45 Future Now Show - Apple Vision Pro Release, new Optimus Robot, Scintillating Commentary and Interview with storied Astrologer Henry Seltzer on What's Up Now!

- Say kids, what time is that?
 (bell dings)
 (upbeat music)
 ♪ The future is coming on ♪
 ♪ It's coming on ♪
 ♪ It's coming on ♪
 ♪ It's coming on ♪
 ♪ It's coming on ♪
 - Then off we go into the future.
 - That's right.
 - And we're ready to hit the new year.
 The last show, is this future, our last show.
 - Well, just for 2023. - Right.
 - I doubt it's our last show. - You're right.
 - But we are transitioning to a new show in 2024.
 We're jumping into an uncertain future
 and seeing as we've gotten older,
 have we also gotten more video-friendly?
 (laughs)
 - And we'll kind of return to our roots.
 (laughs)
 That's true.
 This radio thing has been good training,
 good training for the audio.
 Any good movie, 50% of the movie, is the sound you know.
 So I really appreciate these 14 years
 of doing broadcast radio every week.
 - And I'd like to thank Santa Cruz Voice
 for helping us get up to speed in our own home studio
 so that we've got the audio broadcasting down.
 We've got the gear, we've got the connections,
 we've got the wisdom.
 We know how to not offend our audiences.
 We hope with a little bit of feedback from our peeps.
 (laughs)
 - Yeah, you know the funny thing is,
 "Okay, we get to go back to video."
 But then all the latest stuff in the video,
 world is text to video, text to video.
 (laughs)
 Describe a scene, there it is.
 - Yeah.
 - It's the whole AI thing in video where it's creating-
 - Props.
 - Movies, videos from your words, from just all your words.
 Which I guess that's where broadcast radio was very handy
 'cause we really got into words.
 - You know, I finally understand what you've been meaning
 by the cinematic language.
 - Ooh.
 - That was always just a big blur when you said that.
 Oh, the future of computers is the development
 of a cinematic language.
 And yet now with our ability to speak
 and then the computers type that in
 and how the AI has turned that into visualizations.
 - Yes, yes, yes.
 - I get it.
 - Yeah.
 - You see what you've been talking about.
 - All right, all right.
 Well, we hope all of you will appreciate this
 'cause it's a new language that we all kind of know.
 We've always watched a lot of movies,
 watched a lot of television.
 We have an idea of-
 - More all the time.
 - Cinematic languages on a pragmatic level.
 It's just learning how to speak it,
 how to make interesting from your point of view,
 from your phone.
 That's where it gets interesting.
 That's when it comes to language
 'cause it becomes two-way.
 And TikTok and Instagram and Facebook even are all contributing
 to this evolution.
 - Yeah.
 Well, I'll really like it better when the AI's prove
 that they're very good comedians
 with a lot of empathy and humor.
 Long way to go, I think.
 - Meanwhile, Bobby is in-
 - Hawaii.
 - Hawaii.
 - Right, Hawaii.
 - Yeah, he probably doesn't know what time it is.
 - Well, he's a late night guy.
 So I was thinking, okay,
 it goes to bed at six in the morning.
 - In Hawaii time.
 - And in Hawaii time is two hours earlier than us.
 So he just gets out of bed in time for our show
 at one o'clock in the afternoon and California time.
 So that would be a level of talk in Maui time.
 So I would assume he's dead asleep at 11 o'clock AM.
 - Long story short, see you next week, Bobby.
 - Yeah, we'll see you soon, Bobby.
 Have a great time there.
 - Yeah, I wanna hear your surfing stories.
 I'm sure Katcha's gonna catch some amazing waves.
 - Well, in terms of the future tech now,
 what was interesting is that Apple began to do mass shipments
 of the Apple Vision Pro.
 Oh boy, they've been tantalizing us for six months now.
 They're finally gonna let the public have access to it.
 - Well, they're mass shipments
 of the Vision Pro mixed reality headset
 first week of January, first week of January.
 They were talking about it like March
 when they first were announcing it last summer.
 - The first AR headsets that show artificial eyeballs
 on the outside in case somebody's in the room with you,
 looking at you with your mask on.
 - Well, you know, people found that a little freaky.
 - Yeah.
 - With they see your eyes,
 even though they're not really your eyes,
 they're CGI- - Simulation of your eyes.
 - Yeah, they're 3D renditions of your eyes.
 - So people found that a little recent,
 they might turn that feature off.
 - Really?
 - That's gonna be on the initial versions.
 - The thing is, that's the kind of technology
 that I have heard that UFOs used to disguise themselves
 in the sky, right?
 They just are using a projection of what is
 on the other side of the lens,
 and then they're putting that out as a simulation
 so that you can't tell that there's a ship there.
 Like the ship has this screen that's simulating what
 it sees on the other side.
 - Right, it could be anything.
 You know, I'll tell you, if I had putting on my glasses
 and I wanted people to see my eyes,
 I would start to mess with my eyes for a long play with them.
 - Like cross them?
 - Or you cross them.
 - What do you mean?
 - How would you play with it?
 - It makes them look like somebody else's eyes,
 or turns the color,
 or if I'm not limited
 by what my eyes look like.
 - Maybe make one big and one small.
 - Why would I simply replicate my eyes?
 Why would I do that?
 - Well, we all know you have a very strange appreciation
 of beauty.
 - My feeling is that I'm not the only one,
 and that many people will start playing with their eyes
 if you can do that.
 And just think about it.
 I don't want to just look at like my normal eyes,
 when people are looking at my glides.
 Now the idea is that--
 - Can you give make up a whole new dimension now?
 - For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about,
 when you're wearing VR glasses,
 it looks like your head is in a little bucket,
 and people just see the bottom of the bucket.
 When they're looking at you now,
 instead of just seeing the bottom of the bucket,
 they would see your eyes now.
 - Or simulation of your eyes.
 - Yeah, the simulation of your eyes now.
 That's what we're talking about.
 - The uncanny valley.
 - And that simulation is something we could play with.
 - Right.
 - All right, so--
 - The vision pro.
 - The important thing is--
 - The actuality headset.
 - The important thing is these are coming out
 as soon as next month, or in our case now, next week.
 And that they'll be shipping approximately half a million
 of these vision pro devices,
 as they get ready to do this most important
 product launch of their lifetime.
