47 Future Now - Mobile Aloha Robot debuts, Peregrine Lander in Trouble, iPhone skydives 16K feet, Cool CES Gadgets, Transparent TV, CAR-T cancer treatment breakthrough

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 Hey, welcome to the second week in January 24. A lot of fun here out in the mountains, especially as we play a little bit of the end before the beginning for our...
 ...I intro music. Thank you, Mrs. Future for that.
 Oh, my pleasure. I'm happy to give tribute to the Roman god Janice anytime, you know, where the two-facing god is looking backwards and forwards.
 -Yes, right. -And that's what January is named after.
 And on our board, we have the end music right next to the beginning music.
 That's right. That's right. You push the wrong button and send me your time traveling.
 Or are you?
 No, you just have to push the button again. I'm with the right one this time. So here we are. Welcome, Bobby. Welcome back from Hawaii. How was your trip back?
 It was great. Yeah, I forgot to mention that I didn't get to see the dolphins, but Katia and Janon, they were swimming out in the south of Captain Cook. I forget the name of the bay, but they were surrounded by like 50 dolphins.
 And the two of them, they had gone out for surfing earlier, but then there was three other people and a whole bunch of people on the beach, but they were surrounded by these dolphins for like three hours. They were just swimming around them.
 Could that have been... -Kealikakube.
 Kealikakube, yeah. Could that have been the... -Kealikakube, actually. -Kealikube, yeah.
 And the... -Kealikakube, actually. -Kealikube, actually. It was just south... It's the next one. It wasn't the bay just south of that.
 That was the one where Captain Cook met his fateful end, Kealikakube, or Bay. Affectionately known as K-Bay. There's a monument to Captain Cook there that apparently is British territory right there in the bay outside of... -Really?
 -Just a dock, right? It's kind of like a place to dock a boat. -Yeah, yeah. So, you can actually go out there and hang out in British territory for a few minutes anytime you want.
 That's because he actually met his ending there. What's interesting about its use today is that dolphins, particularly, like to take their children there, because it's the only protected bay on that side of the island that's big enough to act as a nursery for pods of dolphins.
 And so, they take their kids there all the time, so there are a lot of dolphins in the bay. -In the Kealikube Bay.
 Perhaps a pod of mothers were there that got you around into. So, if it was K-Bay, it might be interesting. Also, Joan Ocean, I think, was the next bay south of that. She had a place overlooking that. She would know. She probably would know. She's a woman that's taken many people on magical journeys through that part of the world.
 -Did you meet Joan Ocean? -We did. Yeah, the first time that we went there, she was hosting a beautiful gathering in her living room with Naseem Harriman giving one of his bardic speeches about that was in the year of 2004, I think it was.
 After he had developed the harmonic resonator and had a backer on the big island who would fly him and scientists back and forth in a private jet. This really something.
 -Yeah, but I really recall how exciting it was to have such ocean lovers talking about the cetacean nation and just what was going on in that bay.
 -Yes, that bay itself is epic because it also has tremendous human history too. The humans from that area, always considered it sacred, have a temple there as well as a burial cliff for their ancestors.
 -And you're talking about the need of Hawaiians? -The need of Hawaiians, yes. So when you're looking up at the cliff there, it's not just a cliff, but it's actually a burial grounds, it's a fascinating area.
 -And that is our fascinating water pump that just came on in the background. In case any of you were wondering.
 -And turn it off. So what cannot be helped? Must be endured.
 -Yes. So let's get to some of the news. Right now we have a real trauma going on in space.
 -Oh yeah, right. Our difficult, our challenged missions to the moon, the latest one known as Peregrine.
 -That's right. What's interesting about the Peregrine Space Launch, it's a big effort by the ULA to stay in the game with SpaceX in terms of launching large payloads into space.
 And this particular spaceship is designed to not just go into Earth orbit, particularly into lunar orbit and can carry landers that then land on the surface of the moon.
 So it also provides an access to putting satellites in such further away from the Earth lunar orbits and out into a deep space or between planets, if you will, if your mission demands that kind of environment.
 -ULA really put a lot into this all-in-one rocket. It can really take you wherever you need to go.
 And one of the most watched projects on board there, there are like dozens of projects on this mission is the lander.
 And the lander has sustained a propellant leak that is throwing the ship a little bit out of control.
 You can imagine in zero gravity and you have a gas leak, what that would do to your equilibrium.
 -Well, and the whole purpose of this propellant that is leaking is to help the spacecraft maintain its position and its ability to point at the sun and all those things, right?
 -Yeah. -It's supposed to be able to steer the rocket. Instead, it's leaking. I mean, it's like a bad sci-fi movement.
 -No. And given that it's leaking and spinning out of control, what do you do as a controller? You can program it a little bit and you can maybe...
 -Oh, you can figure out how much it's leaking and turn it up or down a little bit to point at where you want it.
 -Or while you're careening out of control, you can create burns that hopefully compensate for the leak.
 -Yeah. Yeah. -So that you can get enough power.
 -The crew is having a very slow humiliation as they try and hold on to the rocket and they're not going to be able to land it on the moon.
 And hopefully they won't have to crash it on the moon and they'll be able to come up with some valuable data about what happens on the flight from Earth to the moon.
 And the Van Allen radiation belt and how that affects the onboard cargo, etc.
 -And some of the cargo is really unusual, like the ashes of people who wanted to have some of their ashes or DNA out in space.
 -Oh, yeah. They're calling it now a flying coffin because these remains were meant to be on the moon so that some celebrities like...
 -Gene Roddenberry. -Gene Roddenberry and Sir Arthur Clark.
 -The Arthur Clark. -The Arthur Clark.
 -They were going to be intured on the moon.
 -Yes, and now they're out in deep space.
 -For now.
 -For now.
 -Now, if you stop and think about it though, deep space is probably a safer place to be than on the moon.
 -Definitely.
 -You don't have to deal with weather.
 -Well, unless you're on a rocket that has a fuel leak.
 -That's a little unpredictable.
 -That's going to run out at a certain point.
 -Right. So then it'll just be in gravity momentum.
 -Yeah, until you figure out.
 That's probably when they'll...well, this is a problem because you need fuel in order to correct.
 If they're going to try to correct the trajectory that it's on now, they have to do it now.
 Is there going to be out of fuel in less than 40 hours?
 -Yeah, right. Okay. They've got a couple days to figure out what is the fate of the ailing rocket.
 -Just going to take a real supercomputer to get the right blasts of propellant at the right time in order to stop the tumbling.
 -Yeah. So it is a success for the Vulcan Centaur rocket, which is what was used to launch it.
 Right? So that's a new type of rocket. It's a methane-fueled rocket.
 And it was actually quite successful, although it could be that the relationship of that rocket launcher and the Peregrine Mission vehicle has to be explored.
 That may be a source of the problem.
 -You've zoomed back a little bit. It's kind of interesting in that this is the third failed attempt by a private company to land on the moon in recent years.
 -Yeah. Right.
 -There's the beer sheets, lander, and the Hakoto-
 -That was the one from India, right?
 -Bearsheet, that was the Israeli one.
 -Oh, that was the Israeli one.
 -Yeah. Of course, there was the Indian one, too. That's right.
 -Yet there have been a few successful ones, right? Aren't there...
 -Yeah. There's been in India in a lot of Chinese ones.
 -We got India and China, both 60.
 -But no private companies, they've always been the countries.
 And we haven't had one for 52 years, I believe.
 -Yeah, right.
 -So that's that story, and it's unfolding. Keep an eye on it. You'll probably hear about it on the top of the news every day right now. It's pretty out there.
 -Is there a chance that they could orbit the moon with this?
 -No, that... I haven't heard anybody talk about that, but it certainly comes to mind, doesn't it?
 -If I were in the position of trying to take control of an out of control ship, I would want to try to put it in a place where it could be accessible and useful for a while.
 And lunar orbit makes a lot of sense.
 -Yeah. And if you can do that, that would be the gold standard at this point.
 -Yeah, the pundits are suggesting that its ultimate fate is now to become some famous space debris because it's got all of those famous remains on board.
 Famous people, DNA, ashes, etc.
 -Yeah, I guess if force came to the worst, it would come back and disintegrate in Earth orbit.
 -Well...
 -Yeah, because of the strong gravitational pull of the planet.
 -Yeah, I guess so.
 -If it's not a stable orbit, it could come down. It could come back.
 -Very interesting. Well, so stay tuned. We'll keep our eyes on the peregrine.
 -Maybe they'll succeed. Maybe they'll get into the lunar orbit or a stable Earth orbit or maybe even beyond.
 -Yeah.
 -Yeah. Let's hope for some positive surprises.
 -Yeah.
 -Alright. Well, good luck with astrobiotics. Roborocket. Good luck, folks.
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 -And while we're out there in space, NASA's Parker Probe is preparing to touch the sun.
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 -Touch the sun.
 -Oh, boy. Isn't that amazing to think that we could create something on Earth that could go that close to our favorite star?
 -Yeah. A good metaphor for thinking about this one, the star. Our star is to imagine that you want to touch a flame in a fire, say, a fire pit.
 What's the best way to get as close as you can and then get away before you get hurt?
 -Do it fast.
 -Right. Right. Move it in. Hold it for a second. Move it out really fast before you start feeling it.
 As much as you can handle, I guess.
 -Yeah.
