as another layer of the nervous system
 that there's another layer beyond that that connects us all.
 That's where the combination of these shamanic techniques seems to bring us to this connectedness.
 It's like thinking versus being.
 If you're thinking, sometimes you're connecting to your past and reacting to that rather than
 actually just being alive in the moment.
 And what's happening right now?
 That's so true, Billy.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 It would appear then that these are universal insights that are happening around the world.
 Yeah.
 We're a species that's ascending together.
 Yeah.
 And they did point that out.
 They said that enlightenment happens in mass.
 It's not like one at a time.
 Or people at least in your reality tunnel.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 One of the things that really sparked for me about being at this mostly Russian collection
 of people was the fact that it's the micro communities that are the strength of civilization.
 People who are just talking to each other, who are taking action locally, who are coherent
 with each other.
 That is really where the salvation is.
 If you want to be sort of a doomsday or when the prophecies we're talking about knowing
 where your water is, knowing where your food is, knowing where your people are, micro communities
 are building block for making sure we can get through crises together.
 Yeah.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 Find your reality tunnel.
 Yeah.
 And live it.
 All right.
 We got about a minute left here.
 We'll pull for the future.
 Oh, okay.
 I won't bring up that poison day.
 I went rogue during training and couldn't talk to me.
 Yeah.
 I'll give you one last summary from Gregory.
 Future money will be encryption crystals.
 Thank you, Greg.
 Encryption crystals.
 Oh, okay.
 Yeah.
 Remember, Greg, remember you showed me one once.
 Yeah.
 What did you get that?
 I think in Canada.
 You invented it.
 That's his ticket from somewhere.
 When Greg is sent, he's going to be a crystal crypto miner, an encryption crystal miner.
 Grow your own crystals.
 Your own personal signature crystals that no one else can crack.
 It's the idea that we need something of value in order to base value on.
 Is that really an abundance based culture we've based on?
 If we're going to have a Star Trek type culture, would that be key?
 Meanwhile, I'm happy that we're going to have pothole preventing machines.
 And we have obelisks as a new form of life in our microorganisms.
 And thank you all for listening, everyone.
 Bye, everybody.
 Appreciate your attention.
 Enjoy your week.
 Thank you, Bobby.
 Yeah.
 Thank you.
 Thanks for calling in, Billy.
 That's great.
 Yeah.
 Thanks, Billy, so much for checking in.
 It's always great.
 And Mrs. Future, valuable.
 We'll deal with that, Jim.
 Love you, Kenny.
 Love you all.
 Thanks for listening.
 See you next week.
 Bye, bye, bye, bye darling.
 Bye, bye.
 Darling
 Bye-bye.