 - All right, yeah, Dr. Future and I have not gotten one,
 because I like to wait and see,
 and see how good it is before we dive in.
 But if anybody knows somebody who's got one,
 we would sure love to be invited over to play with it.
 - Yeah.
 - Spread word.
 - Yeah.
 - For those of you who are wondering about this,
 $5,000 is where it ends up ultimately costing you
 for the software--
 - I thought they said it was three.
 - 3,500 plus, if you wear glasses,
 which most people do these days,
 you need to get prescription fitting
 for your Apple Vision Pro,
 and that costs at least $500.
 And then there's software that you need to buy,
 and maybe who knows?
 You might want to have a second pair of glasses made,
 especially for the Apple Vision Pro
 that you just leave in them, something like that.
 Anyway, it's going to cost you around $5,000.
 And that it's setting the stage for a major product launch.
 It ramps up into February.
 Now, a lot of folks are suggesting
 that this is the president of Apple's--
 - Legacy product.
 - Right.
 - Like when Steve Jobs announced the iPhone,
 that was kind of his last big moment as the leader.
 - That's right.
 - Yeah, and Tim, well, this is a big breakthrough
 in terms of the shift of people using phones
 to people using glasses as the interface.
 - Well, this isn't exactly glasses.
 This is really--
 - Well, it ultimately--
 - It's bigger than ski goggles.
 - Yeah, it's ski goggles, but it's coming down in size,
 it's going to get smaller and smaller
 until it's really aesthetic and a pair of smart glasses.
 - Right.
 - That's the direction it's heading.
 You know, we saw that in the movie Brainstorms
 when they were trying to perfect the cyber helmet
 and the scientists would work on it
 and then Natalie Wood would take this thing
 that looked like a bunch of wires plugged together
 and it had power to cut away and slim it down
 to a nice headset, putting everything in place
 after the wiring has been figured out.
 And then it sucked her soul into the bubbles of infinity.
 - Well, that's when you die with the headset on.
 (laughing)
 That's it, you know, that's the Brainstorm movie.
 - You're laughing at this. - Her last film,
 before she actually died, you know,
 she actually did die.
 The Robert Wagner episode.
 - Yeah, right.
 - Yeah.
 - I know, it was an epic moment, legendary.
 We don't think the Apple Vision Pro
 is going to do that to anybody.
 - No.
 No.
 (laughing)
 - Will it be a success?
 - No, it seems cool.
 VR is cool.
 It's cool and it's kind of getting better all the time.
 In our lifetime, we've gone from where computers
 didn't even exist or if they existed,
 they weren't in the hands of regular people.
 - Yeah.
 - And we've watched computer literacy grow into
 the revolutions that have changed our society
 into this little emerging evolutionary creativity pool
 that we experienced today.
 - Yeah, I'm going to keep making it more creative.
 And no one knows for sure exactly what that looks like
 in terms of the hardware yet.
 The slav of glass in our pocket seems to work pretty well.
 Two thirds of the population of our species
 seems to gravitate towards it, no problem.
 A third that I might say includes you, Mrs. Future.
 - Now, in case you don't--
 - Don't-- - Don't--
 - You can't decode the language.
 - Slav of glass in your pocket.
 - He's talking about the smartphone.
 - The smartphone.
 - And the evolution of the smartphone
 into glasses.
 - The propaganda of the world would have you believe
 that people are addicted to their smartphones,
 but they do not take into account people like me
 who are not addicted to our smartphone.
 - Yeah.
 - I am addicted to Alan's smartphone
 because I don't like to worry about where mine is.
 (laughs)
 - She says that's me.
 - Yeah, and I either ask you or I ask Alexa.
 Alexa's also very good for answering questions, right?
 On duty.
 - Yeah, all the time.
 Sometimes I ask Siri, I have a lot of help if I need it
 and I don't have to carry a slab of glass
 in my non-existent pockets.
 It always comes down to pockets.
 - That's true, women don't have pockets on their clothes.
 It's like, oh, did they deal with the technology?
 - In cold weather, I will have pockets in my coat.
 So I'm a little more likely to have my phone
 somewhere near me in winter.
 (laughs)
 But that's not sand much.
 - Well, I guess I would have freaked out more.
 - You did, you were freaking out for me.
 - Yeah, the context here is that about three parties ago
 Mrs. Future left her phone at a party.
 - Right, and I even went back realizing
 as we were driving away that I didn't have it,
 I went back in to get it before we drove too far away
 and I grabbed my bag, where I always keep it.
 You know, my artificial pocket, I was like,
 okay, glad I didn't forget that.
 Whew, walked out to the car, woke up the next morning
 to realize it wasn't there in that bag.
 It had been left sitting out somewhere.
 - Somewhere in the couch where you were sitting at it.
 - That must have been consulting it.
 - Anyway, our hostess has charged it for you.
 - I know, thank you, Nora.
 Appreciate you taking good care of me.
 I'm sorry that we, it's so annoying
 when you're the host of a party and people leave their stuff
 and you have to figure out how to get it back to them
 and especially if you don't feel like you want to be tied
 to your iPhone or to an appointment
 and you have to depend on serendipity.
 - Yeah, and I know that's how Nora feels.
 She's kind of like, she hosted the party
 that should be enough but then babysitting people's stuff
 afterwards is just too much.
 - Yeah, no, I'm great.
 But it's a host job to have a lost and found.
 We'll have to do it.
 It's the chop wood carry water part of being a host.
 - Right, right.
 - Austin found part.
 - Yeah, but I want to reassure her that you are the one
 who is freaking out about it, not me.
 - Well, it's because if I left my phone like three parties
 that's like an eternity, okay?
 - Well, we have backup devices.
 - You know how many invitations, how many requests
 I have done since three days ago?
 - Countless.
 I can't even begin.
 - Well, me too.
 I just used my iPad.
 That's what I'm saying.
 I'm very comfortable device hopping.
 - Well, I guess when I think about it,
 the phone part of it is more incidental than it used to be.
 - Yeah, and it's really easy.
 Like if you need to make a phone call, pretty much
 anybody in the room has a phone.
 And you can ask them to text for you.
 It's like social media.
 It's not that you have fewer resources.
 You have more all the time.
 You just have to know what it is that you want
 and request it with clarity.
 - Well, I want to think about it.