 -And how close? Well, that's the Parker Probe. It's going in as close as our technology can take it right now.
 -Ooh. Really? And how close is that?
 -Just over three million miles.
 -Oh, my. Oh, my. That's really close.
 -And they give you an idea how close that. Three million miles from the sun. How far away do you think Mercury is?
 -Well, I think Mercury is around 30 million miles, isn't it?
 -That's right. That's right. 30 million miles. And look how hot and molten Mercury is at that distance.
 And we're talking not 30, but 3 million miles.
 -Wow. 10%. That's amazing. I think it's amazing that it hasn't melted already.
 -And they want to study a very weird thing that happens on the sun by getting that close.
 And this is the weird phenomena that the atmosphere, the weather above us, is actually a million times hotter than the surface.
 -Now, you're talking about the weather above the sun.
 -The weather above the sun. If you're on the surface of the sun, the weather above you would be a million times, literally, a million times hotter than where you're standing.
 -Interesting. It's like there's some kind of cover up there holding in the heat.
 -There's some kind of a way in which the heat is projecting out from the center.
 -And so the heat's getting cooked on the surface. What did you tell me? It was about 6000 degrees Centigrade.
 And then it gets up to the corona. And then all of a sudden it's millions of degrees Centigrade.
 -Yeah. WTF. It's getting concentrated somehow.
 -So our little daring Parker probe is going in there to figure out this mystery.
 -Right. But it's not getting that close.
 -Three million miles. Come on. That's better than 93 million where we are now.
 -It's true. But this article says that the probe is going to get to about 1400 degrees Centigrade.
 That's how hot the heat shield is going to be.
 -The heat shield is going to be on.
 -That is our tack really, is the design heat shield that can handle that kind of roasted.
 -Right. And it's going to just go in and go out. They call it swift ingress and egress.
 So they're going to get measurements as fast as they can.
 Kind of like if you lick your finger and push it against a hot pan to see if it's hot.
 -Well, this literally is how close we can get to a million dollar surface.
 -A million dollar? You mean a million degree?
 -A million, excuse me. It's a million dollars to figure. This is what I'll put.
 -One point five billion is what they say.
 -Yeah. Yeah.
 -How close can we get to something that's a million degrees?
 -Right. And I eat the sun.
 -And can we get a clue about why it's super heating up there in the corona?
 -Yeah. Three million miles is the answer.
 -Well, interesting. -So close we can get.
 -Well, I'm looking forward to knowing more.
 -Alright, say to them. This is going to be going on this year.
 This is the big thing for our spacecraft exploring the inner solar system.
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 -Pute your news.
 -Yeah.
 -I was going to say one of the things that really has taken the robot world by storm this month
 has been the announcement of Stanford's mobile Aloha.
 -Oh, yeah.
 Very famous.
 This week's famous AI.
 It's a robot.
 -Oh, my God.
 -It's a robot combined with AI.
 -Yes.
 -And what's interesting about this is that it learns from you as well as from the environment.
 In other words, it's a special rig where you imagine that you have two arms that are engineering arms.
 -Well, you're seeing robot arms, right?
 -Robot arms.
 -A lot of people when they--
 -A lot of people don't realize that the first robots, a lot of them, are just arms.
 And they look like those apparatus that holds an awkward desk light that you can wiggle around.
 That's almost like a robot arm, but it has more dexterity.
 -It's just mounted on a cart, and you're behind the cart, and you have your hands in a setup
 that as you move your hands, the robot arm moves.
 So the robot arms mirror your actions.
 -Yeah.
 Did you ever see the movie FX?
 -In FX, there was a special effects, some kind of a, like a gorilla suit or a monkey suit,
 or it was a rubber suit, and it was powered by a human wearing a different rubber suit.
 And this is just like that.
 There's a mirror device which a human is wearing gloves and operating the hands, and then the
 robot hands are following all the moves and recording them.
 -Yeah, it's mirrored.
 And what's interesting is that what are the things they're teaching it to do?
 -Well, what would you want a robot to do in your house?
 -Well, let's see.
 How about make me a meal?
 -All those things that take up on a life free time.
 -This is what men think of.
 Make me a good meal, will ya?
 -Right, right.
 Somebody will--
 -A nice meal.
 -Cook.
 -Yeah.
 -Three meals.
 -Watch dishes.
 Wipe up spills.
 -Exactly.
 -Empty trash.
 -Yeah.
 -That's stuff.
 -Yeah, the kitchen stuff.
 -Flip burgers.
 -All that stuff.
 Dishwashing even.
 You know, are loading the dishwasher in this day and age.
 -Mm-hmm.
 Right.
 -So they demonstrate all these things on the website and also the news articles that are
 all about this right now.
 They're showing you how dexter it is at cooking eggs and flipping omelets and all these things.
 And that's partly because you've had to train it yourself.
 You have to do the dishes yourself using its arms, which is awkward to say the least compared
 to using your hands.
 But at the same time, you're training yourself as well as the robot in order to wash a dish
 to turn it over.
 -Really?
 You have to be trained to wash a dish?
 Yeah, I guess that's pretty serious.
 -Well, if you...
 -I'd agree with that.
 -It's a lot of detail.
 Yeah, don't you think a lot of guys could learn how to do dishes better?
 -Oh, I have been convinced for a long time that they have trained themselves to not do
 dishes right just so they won't be asked to do it.
 -Yes.
 -Yeah, I think they could benefit from training, but only if they want to.
 -I've had roommates like that.
 Yeah.
 -So we did have one roommate who absolutely considered his spiritual path to do the dishes.
 -Oh, absolutely.
 That was a wonderful time in our lives when we had that roommate.
 -Yeah.
 -It made up for everything else and more.
 -Very good one.
 So the robot has all this ability to cook and clean and to roll around and I probably
 would be able to get your beer out of the fridge, take it to the living room.
 All the things that humans seem to want, right?
 And on top of that, they're making it open source.
 -Yeah, right.
 I think that's why people are so excited about it.
 -You could buy most of the stuff online.
 -They've been very generous with the instructions.
 -Yes, and details of how to build it and getting it down in cost to $32,000, which is
 comparable to a car.
 -Well, unlike the cars that are trying to go fully automatic, this robot is what is
 called "tele-operated."
 So you have "tele-operated" controls, which means that-
 -That's how it trains.
 -You get "tele-operations" when you're the remote controller.
 -That's right.
 -You're controlling the limbs with your hands.
 -Yeah.
 And the really innovative thing about Aloha is that not only is it recording these motions
 that you are using to control the robot so it can do an exact copy of those motions,
 but it also is using an AI general model to take those motions and allow the robot to
 begin to apply them more independently.
 -Yes.
 And in order to make it independent, you have to train it multiple times.
 Now, how long did it take you to train your kids into the dishes?
 How many times did it take?
 Well, think about that because it turns out that you need to train the robot 50 times.
 -50 times.
 -50 times.
 -Oh, I've heard that's how many times an artist has to draw a new object in order to
 master it.
 -Is this because your dishes are different than somebody else's dishes?
 -I imagine the fine-to-well, in dishes, fine.
 Fine-tuning is important because one slip literally and it's broken.
 So yeah, to get the kind of precision, at least from the pinchers that they're using
 on this robot, is to do-
 -Well, and maybe it has to analyze what kinds of variations there would be from the original
 path, right?
 You have to figure out how to pick up different sized objects.
 You have to use different motions to get them in place for washing.
 Another thing that this demo has, this Aloha demo that has made people very interested
 is that the system allows for two robotic arms to be coordinated with each other.
 So they're both being trained simultaneously and so they can complement each other's motion.
 Just like when you are using one hand to hold a frying pan and another hand to hold a spatula
 and flip something.
 -Oh, I've got a comment from Richard.
 He's saying, "I'm the expert dishwasher."
 -How many?
 How many times did we have to train you?
 No, actually, you came with your skills and tact.
 -Richard, you could excellently train that robot.
 You could.
 Matter of fact, it could be a whole career in that where it's not just trained for your
 house but you could go into a fancy place with the Waldorf Astoria and watch how they
 clean the dishes there.
 Then do that for the robot.
 -I know.
 I have a feeling that Richard--
 -Have trained the Hyatt how to do dishes on a massive scale.
 -Richard, not only would you--
 -A couple days of work.
 -You'd be a really good dishwasher trainer but I doubt that the dishwasher robot would
 ever pass your test for allowing the dishwasher robot to do it instead of you.
 That's just my guess.
 -Well, if it was making millions of dollars.
 -Well, he does.
 He likes to clean.
 Richard was making millions of dollars doing this.
 He'd want it to be accurate.
 -The famous robot system that doesn't break.
 It's bone china.
 -Or eggs.
 -Special attachments.
 -This robot can do incredible fine motor tasks like cooking a three-course meal, cleaning
 spilled wine under a glass, and even doing your dishes.
 Demos for this robot went absolutely viral on the internet because it was beyond any
 thing that we thought was possible today for the price.
 This technology and robot is called mobile aloha and contains multiple innovations in
 robotics.
 -I see this as a burgeoning industry, this whole robotics, especially as they become
 essentially do the things that we often don't want to do.
 -Once they're cheap easy and out of control, I'm sure a lot of people will be trying them.
 -But some people ask what will happen to the immigrants if all the robots get those jobs.
 -Who's asking that?
 -Seriously?
 -I think it's in the ethos.
 Yeah.