 I feel if I lost my phone, my iPad,
 I would be happy I had that.
 That's true, that's true.
 And most of the things I do would probably
 could be done on that.
 - Oh, honey, you're making a breakthrough.
 You're getting a little less anxious
 about losing your phone.
 - Yeah, options exist.
 - What do they call it?
 - If you're leaving phone online.
 - If you're separating anxiety,
 it is getting a little therapy here.
 - Yeah, no, I've had these supernatural fears
 that if I lost my phone, something serious could happen
 and I would be really--
 - Missing out.
 - Oh.
 - You wouldn't know about it.
 - I don't know why.
 It's a deep almost.
 I just shouldn't do that.
 - Do you think something happened in the past
 that like traumatized you?
 - Well, I lost something that was important
 and it was part of me that I carried all the time
 and then suddenly I didn't have it.
 And the situation where I needed it,
 I guess weapons often fit in that category, knives,
 probably cameras and now phones.
 Yeah, something that's close to you.
 - I will stay tuned folks.
 If maybe Alan will get a little hypnotherapy
 and we'll find that he had an alien encounter
 and had something removed that he wishes he still had.
 Who knows?
 - Or today, you lose your wallet, you freak out.
 What if you lost your wallet and you didn't care?
 - No.
 - Ever since the wallet went into the phone.
 - The wallet went into the phone.
 - It's so easy.
 - The phone's gone a well.
 - You know, we're getting to a point
 where if you know who you are
 and if the AIs know who you are, you're covered.
 - Yeah, it's true.
 - We're gonna pass through this period.
 This is the growth pains.
 This is just learning to exist in a highly technical world
 where lots of devices have been deployed
 to make our lives better, not worse.
 - Okay, okay, I'm igniting my inner healing power now.
 (bells ringing)
 - Yeah.
 - Oh, I'm so glad we could use this experience that way.
 - Thank you.
 - Sure.
 (laughs)
 - In the end of this, I want to play you folks a stanza
 or two from a song we did with Richard Kray
 on this topic of the Apple Vich Pro.
 - Oh, we did it to the Apple Vich Pro.
 - Thank you Richard.
 - First. - Hope you're listening.
 - Yeah, this was an experiment with prompting.
 (piano music)
 - Okay, do you want to read the prompt?
 - Actually, this is the prompt.
 - This is the prompt.
 - The prompt is write a song using the lyrics of dream,
 a little dream with the subject focused
 on the new Apple Vich Pro spatial computing.
 - Computing.
 - Spatial computing headset, okay.
 - So the descriptive prompt generated these lyrics
 to the tune, "Dream a Little Dream," and here it is.
 Okay, here we go.
 ♪ Put your headset on to create a dream ♪
 ♪ Of a world that's not quite what it seems ♪
 ♪ Where virtual and physical worlds collide ♪
 ♪ Let the Apple Vich Pro be your guide ♪
 ♪ With my AR headset I can navigate ♪
 ♪ Waving my hands and eyes to go and create ♪
 ♪ I can browse my apps with just a pinch ♪
 ♪ And make my content it's such a sing ♪
 ♪ O Apple Vich Pro take me away ♪
 ♪ To a world where I can work and play ♪
 ♪ With your 14 cameras and sensors so bright ♪
 ♪ Where the world appears in a whole new light ♪
 ♪ The era of spatial computing is here ♪
 ♪ And Apple Vich Pro is crystal clear ♪
 ♪ With 3D enhancing my view ♪
 ♪ I'll go places I never knew ♪
 - Dada, and we have had more stanzas,
 but isn't that fun?
 - Thank you, Richard.
 - Thanks, Richard.
 - He's listening.
 - That's great.
 - I guess we're gonna get a comment from him.
 - That was a fun crit.
 - That was a fun crit.
 - That was a fun crit.
 - That was a fun crit.
 - Yeah, and didn't you guys, well, let's see.
 Did you use the AI to help generate that?
 That was another experiment, right?
 - Yeah, well, that's what we did.
 - We talked about it at the very beginning of this piece.
 It was about putting in the right prompt
 to get the words that would work for us, you know,
 with the rhythm.
 - Right, okay.
 And according to Richard, the uncanny valley is on
 the top 10 on Billboard.
 - Is that a song?
 - Richard, does that just sound a little?
 - Yeah, I just sent us a link, Richard.
 I'm not quite sure.
 - Yeah, I don't even know what the uncanny valley is.
 - I mean, I know what the uncanny valley is, but I know
 that some song co-opted that word, that combination of words.
 - I think that's the other AI lyrics that you guys did.
 - Uncanny valley song.
 - Yeah, we did.
 - Yeah, we did.
 - You know where that one is?
 - We could play that one too.
 - Well, well, well, well, well, well, that's on another computer.
 - All right, well, what we have to do right now is
 take a little Santa Cruz voice sponsor break.
 - Okay.
 - Okay, everybody ready?
 And then we'll be back with more post Christmas cheer.
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 ♪♪
 - Okay, welcome back to the show.
 I didn't have a chance last week to talk a little bit about that new Tesla robot.
 - He didn't.
 - No, I didn't have a good one.
 - Yeah, more to say about Tesla robot.
 - A little bit more to say about that.
 They released their next generation robot that looks like a human.
 It's called "Neptomus Gen 2."
 It's a humanoid robot or the android, if you will.
 - Yeah.
 - And it's lighter, it's faster, it's smoother, and it's more capable.
 And if you saw it on this week tonight, I think with John Oliver, it's a guy in a--
 - Last week tonight, it's his shit.
 - Last week tonight, last week tonight.
 It's a guy in a suit.
 [laughter]
 - That was Gen 0.
 - That's true.
 That's right.
 You know, I put it out there as a real actor.
 - Yeah, when they first started making robots, their initial development demo was a dancer in a robot suit.
 - Tensor and spandex.
 - Classic.
 - And John Oliver really caught it.
 It was really fun.
 - So "Optomus Gen 2" is the second generation of Tesla's humanoid robots designed to be
 an all-purpose machine.
 And so what does that mean?
 All-purpose.
 General purpose.
 - It'll change diapers?
 - General purpose.
 Well, they say various domains, which doesn't say anything either, but more specifically,
 manufacturing.
 And we all know robots do manufacturing, okay?
 Construction.
 Well, yeah, that's pretty dangerous stuff.
 Construction.
 Yeah, I can see robots doing that.
 Health care?
 Well, they can take over things where humans get hurt, right?
 - Right.
 - Right.
 - When they were building--
 - I didn't even health care for that.
 - That was-- that was construction.
 Getting hurt.
 Health care is where they're being--
 - They're already hurt, and they need help getting in and out of bed and in and out of therapies.
 - Yes, I would-- health care.
 - I would not want my robot giving me injections, for example.
 That would be a little scary.
 But I could see them feeding me.
 - What would they be feeding you?
 - My food, whatever I want.
 As I said in previous shows, if I were watching a game and I want a beer, they would get me
 that.
 - Oh, kind of like the way people used to train their dogs.
 - What?
 - You'd train your robot.
 - Hopefully.
 - Yeah, after me is, go fetch a beer.
 - Hopefully my dog-- my robot will give me more servers than my dog.
 - Oh, actually, you'll probably train your robot to hang out with your dog.
 - Yeah, yeah.
 I would say that when I'm not using the robot, it can hang out with the dog and maybe teach it a few things,
 or the dog could teach it a few things.
 - I think the robot's could teach it.
 - You think the robot is waterproof?
 - I'm sure we might end up in problems if the dog decides to take it for a run into the ocean.
 And the robot is on follow mode.
 That would not be good.
 - Well, I wonder if a robot could train a dog, like potty train a dog, or if a dog would think of it as a fire hydrant.
 - No, I think the dog would treat it with respect if robots started, if Optimus started feeding the dog.
 - What?
 - Well, some of the new dog toys have little feeder tubes where the dog does the right thing.
 The little dog toy will squirt out the power--
 - Oh, yeah, I know what you're going to do.
 You're going to train Optimus to come up with games that will make the dog smarter.
 - Of course.
 - Of course, yeah.
 - Okay.
 - Yeah.
 - All right.
 - So I was thinking that one of the situations we have out here is it could be dire.
 Hopefully we don't get to experience it personally, but if we did, it would be probably something like an
 earthquake.
 - Okay.
 - Yeah.
 - And earthquakes could create rubble.
 Buildings have fell down and people get buried in the rubble.
 So imagine that situation like that and you have a trained dog and robot at your command, and you were all in first responder mode.
 - We escaped the rubble, right?
 - Yeah, we're outside of the rubble.
 We are the first responders, and we've got to rescue people in the rubble.
 So I--
 - I have a robot and a trained dog.
 - Yeah, and I also have a robot ball, a little tiny ball that the robot controls, and this ball, it can throw into the rubble, and it's small enough to go between the bricks and the rocks and the wiring and listen and have sensors inside this little ball that will be listening for breath, heartbeat, signs of life.
 - Right.
 So the things that they're trying to get dogs to do now.
 - Yeah, and the dogs can do that, but they can only go so far.
 They can't go into the rubble.
 - And it's dangerous for dogs.
 - The robots could go into the rubble.
 - Sure, and you could have a whole bunch of these little balls.
 - Yeah, and then these balls could, when they detect some, they could put out a special sound, a hypersonic squeal that could be heard by the dogs.
 - Right.
 - Right, and the robots.
 - Over here.
 - And they would notify the robots, and the robots would go lift up the stuff out of the way to help rescue, and if it needs human help, it will then call for a human to come in.
 So it would be a combination of robot ball, dog, robot, human in that order.
 You see?
 And then you don't like that idea?
 - No, I was just trying to come up with a good noise for the people to be hearing from the robot.
 - Oh, yeah, okay.
 Sorry.
 - Over here.
 - Right.
 - My fear of my ideas being rejected.
 - Yeah, you're a little touchy.
 I'm trying to make it better.
 - That's good.
 Okay, yeah, okay.
 That would be where maybe the robot would put out that sound.
 - Here, we'll try a different sound.
 Maybe this one will sound better.
 - No, not quite.
 - No, that's what the robot ball and the dog would be listing for.
 - Oh, that means all clear.
 - That would be listing for that.
 - We didn't find anything.
 - They'd be listing for that for...
 - Scratch.
 - That would be a sign of life.
 - That would?
 - Yeah.
 - This one?
 That's a scratch.
 - Oh.
 - I think that's a no bueno.
 - No, I thought that was something else.
 - How about this one?
 That's what we're after.
 Okay, so if they find someone breathing, then they make this noise.
 That's pretty positive.
 - Yeah, that's positive.
 You found them.
 Maybe that should be saved for the sound that you play when you rescued.
 - Rescue them.
 Okay, so we're still looking for the sound when you find them.
 How about this one?
 - That's if they're dead.
 - Oh, don't say that.
 No.
 No.
 No.
 That's...
 Sorry.
 - Yeah, take that back.
 - Take that back.
 Scratch.
 Okay, here's another option.
 Oh, that's a good one.
 If you found...
 If you just very faint signs of life, crickets.
 - Crickets.
 - Usually that means that people didn't applaud loud enough.
 But in this case, it means, hey, we have a hope.
 - Yes.
 - There's something over here.
 - Three crickets.
 20 meters down.
 - Okay, I think we got the right program here.
 All right, so this is...
 We found something and this is...
 We're giving up.
 - Yeah.
 - And this is...
 Hooray!
 We got them.
 They're saved.
 And then what about this one?
 - Yeah.
 - Out of here.
 We did it.
 Next.
 - Yeah, this is working out the sound effects for the...
 - Now we have to label the buttons, otherwise I'll never remember.
 - Yeah, well, I think what we need to do is make a little text-to-video demonstrating this idea.
 - Oh, yeah.
 - Tutorial.
 Repetition helps.
 - Yeah, a little short, a little help-it-be-in-my-brain instead of just randomly...
 - Ten-minute movie.
 - I think anything longer...
 - A tutorial.
 - Yeah, tutorial on...
 - Okay.
 - The Optimus Gen 2...
 - Robot Gen 9.
 - Human dynamic.
 - Rescue tutorial.
 - Yeah, and that's just one scenario.
 I mean, I...
 - Yeah, we didn't even talk about the Optimus throwing the ball.
 I mean, that's a whole thing.
 - That's true.
 And also the robot...
 - Maybe there's a sound effect for that.
 - Okay, no.
 - Yeah, the Optimus probably liked it if people applaud them while they're doing stuff, right?