 The thing that's less expensive than migrant labor is robot labor.
 And that's going to shift the economic thinking about labor in a really dramatic way.
 -I don't know.
 -Yeah.
 Meanwhile, you can learn how to train in this.
 -As our society checks up, as we see more and more technology, we see people who try them
 and then who get bored and move on.
 So unless they really become as useful as, say, the device in your pocket, they have high
 novelty factor, but they may not necessarily catch on.
 -You're right, Mrs. Future.
 It's a certain point where they'll be acceptable in the home.
 Doing household chores is the key thing.
 If it does that, then I'll take a real good interest in these robots.
 -Well, doing household chores is just the beginning because--
 -It is.
 It is.
 But it's an on-train point that's very important.
 -They need things to be good-looking.
 They need things to be compact.
 They need things to be child-proof.
 There are a lot of bars that we have to--
 -If it does the dishes well, it could be butt-ugly from my point of view.
 -If I went back to school and studied electrical engineering computer program, I think this
 would be my first project.
 -Oh, no kidding.
 All right.
 -Robot?
 -See?
 -You're a coordinated trainable robot arm.
 -What do you think you'd like to make?
 -Mountain to a cart.
 -What skill would you like to bring the robot to ask for?
 -Exactly, to clean the dishes and to compensate for a bad roommate.
 -Yeah.
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 -My robot was my roommate.
 -Yeah.
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 -Still is.
 Even more so.
 -What?
 -Well, as the robot gets better, I give it more things to do.
 And it has more fun things for me to do than it thinks up.
 It's pretty smart about knowing me.
 So yeah, I see a real synergistic dynamic between a boy and his robot evolving for the next
 generation especially.
 -Right.
 -Yeah.
 -Well, let's just say that--
 -Boy's robot and his dog.
 -This is a low-hot model coming out of Stanford is not necessarily going to give Tesla a run
 for their money with Optimus or it's not going to replace Spot and Boston Dynamics.
 -No, but those are expensive.
 -But it's way cheaper.
 It's a DIY and all the information you need to purchase the parts and put them together
 and train it are available open source.
 So definitely going to create a little cult.
 -Exactly.
 And if there were still a Maker Fair, you'd see it at the next one.
 -Definitely.
 Definitely.
 -It's one of those things that we just want.
 It's true that robots have taken a while to become household items.
 But these were predicted back with Rosie the robot in the '50s.
 -Yeah, you enthusiasts are always thinking it's right around the corner, but there's
 still a lot of growth in the world of robotics.
 -Why, there's a robot at the '39 World's Fair in Chicago.
 So yeah, robots have been metropolis back in the '20s.
 So yeah, it's a dream.
 That's with the rise of our technical civilization.
 That's where we want to take our machines is to be there with us.
 The tricky part is that I don't think they really predicted how artificial intelligence
 is going to affect robots as well.
 I mean, there are so many thoughts about that.
 -Could you tell me what you're thinking of?
 What do you think?
 -Well, I'm thinking that the day's robots will all be connected to the net.
 They will have access to all the wisdom that's out there in real time.
 That if there's some extent thinking autonomously or for themselves, that this will be their
 constant input.
 And that will mean that they will be able to do newer tasks and more tasks and more sophisticated
 tasks as time goes on.
 You sort of see that now with the autonomous cars.
 Well, for example, all the Teslas are driving and having experiences on our roads.
 They're logging the incidents that happen and they go into centralized database that
 then distributes that information to all of them as they learn lessons from the road.
 Have they learned how to avoid this or that or that kind of stuff is evolving database
 that just makes them better over time?
 -Sure.
 -How can it not?
 -It's very interesting that the society of robots is probably going to be more able to
 peacefully integrate itself than we are just because there'll be so many people organizing
 robots to share all their data together as opposed to people who all have to do their
 own thing and be independent about it and then they can only come together if you give
 them an incentive.
 -Not to some extent, but think of it.
 It's people that are inventing these robots and creating these networks of inter-connectedness
 so it's a dream of humanity to connect on that level being imbued into the machines.
 And then the machines, no light down as they get smarter, will imbue it back into us and
 will get better at communicating with each other on a global scale.
 And part of the issue right now is that we're held back by certain levels of organization
 that we created, i.e. the nation states and just dealing between handfuls of people that
 are in charge.
 -I predict that the robots are going to run into those same issues because the more individual
 parts there are for an organized system, the more there is a need for systems that allow
 self-organization and decision making.
 And that's what gives rise to all of those other layers of nation state and etc. is that
 when you have enough individual players, they all have their own rule sets and then they
 all have to start negotiating with each other about how to preserve their own self-interest
 and which things to do cooperatively together.
 I think it's just the rise of the net in the form of thinking robots.
 -Yeah, so you see yourself as having a robot companion sometime soon?
 -Well, I think of you as a robot companion.
 -You do?
 -Yeah, I don't have to wait.
 Me?
 I'm a pure biological intelligence.
 What do you mean?
 That's what I mean.
 I do think of us as a very advanced form of technology.
 Without diminishing the mystery of life and the beauty of being alive, I do think of the
 universe as creating a technology of intelligence that is part of our DNA, that is part of all
 of the systems of life.
 I think of that as a form of biological technology.
 -Well, yes.
 And I suggest the robots to check the deep-dated information that we have about nature and how
 to communicate with nature because I think that's the key that we have in order to survive
 on this planet beyond survival, to thrive on this planet in a beautiful way.
 So I think all the knowledge that is needed out there for us to have an incredible experience,
 all of us.
 -Mm-hmm, absolutely.
 -That robots would like to be part of.
 -Yeah, I think re-energizing our understanding that nature as our teacher is so important
 for the future.
 We've moved away from that humility and it would be really beneficial to us to go back
 towards that.
 -Yeah, and so biological metaphors apply for the evolution of, say, nation states, for
 example, where I see boundaries evolving into membranes.
 [laughter]
 -No, using biological metaphors for it because that's who we are as an intelligence, biological
 and yet based.
 And so membranes are pretty much a important part of it and I see borders have a lot of
 comparable qualities to them.
 And in many cases, membranes work way better than our border system as it is now.
 We're heading in that direction.
 I mean, the whole idea of putting more cameras on the border, for example, is very much up
 a nervous system kind of thing.
 You know, you want to pay much more granular attention to what molecules are flying through
 that border, that membrane.
 -Well, I guess you got to start by watching so you know what's happening and then after
 you know what's happening, then you come up with strategies that deal with how you want
 that to flow.
 -Yeah, and how does nature do that?
 How does it allow some molecules through the membrane and not others?
 How does that work?
 -Good question.
 -Those things that there are experts on and that knowledge could be very valuable in helping
 to look at the future of our borders.
 -Well, it would be nice if we did things with some spirit of benevolence so that everybody
 who's appearing in the border...
 -You want the right molecules to go through the border and you want the bad ones stopped.
 That's exactly the same goal.
 That's why I think it could work as a model.
 -Well, I keep thinking that there are all these examples where we could try and put on
 nature's eyeglasses as we scrutinize a problem.
 -Yeah, from what species point of view?
 -Yeah, which species?
 -Which species border are we looking at here?
 Is it a cellular?
 Is it a checkpoint, Charlie?
 What kind of border are we trying to navigate?
 -Membrane.
 We're talking about membranes.
 -Well, they're all membranes.
 -Yeah.
 Well, how does it evolve into that?
 Also, another nice metaphor is the autonomous vehicles becoming part of the circulatory system,
 the blood system, because they're moving molecules around.
 They're actually moving stuff around and it needs to get to different places in the
 body and the circulatory system does that very well.
 So what elements of that could be applied into the way the autonomous vehicles are running?
 They're talking, for example, that once a lot of the autonomous vehicles are working well
 together, they'll have different traffic patterns than what exists with us, with people driving,
 with them.
 Like, for example, intersections, there's a constant flow of cars in all directions simultaneously
 because they're smart enough not to hit each other as they go through the intersection.
 They don't need stoplights like we use.
 -So you're talking about a packet switching network for traffic control?
 -Yeah.
 Every vehicle is intelligent enough to avoid the other vehicles and there's an overall
 awareness of the pattern from the traffic corner.
 Each corner will be monitoring its traffic flow.
 -These are the goals.
 -And I think nature already uses a lot of those principles that will just be applied
 into our technology as our technology gets more sophisticated and able to handle that
 level of complexity.
 -Well, here's a proposal for a new kind of robot coming in from Richard.
 He's still reflecting on the smart robot.
 -Oh, yeah.
 What did Richard say now?
 -He said that what he's waiting for really is smart dishes that can clean themselves.
 -We don't need smart robots if we have smart dishes.
 -Self-cleaning dishes.
 -I think that's a really great perspective, Richard.
 Thank you.
 -What do they need some kind of tongue that comes out and licks them?
 -Teflon coated.
 -Teflon coated.
 -Get the difficult state.
 How do biological organisms clean themselves?
 Look at cats.
 -Oh, there you go.
 A tongue on every plate, huh?
 The music cleaner, they're down.
 -A self-cleaning tongue.
 -We probably call it a windshield wiper instead of a tongue.
 I don't know.
 -That's about as close as our tech gets right now.
 But as I said, as our tech gets more fluid, it gets more capable of doing biological type
 stuff like licking.
 -Plate that licks itself.
 -Okay, I'm ready for work.
 -A very useful skill, cats have known for a long time.