 - Yeah.
 - Now, applause is good.
 - applause is good if he does something right, right?
 But hold the sound effects in place.
 - Okay, I'm ten.
 - Yeah, thanks.
 I like sound effects.
 Don't get me wrong, but their proper application of them is key for me.
 - I thought you liked learning online.
 - I do, but I also don't want to be critical unnecessarily.
 It sounds like a...
 - Oh, I see.
 - I'm trying to be nice about it.
 - Oh, am I going too far?
 - Well, it's kind of like using too many fonts in a document.
 - Oh, okay.
 Okay.
 I think we could get a vote.
 I think those sound effects worked pretty well for our purposes here.
 - Yeah, I think it wasn't really a waste of time.
 - No, there's just one stinker there.
 That's it.
 They're pretty good.
 - Which one was the stinker again?
 - No, don't go there.
 - No, don't go there.
 - No, please.
 I don't want any applause right now.
 - No problem.
 No problem.
 No applause for you.
 - Just give me the facts.
 The facts here, the robot stands 5'11", 5'11", 121 pounds.
 Can you imagine that?
 121 pounds, why?
 I'm 5'11".
 - Right.
 So it's a skinny one.
 - It's 22 pounds lighter than the previous version.
 And here's an interesting fact.
 It can run at 5 miles an hour.
 - Wait, it's 122 pounds lighter or it's 122 pounds total?
 - It's 121 pounds and it's 22 pounds lighter than the Virgin A.
 - Wow.
 - Okay.
 - That's a sleek robot.
 - It's lighter.
 It's faster.
 It can run at speeds of 5 miles an hour.
 That's 30% faster than before.
 - Okay, so it's not going to be able to escape you if you want to play tag.
 - Well, I can run 5 miles an hour.
 - For a minute.
 For a little while.
 - Yeah.
 - No, if you could run 5 miles an hour for an hour, it would get me.
 - How long did the batteries last?
 Come on.
 - No, no, the batteries are the key.
 That's true.
 That's true.
 - But the batteries yet an optimist has 35 degrees of freedom.
 Now, what does that mean?
 35 degrees of freedom has joints.
 It can move joints in various directions.
 - Yeah, maybe they're talking about it's got head on a neck.
 - Yeah.
 - So that goes in one direction and then it has an elbow and it has a wrist and it has
 five fingers that have articulated joints.
 It has knees.
 It has hips.
 - They say it's more human-like and appearance.
 - And it has ankles.
 - And it looks like it's movement.
 It's more human-like.
 - Yeah, it looks like it has a lower back that it could swivel around too.
 - And the only problem is that I've heard this before is that it's moving around.
 It kind of looks a little stiff.
 It kind of looks like it's holding a load, if you know what I mean.
 - That's how they've been screaming.
 It needs to hit the bathroom soon.
 - It's kind of way far away.
 - It's the optimist.
 Go please, please.
 - Come back in the book.
 - Come back when you're more relaxed.
 - It's also got new hands, feet, neck and body.
 It sounds good.
 They say the hands have 11 degrees of freedom and they have tactile sensors in the hands.
 - Tactile sensors.
 - Tactile means they can tell soft and hard and what else, maybe wet, hot.
 - They can pick up a ball.
 They were showing it breaking an egg, I believe.
 - Not breaking an egg, holding an egg.
 - Holding an egg.
 - Picking it up.
 - And showing that they could tell how to hold it so they could lift it without breaking it,
 which that's an accomplishment for a thing like a robot.
 - Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
 The 11 degrees of freedom in the hand with tactile sensors, faster actuators.
 It means they can move more quickly, both fingers in and out, up and down, manipulating objects
 with a little bit more precision and dexterity.
 The faster actuators, they say it has more of a natural human-looking shape.
 It also has something called force or torque sensors.
 I wonder what those are used for.
 - Handshakes.
 - Torque sensors.
 - It'll shake your hand without breaking it.
 - Oh yeah, you know, squeeze your hand.
 - Yeah, it's probably safer to shake hands than with you.
 - Yeah, as long as it doesn't have one of those electric buzzers in the hand, I'd be hot.
 This would be the actual kind of creature that would probably use one just to try to inject
 a little bit of sense of humor in its interactions.
 - Maybe.
 Although, since it is meant to be used in therapeutic professions, maybe it'll be a really good
 masseuse.
 That would make it popular.
 - That would be different kind of tools than hands per se.
 - Are you kidding?
 - Hands are great tools for a masseuse, honey.
 That's what the massage chairs try to emulate, its hands.
 Having strong hands that know how to tune into muscles.
 - I know what you mean, I know what you mean, but I was thinking that, yeah, a lot of
 massage can be done with hands for sure, a lot of good massage.
 - Yeah, but they might not be able to figure out where to apply the pressure.
 - Yeah, there are other forms that could be specifically great for lower back, for example.
 - Mm-hmm.
 - I mean--
 - I think the Japanese are really ahead of the game on those massage chairs, where they
 tune into just different parts of your body and they can tell, or they have developed the
 technology to massage that area.
 The hands are a great start.
 They're a general purpose massage tool, but they could also have built-in rollers maybe.
 - Mm-hmm.
 Well, now you're talking about massage tools.
 - Yeah, massage tools.
 - Are you saying that robots should have built-in rollers?
 - Well, or a massage kit in which optimists could do massages if it gets the massage option kit.
 - There you go.
 - You know.
 - I'd like my optimist to have the massage hands, please.
 - Yeah, yeah, I can take off hands and put on other things that would be more useful for
 the massage at hand.
 Or not at hand, I guess, in this case.
 Yeah, yeah, I want my pulsating roller.
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 - Attachment.
 - All right, since a million dollar idea is here, babe.
 - The other thing is that it has got two degrees of freedom and it can tilt and rotate its head.
 And they say that that gives it more expressiveness in.
 - Yeah, it has the right to say no.
 It can say yes and no.
 - And no.
 - No, and maybe.
 - Yeah, well, actually, I probably can't say maybe.
 - You don't think so?
 - How do you do it, say maybe?
 - I don't know, if I was going to say I do a yes, then I do followed quickly by a no,
 and then maybe moving the head around in a circle.
 [LAUGHTER]
 - That would be amazing.
 - Next time you want to communicate, maybe to me, I want to see you do that.
 Of course, I've never, ever seen you say maybe.
 - Do a circle.
 - I'll be waiting a lot.
 - Try it, try it.
 - Try it.
 Yes, no, circle.
 - Okay, yes, no, circle.
 That means maybe.
 That's a long word in that.
 - It's too long to say maybe.
 - We should have a shorter, maybe just the circle.
 [LAUGHTER]
 - Yes, circle first.
 - Yeah.
 - Well, that's how I was thinking.
 I was thinking there's a Hindi expression where they kind of look cute or they waggled their
 head back and forth, and I think that means.
 - Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
 - That means yes, right?
 That means sure.
 I think it means that.
 - So maybe some of those expressions are already being used in India.
 - Yeah.
 - We can apply them here.
 - Right.
 - To apply them to the wrong language.
 - The gesture language.
 - It comes with a Hindi gesture language.
 - Yeah, we're already turning optimists into C3PO, coming up with languages.
 - You speak 135 languages.
 - 135,000.
 - Oh, 135,000 languages.
 - 135 dialects in each.
 - I have the known universe.
 - Yes.
 - And that would be normal.
 Now I can see that because look at what our phones can do.
 - All right.
 - Yeah, Google Translate has changed the world.
 You don't feel so afraid to go to a country where they don't speak your language.
 - That's right.
 - Because you have some way of getting your thoughts translated.
 - Okay, so why is this important right now?
 - What is?
 - But to find out the answer to that, we went to Fox News, where they had this remarkable
 article all about this.
 So why is it important right now?
 According to Fox News, Optimus Gen 2 is a remarkable achievement for Tesla and the field
 of robotics in general.
 It demonstrates the rapid progress and innovation that Tesla has made in developing humanoid
 machines that can rival or surpass human capabilities.
 - Oh, now they're just trying to yank our chain.
 - Oh, here's the part where they really want you to embrace it.
 The robot also shows the potential of humanoid robots to become a part of our society and
 economy as they perform tasks that are dangerous, dull or difficult for humans or things we
 don't want to do.
 - Right.
 - Would you add that with things that I'd rather you do than me?
 - That's a derating for this robot.
 These robots can do danger, dull or difficult.
 - Danger, dull, difficult.
 But they can't do fun, fabulous or fanciful.
 - I would have difficulty with dull.
 - If you were a robot.
 - Yeah.
 - Oh, that was a true question.
 - No, it's a robot.
 No.
 I'd then be considered stupid.
 And that's when I get dangerous.
 Okay, so dangers, dull and difficult, those are the things that they are selling it on
 till initially.
 - And you say they have an edge?
 - They have an edge, yeah.
 - What's their edge?
 - Well, of course, they have Tesla, right?
 Tesla has all these robot factories already in place, creating a...
 - Oh, so we can have more of them sooner.
 - Because they're electric vehicles, these are electric vehicles, and they run on batteries.
 These run on batteries.
 - Are they making the world safer for humanity?
 - Well, remember the three things.
 Dangerous, dull and difficult.
 - Oh, okay, so they'll replace the dangerous, dull or difficult jobs that humans have to
 put up with.
 - That's right.
 That's right.
 Comedy would be good, too.
 - I think that's a far cry.
 - No, no, no, look, you know, John Oliver got that.
 He saw him doing some breakdancing in front of you.
 He could be as entertaining as watching television.
 - Sure.
 - Yeah, I like dancing robots.
 - What if you tell the robot to do the siwilikou from Shakespeare Play, just for a moment, and
 it would generate the music and it would do it live in front of you.
 - Sounds like a hoot.
 - You could tell it to use different voices or play several voices one after the other.
 - We're going seriously deep in nerdvana here, Doug.
 - I'm saying, you know, it can do that.
 Right now, we do that all the time.
 We call up siwilikouis on our phone and look at the words and why not just tell the robot
 to do it.
 I don't see that as much of a leap.
 It'll probably happen pretty fast.
 Now, what I would worry about is that the robot using autopilot.
 - Everybody's worried about autopilot.
 - Robots, humans, cars themselves.
 - Yes.
 - Autopilot is very concerning.
 - I might trust the robot if it was driving a Tesla, but if I told the robot to drive my
 BMW, I don't know.
 - Drive it right over a cliff.
 - Yeah, might not like my car.
 - Oh, you think robot rivalry is going to be one thing we have to worry about.
 - You know, robots are tabularasa.
 They're wide open to our input.
 And if we imbue them with rivalrous notions, then they will do that.
 - No, actually, I don't think it'll be rivalry.
 It's just basic issues around artificial intelligence being dumb.
 Right?
 They just won't know how to do it right, so they'll do it wrong.
 It's no rivalry required.
 - Well, how do you correct a wrong with a robot?
 Do you use punishment?
 Do you use rewards?
 What do you do?
 - Ooh.
 - Do not use either.
 - I'm trying to tell you, darling.
 - Just change the program.
 Just update their code and don't even ask them.
 - Hmm, sounds like you've really thought about this a lot.
 - No, no, just a little.
 Just a little.
 I'd like to think about it more though, because it's an important issue.
 I had to teach a robot right and wrong and right from wrong, especially when it has
 -- when it's already thinking in multiple contextual referencing systems and languages.
 It can get very confusing even for a robot.
 - I'd say if we can't figure it out for humans, it's way less likely we'll figure it out
 for a robot.
 - If you have one in England, it would have a different rule set than one in the US or
 Russia.
 The rule structures in these cultures can be radically different on Iranian robot.
 - All right, well, now you're really getting out there.
 - A Texan one carrying weapons.
 Anyway, there's a lot of individuation that'll come up.
 - As many as there are people.
 - Yeah.
 So, Optimus Gen 2.
 Now, how much are these going to cost?
 - I think it's not going to be cheap initially.
 They're not saying right here, but I would hazard a quarter of a million dollars, something
 like that.
 - Maybe you should ask Google if -- because it seems to me that Elon has mentioned how
 much they want to try and sell them.
 - Well, they want to get them down to 20,000.
 - Oh, there you go.
 - They want to get them down ultimately to 20,000.
 But it's like it's in the R&D development phase right now.
 - Right.
 - So, they're really expensive.
 Remember, if you have one, you're going to be in that club that develops how these things
 are going to work in society.
 We don't really know.
 We're speculating right now about all this stuff.