 -A better dishwasher?
 I don't know.
 -Well, if the cat dishwasher had the right fluids for washing the dishes, it could lick
 dishes instead of scrubbing them.
 -Cats do lick dishes.
 It's just that we wash them after that.
 -Yeah.
 I'm thinking if we had a better liquor machine, the dishwasher included a licking capacity.
 What would that be like?
 -Wender.
 -It could be harder, more like a Brillo scrubbing.
 -I think something in my DNA just wants it to be fresh, clean water.
 -Cats do have that kind of raspy tongue.
 I don't know if you've noticed when they let you.
 -Yes.
 I've often wondered about why are they so raspy and my dogs aren't.
 -Yes.
 That's very different.
 -You make that connection to cleaning.
 It kind of makes sense.
 -They catch the ends of their tongues to clean already.
 So how do they do that?
 I don't know.
 I'm not an expert in that, but it seems to me that we could learn a lot from cats when
 it comes to cleaning things.
 And maybe if you have regular cleaners just rolling around your house all the time, all
 they need is to be able to lick the surface.
 They don't need a heavy sponge or wiping it off.
 Tongues are nice because they can be replenished in liquids really by just retreating into
 a reservoir and then back out again.
 -Right.
 Well, Greg is proposing that we have a dog lick pre-wash and then we can wash that off.
 -I agree.
 -Dawg.
 -Yeah.
 A final rinse is probably a good idea.
 -Yes, I think.
 -I don't know.
 In our cars, they like a blow dry after that, so maybe our dishes would too.
 -This has really gone to the ridiculous.
 -I would say that there are dishwashers.
 -There are dishwashers.
 -There are a million dollars ideas you should pat in here.
 -They use like a blow drying dish.
 I bet you some high-end dishwashers do that.
 -Oh, okay.
 Greg says he remembers staying with friends where the dogs cleaned all the plates.
 They licked all the plates and then the people put them into dishwashers.
 So that's what he's calling the pre-wash.
 -Yes.
 -I've got a lot of people have dog pre-washes.
 -Yeah.
 -Give it to the dog first.
 -Give it to the dog first.
 -Yeah, they clean off the scraps.
 -Pretty cute.
 -Yeah.
 -Especially like the dogs that finish off the whole plate and not leave the vegetables.
 -Happy memories from your youth.
 -Yeah.
 -I love animals.
 -Get the dogs to bury the evidence of the food you don't like.
 -Right.
 -I just think, I mean, our dogs are going to be competing with the robots for cleaning.
 -I thought the robots were going to be the dog's best friend.
 -Well, we have to make sure that, you know, we have to make sure the codes don't like
 push the dogs out of the way when it comes to taking the plate away from the human and
 to the dishwasher, and it's programmed to stop and give the dog a chance to finish it before
 it goes to the dishwasher.
 Such should have dog protocols in cleaning off the table.
 -Well, there's sugar wood it could have.
 -No, no, no, no.
 -But if you look at what's going on, say it, NASA.
 Didn't they say that one of the reasons they thought that the Peregrine system was having
 so much trouble is because the goal has gone from excellent design to triple redundancy
 for safety.
 -NASA, in general, has been accused of that, that more concern for safety than for innovation,
 and that comes with getting older.
 -Well, it also comes with losing a crew on the space shuttle.
 -Yes, yes, reflecting on what you've learned from your failures or hopefully have learned.
 -Right.
 I mean, didn't they say that test pilots say that design mistakes are learned, the manual
 is written in blood, right?
 -Yeah, yeah.
 -Yeah, something to be said for that and paying attention so that we don't have to do that
 again.
 We've learned enough about it.
 Yeah, that's why I think the networks with the Tesla's learning from each other is a
 valuable model and will probably be the standard for all autonomous vehicles as they evolve.
 That the crew of intelligence of learning is far more faster way to evolve than simply
 your own personal experience.
 So the cat, the dog, and the robot.
 -What are your scenarios, or how do you incorporate the robot into the family dynamics?
 Are they a pet, are they a slave?
 What level of consciousness do you want to partake in for perceiving them?
 And they're problematic in that they kind of defined our typical borders of what we consider
 to be family members.
 -Here is a bit of a stretch.
 I think we're a long way from deciding whether to treat our robots as friends or slaves because
 we haven't really arrived at making sure that they work or that they are easy to use or
 that they are actually better than things that they're trying to replace.
 There's a lot of ground to cover here.
 -Oh, there is.
 There has been even more.
 But there's still a huge--
 -Technology in general.
 -For family members.
 -For tech enthusiasts, there's--
 -Not that far off.
 -Not that far off.
 -There are so many garages full of dead technology that were--
 -For the answer to the dream, the prayer, they came in a box on Christmas and by this
 time next year, they're obsolete or they're broken or what they were supposed to do isn't
 quite useful enough.
 And these are all just experiments and they haven't really become part of our--
 -It's still early.
 That's my stuff.
 -It's still for us.
 They're not part of us yet, you know, but that was true with computers until they were
 part of us.
 And the robots aren't that far behind the computers, really.
 I think over the next 10 years, it are going to be big.
 And if you think about it, all the open source stuff that's coming out with the Stanford
 Aloha robot, that's going to be incorporated into the other machines, including the proprietary
 ones like the Tesla robot.
 It will start to incorporate all this.
 And before long, you'll have your Tesla robot washing dishes and playing fetch with the dog
 and cleaning up after the dog is even better.
 All these things, it will be able to do that will free you up and allow you to focus on
 what you're here to do as a human being.
 -Sure.
 Yeah.
 -Well, it's very interesting the way it's shaping how people spend their time.
 Because as easy as it is to learn because there is so much information on the internet
 that is available in so many different forms, it also is becoming harder and harder to get
 to what you want.
 Because you have to go through these channels that are being managed by people who don't
 necessarily have your preferences for how you want to spend your time and mind.
 They're constantly sending you into these little rabbit holes of how can somebody else
 make money on your attention.
 And I don't know that we've really achieved this glowing world of technology enhanced humanity
 just yet.
 It feels very much like we're tripping over junk.
 -Well, there is a lot of issue around that whole issue actually.
 Some people are looking at transhumans as the devil, right?
 You see a lot of-
 -You immediately go to transhumans.
 I wasn't even thinking about that.
 -Well, I'm telling you, you talk about enhanced humans, that's where it often goes.
 And the truth is that we're all transhuman.
 We're heading in that direction.
 Everybody is part of this movie.
 There's no one left out.
 -Sure.
 If we were able to time travel back to the Middle Ages, I think people there would look
 at us with our cell phones in our pockets and think that we were alien transhumans, right?
 -Yeah.
 We already are.
 We already do that.
 -A love for evolution to surprise us.
 -And whatever your senses are paying attention to as part of you.
 -It's a good case for really just praising everything that went into creating the present
 moment that we're in.
 To really appreciating that the world's best intentions and the most focused efforts and
 the most successful uses of time and energy are the things that were picked up on by the
 most people and are the giant shoulders that we're all standing on.
 A little appreciation can go a long way into helping us transform what we've got into the
 heaven on earth that we desire.
 -Yeah.
 -Instead of seeing it all as somebody's problem or seeing it through the eyes of envy and
 despair and resentment.
 If you just see the same picture through the eyes of appreciation and gratitude and optimism,
 we have never had more freedom or more opportunity to go in directions that individuals hold
 dear than we have right now.
 We just have to take those opportunities.
 -Yes.
 No, I agree with you.
 I think it's right before I saw how you have filtered the data that's coming into us.
 What's your belief system?
 What do you hold to be true?
 -Yeah, and the pendulum swings from fully trust faithfully in the future to tie your camel
 and-
 -And don't follow for the control tactics.
 -That's right.
 -Of the national intelligence.
 -Of the national intelligence.
 -Oh, should I say stupid control tactics.
 -There you go.
 -A boy, stupid control tactics.
 -That's what we're going to talk about in the next hour, right?
 -Oh, yeah.
 Well, if you want.
 -I thought that was one of your favorite things today.
 -It's a stupid control tactic.
 -No, I wanted to get into the CES.
 I wanted to see all the new gadgets that are coming out at CES.
 -All right.
 Well, how about that?
 We'll just take a couple minutes and one more nature technology article we can talk about
 the diesel system with the freshwater cheaper than tap water that's being designed.
 Because I think that's a really good example of us learning from nature.
 -Yeah, yeah.
 -Right.
 -Yeah, diesel.
 It's turning seawater into drinking water.
 The breakthrough here is that it's a completely passive new approach that's inspired by the
 ocean powered by the sun approach.
 It's a scientific paper, so it's not totally practical yet, but it's designed for a new
 solar diesel that utilizes natural sunlight for purifying the water.
 -They've been approaching it for years.
 Of course, one of the big problems with desalination is what happens to the salt.
 They keep designing new ways of distilling the water and doing it in such a way that
 we get pure fresh water, but we don't have the salt clogging the machine.
 This new design that they've come with is imitating the way that nature creates eddies
 of water in the ocean and moves the salt out of the way as the heat of the water is evaporated.
 These systems look like in about a one meter square device, they'll be able to create about
 five liters a day of drinkable water from salt water.
 -Google, thermal, kaolene.
 -People living on the coast.
 -Kolene.
 -Could be good.
 -Yes.
 -All right.
 -Thermal halene circulation.