 And actually, what happens when a robot is integrated into your family when it becomes
 part of the fabric of your day-to-day life?
 - Yeah, there's some good movies about that.
 - Yeah, people have guessed about this forever.
 And we now actually get to live it.
 That's the exciting part about it.
 So, humanoid robot, that's the thing.
 Why are they being made to look like humans?
 And part of it is that because they want to live in the habitat that we inhabit.
 And if you have the same kind of body as we have, then you're more likely to want the
 same kind of habitat.
 Yeah, sorry, that's fun.
 That's coming this year too.
 You're going to start seeing more of these in civilization, just like you're studying
 to see more cyber trucks out there on the streets.
 - Well, I predict you're going to get an Apple Vision Pro before you get an Optimus
 Gen anything.
 - You think?
 - Yeah.
 - Just saying, in terms of innovation coming down the pipeline, Vision Pro is a little
 closer to home.
 - Well, it's $5,000 as opposed to...
 - No, not just the price tag, but just the actual...
 - Yeah, probably so.
 - Relivates to our stage of learning.
 - Apple Vision Pro coming out next month, I could say yes to them.
 No.
 Tesla robot?
 Probably maybe this time next year, maybe.
 - We've been seeing Tesla wall for a long time.
 Still waiting.
 (laughs)
 - Living off the grid with our old-fashioned lead acid batteries.
 So once you solve your technological problem, you don't necessarily sign up for the glitziest
 new-fangled solution.
 - I like to think about it.
 - Kind of go with what already works.
 - I like to think about it.
 I'm like, I saw this other piece this week about how robots are completely running a
 restaurant.
 - Oh yeah, you got that one.
 - Yeah, they're just robots in a restaurant.
 That sounds like snakes on a plane.
 - Okay.
 - Oh come on, this is future.
 - I'm sorry, just free association.
 Anyway, so tell us about robots running restaurants.
 We'll have alliteration in the show today.
 - Yeah, this might be our last story today before our guest comes on, but let's try
 to get it in.
 This first restaurant is a burger and fries place, and it's coming to California, of
 course, and it's called the Kali Express.
 - Like California Express.
 - Right, as opposed to Express, which is an online recreational weed service.
 - Okay.
 - They spelled it a little differently.
 - All right, Kali Express.
 - Kali Express in Pasadena.
 - They're going to be the first operating restaurant where you can order and every single cooking
 process is fully robitized.
 - As long as you order a burger and fries.
 - Well, it's got a limited menu, but it only has two robots.
 It has burger bot and flippy, burger bot and flippy, and they're made by miso robotics.
 They're your chefs behind your burger.
 - Okay, miso robotics.
 - Yes, they have an arm and a sensor.
 - Me so robotic.
 - Yeah, these are non-androids, but they do have an arm and they have a sensor system
 that cooks your food at your request.
 So you can do medium rare.
 You can do double.
 You can create different parts of the menu, different one.
 The flippy is groundbreaking in that it fries items from French fries to chicken nuggets.
 - It knows how to flip the fry basket.
 - Yeah, it's really good.
 It can work alongside people.
 So people can be there to make sure that they're doing it right.
 - Not going crazy.
 - And the quality consistency.
 - Mm-hmm.
 - Yeah, miso robotics.
 - Okay.
 - And you don't have to pay them 20 bucks an hour.
 - No, you just have to pay $250,000 once.
 - No, they're not that expensive.
 So they're having customers also order by what they call pop ID stations.
 And this is a little station, I guess, at your table where you set up a profile that
 has a picture of you and your loyalty and your payment information stored.
 And you can just go up and show your face and just order.
 And it'll know who you are and how to bill it.
 - Oh, it's going to be really nice when your table looks at you and says, "Face not recognized."
 Sorry, you're not serving you.
 - Oh, well, then you have to know your passcode.
 There's always that just to these things.
 - Why does every table have to have your profile?
 See, this is so weird that we're moving into this slaves of the machine mentality where
 we're not free, but they are.
 - Mrs. Fuchs, you're seeing it the opposite of what it is.
 - I know.
 - I know you, free you from having to pull out a card or your wallet.
 - No, they're freeing somebody who's existing in a profile in their machine and everybody
 else is excluded.
 That's not freedom.
 Nature's not like that.
 Nature doesn't exclude anybody and wait for their profile.
 - I begged to differ.
 I think nature, the things look like.
 Membrane technology, it's allowing very specific molecules through the membrane, not all of
 them.
 Every place, things are being allowed and things are being kept back.
 - I don't know.
 So I think you should really try and squeeze in that other robot article here.
 I mean that other restaurant article about the Karen restaurants because I think that's
 a little more indicative of where humans want to take this technology.
 - Well, maybe they might want to yell at the robot.
 - Yeah, yeah, come on.
 You got two minutes, don't you?
 - Please, please tell people about the Karen restaurant.
 - Okay, well the Karen restaurants were restaurants that people-
 - They're opening in Australia.
 - Yeah, they're Australian restaurants that people are thinking, well, what would they
 fly in America?
 - You gotta go to your links.
 - They're saying this is what people really want.
 They don't want robots.
 They want people to insult them.
 - So Karen's diner trains people to offend the customers.
 So we've got robots that are going to be not serving you unless you got a profile.
 And the humans who are going to be on call to help you are being trained to offend the
 customers.
 - Yeah, and Karen's restaurant, you can call people names.
 You can call a customer like a stupid prick, whether they deserve it or not.
 In fact, it's encouraged.
 And this is an Australian company.
 It's sassy service, feeling jealous of the servers, abusing diners in countless ways.
 Crazy, crazed of rude, rude food palace.
 - Rude food.
 - Yeah.
 - So we're going to turn over the jobs to the robots and then we're going to take the servers
 and make them rude.
 What is going on with the inventors of our future society?
 - No, these are people.
 They're doing this.
 This being rude and being insulting to us has become a big thing.
 Maybe the robots should be.
 - 30 seconds until we're not live.
 - All right, we're going to have some predictions.
 We're going to have some predictions for next year coming up with Henry Seltzer.
 - Henry Seltzer, one of our favorite.
 - Same astrologer.
 - Scientists of the sky.
 - We'll be right back.
 - We're back after this little break.
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 - Welcome back to this beautiful holiday season.