 -You know, we're here at the top of the hour, which means we're going to take a little
 news break.
 -Yes, not our news break, but you know, whatever's going on right now.
 Hopefully they'll mention the Peregrine and maybe they've gotten more control over the
 spaceship by now.
 -All right, so stay tuned and we'll be back with Future Now here on Santa Cruz Voice.
 -Okay, see you later.
 [music]
 -Hey, welcome back to the show.
 Did you folks all hear about that iPhone that survived a 16,000 foot drop from a blown
 out Alaska Airlines plane?
 -Oh, I heard about the Alaska Airlines plane.
 So that's something that flew out of the door, huh?
 -Well, it's been on the news quite a bit, but the door flew out, but also a few other
 things flew out too, like a seat cushion.
 And interesting to me was an iPhone that dropped 16,000 feet from the sky and wasn't even
 cracked.
 -Wow.
 -And the panel blew out.
 -That definitely should make it into the next Apple iPhone commercials.
 -Yeah, I know, right?
 Everybody was asking, "What kind of case came with that?"
 -I know, that's the thing that went up by the same case.
 -That's right.
 What case survived that?
 I look at the picture of it, it doesn't look like that fancy a case.
 -That's right.
 -It's even dizzy, it's missing plastic and not even a glass cover.
 -Maybe it just landed in a bush.
 -It did.
 -It landed in a bush and a guy was walking down the street and he noticed it alone.
 It landed in a bush first.
 It didn't land on concrete.
 Yeah.
 -Yeah, I think I have a clip of him.
 Let's see if I can play this.
 -Okay.
 All right.
 -Notified residents to be on the lookout for debris from the blown out plane.
 -I found a phone sitting on the side of the road that had apparently 16,000 feet.
 And it was an airplane mode with a travel confirmation and baggage claim for Alaska 1282.
 -They said that when he notified the board, they told him that they had found another
 second functioning phone as well.
 -Grace says, "Siri screamed the whole way down."
 -Yeah.
 -"Screamy, I can hear her now."
 -"You're having a home attack.
 You're having a home attack.
 Did you fall?"
 -Yeah.
 So I'd like to know what the second screen, the second phone was.
 Maybe it was a galaxy.
 We don't know.
 -So this plane was a brand new plane, huh?
 -Pretty new.
 -Just a plane with eight weeks old.
 Boy.
 -Yeah.
 -I wonder if people are going to start having more technological problems because the education
 of people is less hands-on than it used to be.
 You know, more people are having their entire education about how to use a computer and
 very little hands-on experience, how to use tools and how to understand-
 -Oh, what shall we do, Mrs. Future?
 -I'm just using-
 -What shall we do?
 -I'm just contemplating.
 I've never heard of a door flying off of a plane before.
 -No, no one else had either.
 They are doing something about it.
 They're all looking at them all now.
 They're just good.
 We've got to see maybe there's a way in which the vibration of the plane was loosening
 the bolts.
 -Yeah.
 Well, it'll be interesting if they post the analysis of what went wrong.
 This sounds like a job for robots.
 -It's got to be something stupid like the bolts getting loose.
 -Right.
 Yeah.
 Well, I've never heard of that happening before.
 -I know.
 -I'm just saying.
 -I'm just saying.
 -It's not the same thing.
 -It's not the same thing.
 -It's not the same thing.
 -They're trying to find blame now.
 Or fault.
 I guess they would call it engineers or fault.
 -I just think there's a different kind of focus in people who have been raised, say,
 as mechanics versus people who have been raised as systems engineers.
 -Yeah.
 -They approach thinking about the problems differently.
 One of them will go look up the parts in a catalog.
 One of them will think about how they can tool a machine to get the part they need.
 It's a different kind of thinking.
 -Yeah.
 They'll learn from each other hopefully on this and our planes will be safer.
 -Yeah.
 -Yeah.
 -So.
 -Pina Galleries says that the guy who was sitting closest to the door had shorted Boeing.
 -The Wall Street stockbroker.
 -Yeah.
 It was the stockbroker who shorted Boeing.
 -Yeah.
 -Yeah.
 I guess the stock Boeing.
 I guess the stock would go Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 -Boeing.
 You're just a card.
 You should be dealt with.
 -Thank you for that.
 -Yeah.
 There's a guy who found the door in his back here.
 -He said everyone else in the neighborhood was looking for the door in their yard.
 So I decided to teach too.
 And sure enough, there's this shiny object and it was the door, the airplane.
 -Very interesting.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 -Yes.
 We've been there in Las Vegas.
 It's Sun's hometown here.
 Fourth generation Las Vegas.
 Every time it's a little bit different.
 This time what I found disturbing actually was something that always seemed quite sacred
 to me, which was the Pyramid Hotel in Las Vegas.
 -Luxor.
 -Luxor.
 -Sure.
 -We stayed there for so long.
 -And so cool black non-color with the light, super bright light going straight up from it.
 It was just an epic looking signal.
 -Yeah.
 -Going to the aliens about how awesome we are.
 -Uh-huh.
 -That looked really cool.
 But you know what I saw yesterday?
 -No.
 What did you see yesterday?
 -I saw that beautiful black pyramid lit up in super bright colors saying Doritos.
 -Seriously?
 -Doritos.
 -They do a light show commercial on the Lasor.
 -The shape.
 -They use the shape of one of the sides of the pyramid as a giant Dorito.
 -That's ridiculous.
 -But that's pretty interesting that they treat the whole hotel like a big screen.
 -Scik, we're going to profane.
 -Well, I guess since they launched the sphere, now giant screens are really all the rage,
 right?
 -Yeah.
 So I guess Luxor has got to keep up.
 -Keep up.
 -They probably got paid a lot for Doritos for that.
 -I'm sure they did.
 They don't have to sell too many more ads after that one.
 -Yeah.
 -When you're staying at the Luxor and if you have this LED panel outside your window,
 how do you see through it and if it's lit up by a Dorito and is the Dorito going to light
 up your room?
 -It's got to.
 I don't know how long we've left it up for.
 So this is probably on and off.
 -Well, and I wonder-
 -It's probably not a long time.
 -What is the mechanism for lighting up the windows?
 Is it a projector somewhere?
 -You know, I haven't seen any tech articles on that at all.
 I just saw that horrendous Dorito at the beloved pyramid site and I haven't been able to
 quite go to the point of figuring out who did it yet.
 But that's a good question.
 -All right.
 -I'm like, how they did it and how- I know that it was a David Copperfield made it disappear
 once or he disappeared above the pyramid.
 There was a big pyramid trick that one of the magicians of Las Vegas.
 -Yeah, I don't remember.
 -It was all done with mirrors, right?
 -Yeah, probably.
 Probably.
 On that scale.
 The CES is going on right now in this Las Vegas area.
 And that's where all the latest gadgets and stuff are coming out.
 -So apparently this is something the Luxor is doing all the time.
 It's just turned into a big electronic billboard.
 -Oh, yeah.
 Las Vegas is really the first virtual city where everything is made up.
 I think it was a water stop when it first started.
 Oh, okay.
 Greg said it's an outward-facing LED mesh.
 -Oh, thank you, Greg.
 Weave it to you.
 -Wow.
 -Outward-facing LED mesh.
 -For the giant Dorito at the Luxor.
 -I see.
 And so are the people inside able to look out like it's a window?
 I wonder.
 -I could probably see through it.
 It'd probably be visible a little bit from the inside.
 Or maybe they figured out a way of not hitting the windows of the customers.
 -Yeah, maybe it's some kind of window mirror glass or something, right?
 -Faces outwards only.
 -Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Really interesting.
 -So back to the CES.
 We were talking about the Loha robot.
 Well, at CES, it's not as sophisticated.
 Robots with robots were definitely in.
 And Samsung had one called the Bali.
 -B-A-L-L-I-E, as opposed to B-A-L-I-B-A-L-L-I-E Bali.
 Samsung's Bali.
 -Mm-hmm.
 Have you seen the Star Wars movies?
 You've seen the little BB-8 Droid, the little rolling ball?
 -The ball.
 Yeah.
 -Yeah, sure.
 -Yeah.
 Well, the Bali was out and apparently the big feature is it rolls around the house with
 you, hangs out with you.
 And it'll even keep an eye on your pets and get this.
 It has a built-in projector.
 Kind of like R2D2 showing princess.
 -So this is a rolling robot, huh?
 -Yeah.
 -It's a rolling projector robot.
 -Yes.
 -And what other kinds of skills does it have?
 -Project on the walls.
 It can project on the walls for you.
 -Uh-huh.
 So is it meant to be a communication device?
 Is it meant to be a toy for dogs?
 What are they using it for?
 -Well, number one, it's super cute.
 -Yeah.
 It's a ball.
 -Okay.
 -It's a ball that can roll itself around.
 -Yeah.
 They've been working on it for a few years to get it to this point.
 One of the potential uses of it is that it can have a built-in feeder for your animal.
 -Oh, okay.
 So it'll fill up a dog bowl.
 -Yeah.
 It has little...
 -What do they call those nibbles?
 -Pet feeder.
 -Yeah.
 -Connected to a pet feeder.
 -Uh-huh.
 -And it can launch a refill to the pet feeder.
 It doesn't have it built into itself, but it can control the pet feeder so you can control
 your animal through training it with food.
 -So the animal is going to be really interested in chasing this ball.
 -Well, the ball is going to eat.
 -Because the ball has kibble in it.
 -If the ball can give you what you want, it behooves you to learn how to get what you
 want from the ball.
 That's the way the canine mind works.
 -Oh, my goodness.
 -So let's just say the canine...
 -Dogs are about to become computer literate.
 -Yeah, they're starting.
 -You've been waiting for the day.
 -Learning basic logic 101, pushing the puppies.
 But if he says that and I do it, then I get fed.
 Yeah, they all get that really fast.
 So it will patiently wait for also for your little furry friend to finish his food and
 then it'll project the dog's favorite video on the wall.
 -Wow.
 -So it will be well fed and it'll have a time of its life watching dog TV.
 -Well, if it can project its favorite video, can it project its favorite FaceTime?
 Can you have a live conversation with your dog through your Bali?
 You could have you, your face, petting him saying, "Good boy, good boy."
 Of course your Bali also knows how to turn on your lights and turn them off, both inside
 and outside.
 -Now, I predict this is going to be people's first robot.
 Actually the...
 -That's cute.
 -The robo vacuum maybe was the people's first robot.
 -The vacuum, yeah.
 -And now we've got a dog feeder, a roll around dog feeder.
 -Yeah, it'll come...
 -Robots on wheels.
 -Let's face it, we've been brought up with the Star Wars model and that's the way it
 is.
 Of course you want your little robot, your BB-8 model.
 -Does it have a name?
 You know, like the other AIs?
 -Bali, they could be a L.L.I.D.
 -I know, but you know...
 -I guess you could personalize it.
 -I can only give it a better name, I think.
 -Yeah, it'll be the...
 I guess it could be the new Barbie model.
 -Because it could be any sex.
 -But it just rolls.
 But what's creature rolls, BB-8?
 -All right, so that got your highest marks.
 -Yeah, that's one of the things I noticed, I really liked that.
 -Yeah.
 -But you know what I honestly liked?
 There was a very interesting demo of a new kind of television set.
 -Oh, you're talking about the LG, huh?
 -Yeah.
 -Oh, the LG.
 -The Holy Prince parents.
 -So it looks like an empty screen.
 You can look through it.
 -Yeah, it's a beautiful 77 inches of...
 -Nothing.
 -Yes, nothing.
 [laughter]
 -Finally, television has been made invisible and it's fully transparent.
 You can see through it to the other side.
 -You know, I think this is a really brilliant concept...
 -It's a screen in the air.
 -...to create space.
 It's still very boxy, but you put it in the room like it's an object of art.
 -Yeah, it kind of looks like a very high-end fish tank.
 -Well, that's because not only can it be transparent, it can be translucent.
 So we're back to the days where you can have a screen saver constantly giving you fish.
 [laughter]
 -Part of the thing is that it can also turn into a normal-looking television simply by
 rolling up a black screen on the far side of it.
 So the fish tank becomes black in the back and it makes the image that's being generated
 in the tank look like a regular television image.
 -I think this is going to be very popular.
 If it doesn't have any technical difficulties, I think the look of it is really interesting.
 -Yeah, it's really gotten a lot of people's attention.
 -Yeah.
 -It's an OLED, 77 inches, quite beautiful.
 It's wireless.
 It's got a whole...
 -Well, it looks like a Japanese temple.
 You know how Japanese do?
 They use a very perfect square harmonious.
 They almost look like Fibonacci-type relationships.
 A Mondrian, you know, it has these great lines that are very pleasing.
 -Yeah, it's nice.
 It's really...
 -Yeah.
 -It's a sense of openness from it.
 I think you'll start to see the television being used more as an art thing, sort of showing
 artworks in the daytime instead of just sitting there with a blank screen on the wall.
 It'll become part of the...
 -There you go.
 I'd say the 24-hour news cycle is definitely on its way out.
 [laughter]
 -It'll be on all the time.
 But it doesn't have to be information.
 It can just be...
 -It can just be beautiful.
 -Something tranquil.
 -Something beautiful.
 -Like a fish tank.
 Like a jungle scene or like...
 Or your favorite collection of screen savers, if you will.
 That's the other thing.
 They're starting to release 8K screens.
 -What do you like about an 8K screen?
 -It gets closer to human vision.
 And the more...
 -It's still flat, though.
 -Well, that's the other thing.
 -Yeah, there's the whole third dimensional element of it.
 There was one device there that was using a lenticular screen to create a 3D.
 Yeah.
 And they're seeing it as a gaming use.
 The 3D is still being experimented with, but the killer app for 3D seems yet to have
 been invented.
 I haven't seen anything that really takes 3D to a new level here yet.
 So this is an ongoing thing.
 This is going on through Thursday as more and more people arrive.
 And actually the show floor, I believe, didn't even open until today.
 So we're just starting to get the initial reports on that.
 There's one thing that you mentioned earlier about a paper tablet.
 Is that got your attention?
 -Yes.
 Well, paper tablets.
 I always like...
 I have always, since the very early days of Kindle, really liked the E-ink screens.
 I find them much easier to deal with than the high contrast multicolored brightly lit
 screens, which always feel a little harsh to me and kind of blurry.
 So not only are there a lot of innovative paper inventions at the CES, they also have
 things like this computer called the Freerite, which is a lightweight portable typewriter
 with E-ink, a digital screen.
 And so this is not really a computer.
 This is designed to be a typewriter that eliminates all the distractions that a computer offers
 to a writer, so that instead of being constantly beroished with notifications and everything
 going on in the universe and everybody who wants your attention, this actually allows
 you to be alone with your writing.
 -Yes.
 Back to the days, it was just you and your trusty typewriter.
 -Yeah.
 And so it's compatible with a laptop, but it's not a laptop.
 -It just does type in.
 -Right.
 You can think of it as a fancy keyboard with a very limited screen.
 -It's to cut down on the instructions.
 Yeah, I can see that.
 -It interacts with your cloud storage areas.
 You can keep all your content on the net as you were, but it doesn't put through all
 of those annoying user-related messages.
 And so I first heard about this from our friend Nancy Griffith because she, as a writer, was
 very excited about the idea that she could do some writing without being distracted, just
 like the old days before computers.
 So I mean--
 -Yeah, I can see that.
 The other apps are distracting you, then that's this perfect thing.
 -Yeah.
 -I don't personally have that problem, but I can see them.
 -Well, a lot of people feel it's kind of pricey for what it is, $500, $600.
 -Right, it's true.
 You can easily be distracted on these things.
 -Yeah.
 -Yeah.
 -Well, trying not to be distracted.
 I'm constantly getting disturbed even though I have my notifications off, you know.
 -Yeah, you're right.
 -I don't know.
 -Yeah, Bobby, about you.
 -I noticed Kohler has the newest bidet finally brings Alexa and Google to your butt.
 -Run this one together.
 We're talking a serious innovation here.
 -When Japan, they've had these bidets for a long time.
 But now what they've done with AI is they're bringing AI to this so that you can control
 the amount of spray and the ventilation, the fan and warm air.
 -And is the bidet going to constantly bug you for permission to use your phone as a camera?
 -No.
 -Don't you think it would register your profile but know your butt and give you exactly the
 kind of washing you need for your particular profile?
 -Yeah.
 -And they don't have cameras.
 I was just joking.
 -No, they have some kind of scanner though.
 These computers, they'll give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
 -I'm sure it even has blow dry.
 -Yeah, it has blow dry.
 It can change the temperature exactly the way and tell it it's doing a good job or not.
 -Yes, but it doesn't have a bottle of brush.
 -Yeah.
 -I can see how you get very personal with these things.
 -When you're sitting there and spending a little time there, I guess you could ask
 how's the weather and things like that and it'll respond to you.
 -Yes.
 -That's smart toilets.
 It seems like a natural.
 We're definitely going to head in more than that direction.
 But I'd like to see them also take it further down the toilet too to how you process the
 input into that system because right now the plumbing systems and the toilets are huge
 watery infrastructure that from my understanding we don't have to waste so much water to process
 all that poop, we could do it more individually before it gets cycled.
 We're all going with water toilets because that's the standard infrastructure that exists.
 -Right.
 -Right.
 -I just imagine that a little bit.
 -There was one a few years ago brought to my attention called the lovable loo.
 And of course anybody who's into permaculture and organic farming knows that if you keep
 a straw bale nearby and you can collect your poo in a bucket with straw and it can become
 human newer at some point.
 You can go completely waterless and still keep it pretty sanitary.
 -Yeah.
 It's a lot of wasted molecules just to throwing it out.
 What does nature do?
 Nature doesn't throw it all out.
 It recycles it to various creatures that love it.
 -But humans don't necessarily like the smell of all that recycling.
 -No, necessarily.
 -We want it flushed away.
 -Yes.
 And that was a very 18th century genius idea.
 You don't like the smell?
 Flush it away.
 Hey.
 -It makes except that now a way comes back to you to bite you in the butt, so to speak.
 -Well, we are wasting a lot of water on this.
 -Yeah, we are.
 -And a lot of toilet paper.
 -Yeah.
 -And the toilet paper.
 -Centuries past people were not running out of clean water.
 You know?
 -Well, I remember my first apartment.
 They used to have a big burner downstairs that would just disintegrate your trash.
 You'd just take your trash out into the hallway and dump it into the furnace.
 And that was normal.
 It was in a big high rise in downtown Montreal.
 It was in the 70s.
 They switched.
 They stopped doing that.
 But for a long time, that was normal.
 The evolution of toilets has got to be to a point where it's more efficient.
 The molecules are more useful than just being thrown away.
 -I think they're going to implant.
 There are sensors you can put in your toilet to detect some sort or another.
 -Yes.
 Early detection for certain types of cancers and things like that.
 -Right.
 And what bacteria exist in your household?
 -Or your microbiome.
 Yeah.
 What's going on there?
 -Yeah.
 So a lot of information is being thrown out right now too.
 That could give us more what we want, which is better personalized healthcare.
 -Absolutely.
 -That would be an innovation in that arena.
 So it's interesting that we've got toilets that clean your butt better.
 That's a great first start.
 But I'm going to give these other levels of information and functionality are yet to arrive.
 So there's a lot of room for evolution in the bathroom.
 -Yeah.
 -On that note, perhaps it's a good time for us to take a little bathroom break.
 -All right.
 Let's do that.
 -Yeah.
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 This is your chance.
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 [Music]
 Welcome back, folks.
 Welcome back.
 It's been interesting a couple of weeks, this is the beginning of the year.
 We had another flood at the beach house for starters.
 It was much better than last year.
 Fortunately, we had storm plywood up on the windows and doors,
 and the garage, one place we didn't have flywood,
 but got broken into by a giant or log of some sort that pushed in the garage door.
 Sad because it was just less than a month ago.
 We had it fixed from last year.
 So it's been a little bit trying in a number of areas.
 In the just in the last three days, we had two fender benders on our cars.
 And you wonder, what's going on?
 What is it about now that we're having these little stupid accidents?
 Pluto and Aquarius?
 Well, that's one explanation.
 I'm willing to go there if you are.
 I don't know.
 Pluto, Aquarius.
 I really know much about that stuff.
 To me, I'm thinking more that weird things happen almost like the weather,
 that there's some kind of equivalent of a weather pattern that has to do with luck.
 Yeah, you were describing it as an energetic.
 An energetic is a show.
 Sometimes you just wake up and you just know today is a day that you'd be better off staying in bed, right?
 You can just tell.
 Bad hair day.
 Yeah, and other days you jump up and just feel like you can do no wrong and the world belongs to you.
 Yeah, right.
 So those are energetics.
 Energetics, yeah.
 And that there's some kind of energetic going on today that involves not just personal energetics, but a larger scale.
 Countries, planet.
 You mean like all these failed space missions that are launching this week?
 Yeah, that happened too.
 Keep in mind that so many things are going right all the time.
 Just our minds naturally see the things that...
 That's good.
 Yeah.
 And so...
 That's true.
 Good things are more likely to happen when you can appreciate it.
 They mostly are.
 I mean, if suddenly a lot more...
 It seems like a very small percentage of things that are happening mostly good.
 And if it increases in the number of bad things happening then we all notice pretty quickly.
 So it seems like we're in a little period right now where it's been a little dicey and so what would be your best tip in navigating these waters?
 Be alert.
 Be careful.
 Pay more attention to each moment.
 Yeah, attentive.
 Right.
 Especially in the evening.
 Mindful.
 It's trying to feel the flow.
 Sometimes, Sun was saying, you can feel that, oh, you're going in the right direction because things are moving with you.
 Yeah.
 Or you're just riding the wave.
 Yeah, you feel like you're making the moment the way you think it's going to be.
 You get your groove on.
 Yeah.
 Get back in your flow.
 Yeah, I think there's a lot to that.
 I think you kind of know when you are and when you're not and to strive to be in it is a natural thing to do.
 It seems like that this is a bigger pattern right now to be paying more attention to the details.
 But it really makes you wonder.
 It gets really humiliating sometimes.
 You know, it's really...
 Yeah, car accidents are pretty humiliating.
 You feel like somehow you should have been able to avoid that.
 You want to blame somebody or you want to act like it wasn't your fault.
 And sometimes that's actually true.
 Sometimes you just had a destiny with that dent.
 If I hadn't been there five seconds later or earlier and it wouldn't have happened.
 Oh, you know, I call those things cosmic timing adjustments.
 Sometimes I feel like, oh, if I'd just checked the mail instead of rushing by, then I would have been 15 seconds out of phase and missed that.
 Well, that's a good point.
 Didn't you think rushing has anything to do with this?
 Sometimes.
 I think you describe it very well. There's a sense of being in the groove.
 And in the groove is not too fast and not too slow.
 And what you're doing delivers you at the perfect moment.
 So it's hard to equate it with something that's as external as speeding or not speeding or following the rules or being on time.
 Those are outer directed concepts.
 This is much more of an intuitive connection with just what works.
 Yeah.
 But when something goes wrong, it will affect my mood.
 And often that mood will make it worse.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's it.
 I think that is where we have the most ability to affect the outcome actually is your response.
 When something bad is happening or when you feel a little haunted by something that you just feel is lurking out there.
 If you can direct your energy so that you're not making it worse, it can actually have a profound effect and maybe you can avoid some things.
 That's interesting how it happens.
 Like I found that I was trying to reflect on this little fender bed in a little strip mall.
 We were doing some laundry.
 And the next thing that went wrong was a couple minutes later when I was putting money into the washing machine and it jammed.
 It wasn't taking all my money.
 I just had as a tendency because I already was kind of flustered from the accident.
 This is just going to make things worse.
 And it started to.
 But fortunately, the sun was here and she came in and she had a more sunny way of, oh, let's see.
 It's just how you drop the coins.
 Don't hit it.
 And just at that moment as she was telling me what she thought about it, a woman from the laundromat came over and gave us a download on exactly how to deal with that machine so that it took its money properly.
 And all it required from my point of view was to not get mad or hit it to relax and that the answer will come in.
 Sure enough, it turned out to be helpful because in the midst of all this melee, the sun forgot her purse and left it there.
 And that woman who we created affinity with had kept it safe for us so that she was able to go back the next day and retrieve it, her purse.
 Oh, and just in terms of the small picture of all the things that are going wrong and they're just not paying attention or having a bad day, all those kinds of feelings.
 Well, in the bigger picture where you're feeling like, well, maybe it was supposed to happen.
 Maybe there's some other reason why it had to happen.
 The day before all of this happened, I had gotten a tracker in the mail over a Christmas.
 I had decided to get some air trackers and see if they were useful.
 And I had just that day put a tracker on my purse the same day I lost it.
 For the timing.
 So I had a tremendous peace of mind because I knew exactly where it was and I knew it was in a locked office.
 And I knew that even though I'd missed my chance to go get it, that it was being cared for by someone who I had a nice connection with,
 who was a helpful person.
 And just all these little ways that it could have been worse, it could have been better, but maintaining equilibrium definitely helped me get through it and helped you get through it.
 We kind of bolstered each other that way.
 And when we saw that the purse was safe behind the counter, then we could relax.
 We'll get it later.
 We'll get it later.
 That was a good use of the technology.
 Not to worry.
 Keep us safe and keep us feeling a lot more level, a state of mind.
 Yeah.
 And even though I'm not as pro technology as you, I am definitely a cheerleader for the fact that all of these inventions that we have created are very helpful to us.
 We are very different kinds of creatures because we don't have to keep everything in our head.
 We do have so many repositories of useful information.
 We can call on YouTube when we want to learn something new.
 I really like the way society is going in the direction of having more access to a more general variety of skills and information and connections.
 It's called the Apple AirTag 4-pack that we got.
 Not quite in time for Christmas, but perfect timing for this mishap.
 Yeah.
 Well, talk about perfect timing.
 It was a whole series of goofy things that even led us to get the air tax because I like to get stocking stuffers.
 And so I was monitoring some of those specials, those Black Friday specials.
 And this thing passed by that I thought was an air tag and I thought, wow, that's a really great price.
 Hey, five bucks.
 I can get four air tags.
 Okay.
 And I had no idea that they weren't $5 items.
 I just thought, oh, well, air tags.
 All right.
 I'll try it.
 I'll put them as a stocking stuffer if nothing else.
 And so what came was not air tags, but was holders for air tags.
 Yeah, I know.
 Which came in handy when you actually got the air tags.
 Well, I don't think I would have bought the air tags if I hadn't made this mistake of getting the wrong thing and just having a holder for an air tag.
 And this just felt like such a waste.
 So I had to order the air tags to go with it because that's really what I wanted.
 And by the time the actual air tags came in, it was like the day that I was going to lose my person need that air tag.
 So, hey, there's a divine order, right?
 There's a higher level of things unfolding.
 Just bumbling our way through it, making these smart decisions as we think we can do.
 You could say it's random or you could say it's fixed.
 It's no choice.
 It's predetermined.
 And who really knows, right?
 Yeah, it kind of helps with the other processes, other projects we're working on too.
 This out here is also working on a bathroom remodel with their sisters.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's a real, that's a joy.
 The man in the family loves seeing four women trying to make up their minds on it.
 Yeah, the man, especially in the family, loves joking about our political process of deciding on which faucets to get.
 Yeah, it's which faucets to be a sliding door or should be an opening door.
 To the shower and what kind of bath, how long should it be?
 And we've really been at it for a year because my youngest sister is very efficient and very experienced.
 We basically lined it all up to get this remodel happening last year.
 But unfortunately, the rest of us didn't like something.
 We didn't like the prize.
 So we didn't like the plan or we didn't like the fact we weren't consulted or whatever.
 Everybody has their issues.
 Everybody put it on the back burner and then hit it again this year.
 And I considered to be a challenge for leadership.
 Like we have to do group mind leadership and make sure we're all in the loop.
 And what are group chats for?
 You can talk about what your preferences are and take a vote.
 It doesn't take too much extra time.
 It's as efficient as it can be.
 Yeah, it seems like the female system is not hierarchical but circular.
 It goes round and round and round and round and round.
 Well, let's just say we explore all the options.
 And as soon as we explore an option, we might have an idea of something we haven't tried yet.
 So then let's explore that option.
 You find something new besides a sliding door or an opening closed door.
 Yeah, and the efficiency factor isn't as important as feeling good about the aesthetics and good about all of the choices that we're making because we're going to have to live with them.
 Yeah.
 And we want to feel good about that.
 We want to feel good about each other.
 So it really is a process among siblings of getting along and doing it in a way that makes everybody feel satisfied with the outcome.
 Not everybody always gets everything they want, but they at least feel like their voice was heard and their opinion mattered and maybe they lost one vote, but they won another one somewhere else.
 Gotcha.
 Yeah.
 So everyone gives each other a chance to chime in on what should be done and how.
 Yeah.
 But it sure could be a very funny little comedy stick.
 I think so.
 I think so.
 I think so.
 It sort of reminds me that you used to say the joke about Israelis is how whenever you're in Israel, you always have two people, three opinions like that.
 Right.
 Yeah, at least it brings up the whole field of jokes of women in charge.
 You know, be careful.
 Yeah.
 Then I see her buddy.
 I'm still cooking dinner at night, you know.
 Well, women have their jokes too.
 Oh, yeah.
 Why don't you get a joke about women's joke about men?
 Yeah, feminist jokes.
 Okay.
 Why shouldn't you let a man's mind wander because it's way too little to be out alone.
 But that's insulting.
 Come on.
 How are many things?
 It's kind of charming.
 What's the difference between a clitoris and a golf ball?
 A man will actually look for a golf ball.
 But don't, boom.
 Okay.
 What's the best way to find a truly committed man?
 Visit the closest mental hospital.
 I don't think you relate to any of these.
 No, I don't.
 That's not my.
 You're just now, see, this is where AIs fall short, right?
 You ask them for a joke and they just have no discernment whatsoever.
 They just pull up whatever's in the bottom of the bag and put it out there.
 And you're the one who's supposed to have discernment.
 Well, okay.
 I know.
 I'm just saying that the online thing is really hit and miss.
 It could be a lot better.
 But hey, I'm willing to look at it to see like, is it one joke on women's making decisions?
 What country do you want to invade?
 I don't care.
 You pick.
 I said, well, if you pick that one, I don't want that one.
 You pick that everyone you want.
 Just not that one.
 I don't know if that one too.
 And don't feel like it's other than these.
 You can choose, whatever you want.
 Alright, that sounds a little more amusing.
 If women were old, there wouldn't be any war.
 There'd just be conversations like that.
 Yeah, well, ruling is overrated.
 You know, there's a lot more fun in just getting along.
 I think so.
 So before we go today, let's get a little bit into that medical news on the universal
 CAR-T cell therapy for blood cancer.
 Oh, yeah.
 Yeah, it was inspired by Brother Norm, our first...
 I heard in from her.
 Post-erpatient for CAR-T.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 In experiments with mouse models of different blood cancers, this treatment rapidly eliminated
 tumors, including in mice with acute leukemia, acute myeloid leukemia, which is a very
 difficult to treat type of blood cancer.
 And there was no evidence of any serious side effects in the animals and distinct from other
 approaches to current CAR-T therapies.
 It provided the mice with a healthy supply of new blood cells.
 Mm-hmm.
 So it doesn't sound like they had the problem not having the B cells.
 Well, yeah, to create the new blood cells was part of eliminating the cancer, right?
 Yeah.
 Because they...
 Yeah.
 Well, it's a very complex process.
 Yeah.
 But basically, they're mutating the B cells so that the B cells will work with the therapy.
 Well, my understanding is that they had to eliminate B cells because they were getting infected.
 Well, it's limited.
 And so your immune system doesn't have B cells, which makes it more handicapped than a normal
 immune system.
 From what, at least for cursory read, it looks like it might eliminate that big issue using
 CRISPR, CRISPR-based editing technology.
 Right.
 Yeah.
 It looks like it's using CRISPR to modify the CD45 on the surface of these T cells.
 So that's a receptor site.
 And so that, well, it allows CAR-T to kill specific cancer cells but not kill the blood
 cells that it normally.
 It doesn't carpet bomb everything.
 It's very selective now.
 And we're targeting it.
 And we're targeting it.
 Retain your T cell.
 It's more personal.
 Your immune system.
 Yeah.
 And it's universal so that it can apply to other types of leukemia type cancers also, not
 just myeloid.
 Yeah.
 So it seems like that eliminates that time consuming process of developing single therapies for
 specific cancers by being useful against all of them.
 Well, I'll tell you this article that you have published on Dr. Future Show's links is
 a really good primer if you want to understand what CAR-T cell therapy is and how it has
 been used and developed to treat cancer, to treat leukemia and develop a universal therapy
 for other kinds of cancers.
 Yes.
 They genetically infuse millions of your own T cells back into your body.
 They take your T cells out, replicate them, put them back into your body again by the
 millions, thereby increasing your ability to fight disease.
 So it's enhancing the immune system, which seems to be a very fruitful direction to
 head in for treating cancer these days.
 Yeah.
 It's immunotherapy where it's boosting your immune system to recognize and target specific
 cancer cells.
 What it does in this change is it allows the healthy cells to have this cloak of immunity
 where it doesn't get targeted and destroyed and only the cancer cells, which are slightly
 different on the surface, it just goes after those cancer cells specifically.
 So it just boosts your immune system and goes after the target.
 And goes after the target.
 Much more selective than the therapy before.
 Yes.
 Yes.
 So, University of Pennsylvania?
 Yeah.
 Proven School of Medicine.
 Yeah.
 All right.
 Well, I see a quote here in the middle.
 We hit home runs with CD-19 and BCMA says, "SAD Kendra and the MD of the Mayo Clinic
 Comprehensive Cancer Center in Minnesota."
 But he's not involved with the study, but they're looking for target antigens for many
 types of blood cancer.
 And typically, these target antigens are lineage antigens, which are specific to the type of
 cell in which they're produced.
 Yeah.
 Pennsylvania was concentrating on the CD-45 antigen, particularly.
 CD-45 is a lineage antigen for most types of blood cells, including white blood cells.
 They said, initially, they would seem like it would be a poor candidate against which
 to develop a CAR-T therapy.
 But it's no universal presence.
 Also made CD-45 uniquely attractive.
 I'll have to mention this to Katia's brother, who recently went down to E.C.S.D.
 And he had to actually completely use chemotherapy to destroy all his blood platelets that were
 produced in the bone marrow.
 And then he had to borrow his sisters, which was the most likely candidate, stem cells,
 for the bone transfer.
 And now he's over the hump, and it looks like he's going to make it.
 But this type of therapy would probably help them immensely in mind.
 He would have had a better problem.
 Yeah.
 And a better outcome.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, a better outcome.
 I wonder if people who are already in CAR-T programs could switch to something like this,
 whether or not that is an upgrade.
 That's interesting.
 You should ask your brother.
 Yeah, he should come on the show.
 I will.
 No, I'm going to check this out.
 I'm kind of curious what you think.
 Maybe you can give us an update that would take us to a deeper understanding of this.
 Yeah.
 It should be too hard.
 Yeah.
 I'd say our understanding is far from deep.
 We're not really hitting her, but I'm saying this looks good.
 I don't even think we could get the surface yet.
 This looks good, folks.
 Yeah, let's look further into this and we'll get further information this week, deeper.
 All right.
 Well, we're interested in this article.
 I wish we could summarize it better, but it's a very unfamiliar paradigm for us.
 It's from the National Cancer Institute directly.
 It's a major technical piece.
 There's some more comments from the peanut gallery.
 Right, yes.
 We'll go out on it.
 We've got another couple minutes here.
 Let's get peanut gallery comments to close out the show.
 Billy Sunshine loves us.
 Greg goes back to her conversation on 3D.
 That 3D is something that hasn't really happened yet in media to the extent that it's become
 normalized, but the next big experiment in 3D is going to be the Apple Vision Pro.
 Oh, I'm glad you got a chance to mention that.
 You've got an article on that.
 The Apple Vision Pro will be 3D pictures and 3D videos that you can take yourself.
 It's not just your stuff that's being produced professionally.
 It's your own camera.
 The iPhone 5 Pro and the Pro Max are both set to do this.
 So Apple is going to make a big foray into the 3D media coming out with the Apple Vision
 Pro that their $3,500 device coming out this month.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 So we leave it at that and stay tuned.
 Bobby, thanks for being here.
 I appreciate your input.
 Happy New Year to everybody.
 Happy New Year.
 Welcome home.
 And this future.
 Son, love you so much.
 Thank you for being here.
 Oh, you too.
 It's so great.
 We love you so much.
 You too.
 All right.
 Well, love you all.
 Happy Birthday, Halle.
 That's right.
 And Jeff and January babies and we'll see you in the future now.
 Yes.
 Bye-bye.