 We have been to just one wonderful gathering after another, two gatherings of friends
 and one family and every one of them has been a joy to talk to people, hang out with people,
 just fascinating conversations all around for us.
 - Yeah, and I think that Steve Martin captured it.
 It's a very strange Christmas in that many people were kind of canceled and sometimes
 people were not that comfortable singing traditional Christmas songs and it was a little hard to
 feel cheerful and yet people were very much appreciative of each other and being together
 and I think we all felt like it's very important to show up and affirm the values of our humanity
 and our community and you know, that's important to us.
 - An interesting connection also.
 Last week we had Michael Mercury on, our astrologer friend up in Sacramento and he mentioned
 an astrologer down here that he is like an admirer of and admirer and to some extent
 a mentor to him.
 Henry Seltzer who's written several books in astrology and also has a background in training
 in science.
 Henry's our guest today and Henry is a graduate degree in linguistics and studied computer
 science and attended MIT as an undergraduate.
 His real passion seems to be astrology and the tarot.
 So it's interesting there's science and art.
 That is so age of Aquarius where science meet art.
 - And also Jungian psychological interest in the symbolism of Jung the collective unconscious
 understandings that he brings to the human psyche.
 So welcome Henry to the show.
 We're looking forward to chatting with you.
 - That sounds great.
 - Yeah.
 - And we met at the second friends gathering this week.
 - Yeah, we ran into each other.
 I mean we met years ago when we were all involved in what is erotic, right?
 That was I think the first time I remember connecting with you Henry, you were being interviewed
 by Laura Bishop.
 - I met Alan at Burning Man.
 - Oh really?
 - For the first time I knew about Alan.
 - Burning Man.
 Burning Man.
 - Burning Man connection.
 That's cool.
 - I remember.
 - But he was 2013.
 - 2013.
 Oh man, that was in a year.
 That was the spaceship.
 The spaceship.
 - Yeah.
 - And I also remember talking to you when you definitely got the impression I could have
 was in 2016 that Trump was going to win the elections and that you had a sense that that
 was what was going to happen.
 - In 2016 when he did.
 - I was shocked.
 I was so shocked when, you know, they had a panel of seven astrologers that summer predicting
 the election that every single one said Hillary Clinton because nobody could even believe
 that it was possible that Trump could be considered as a viable candidate, you know, and
 they even thought that the Electoral College was going to be a way to filter him out, you
 know, which was.
 - Well, they still tryin'.
 They're still tryin' them.
 - The odds were not for that horse.
 But nonetheless.
 Yeah.
 Do you remember what it was that suggested to you that this might be the case?
 Was it an unusual configuration of some sort?
 - No, I don't remember.
 I think you might be conflating astrologers together that somebody else might have said
 that.
 I don't know.
 - Yeah.
 Okay.
 Now I remember it was definitely at a party.
 There was a prediction that we wouldn't know the results of the election until weeks.
 And I understood that one.
 That was 'cause of Mercury.
 Mercury turned retrograde and then turned back to direct just as the polls closed.
 Somebody became famous for saying, "We won't know the results of this election for weeks
 and indeed we did not."
 I'll tell you what I did predict.
 I predicted that Trump would lose the election and not step down.
 I predicted that in January of 2020.
 - Oh, well.
 Bill Maher predicted that many years ahead of you.
 But I'm glad it was also written in the stars.
 - That's right.
 - Was that the stars are in the Jungian psychology of looking at Trump?
 - Actually, it was what happened in January 2020.
 A bunch of astrologers at the New Living Expo in Los Angeles were saying various things.
 And I knew that there was a big Jupiter, there are triple conjunction of Jupiter and
 Pluto and Saturn that was coming in November 15th.
 And I figured if that's the crisis, it's after the election.
 That was my clue.
 So I said, "Well, Trump will lose the election, but he won't step down and it'll be a crisis."
 - Yes, I had in the stars.
 Wow.
 - That was then.
 - Let's move out of the murky darkness of the past.
 And let's think about what is ahead of us.
 Mercury was talking about some of the alignments that he said.
 I'm curious to hear your take on what 2024 is going to reveal and how 2023 has shaped
 us.
 - You see any patterns that were--
 - Well, I do.
 Actually, one thing that I was reflecting on and even wrote about recently was the Capricorn
 solstice in December 21st, we just had it.
 That is a time very traditionally with astrology that we think of, that chart of the exact entrance
 of the sun into Capricorn every year, which is kind of a big deal.
 That's the low point of the light, of course, and that's the one that we look at.
 - Yeah, longest night, shortest day.
 - Exactly, in the Northern Hemisphere.
 So we look at that as a kind of a turning point for the entire year.
 And so in a way, it's even more than the January 1st chart, a way of getting a glimpse
 of the year.
 And one thing I noticed that I thought was very, very interesting because it's so rare
 is that the moon was located at zero degrees of tourists.
 So in other words, just by chance, or you could say by design, just when the sun goes
 right to the zero point of Capricorn for the winter solstice, that's how we define the
 winter solstice.
 At that same moment, the moon, which moves through degree pretty quickly, was actually
 at the zero degree point of tourists, so making a trend.
 So that trend is a nice-- is a certain positive aspect.
 But moreover, this moon was actually in very, very close parallel while conjunction and
 parallel.
 It's five degrees away from Jupiter and also parallel to Jupiter.
 So I was kind of a nice indication for me.
 And I started thinking about that.
 It turns out that it was very closely parallel to Jupiter, which in turn was very closely
 parallel to Saturn.
 - Now what does this mean?
 - And Jupiter is Saturn together.
 - Before they uninitiated, what's the significance?
 Why was it you finding interesting?
 - Well, I was just going to say, so Jupiter and Saturn are called the social planets.
 And we think of them.
 They're kind of in between the first five, which we call the personal planets, counting
 the sun and moon, Mergrivius Mars.
 And then it's also before we have the outer planets, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, which
 are all about transpersonal, go further in other dimensions and beyond what we have in
 3D reality.
 But Jupiter and Saturn, we think of as having to do with the community, having to do with
 mundane astrology so-called trends in the zeitgeist.
 And of course, there's so much going on right now and there's so much public attention to
 what's going on and the moon represents the public.
 So I really feel like one way to read that is it's kind of a positive note that we are
 as a whole global community waking up to how we have to lend our shoulder to the wheel
 right now.
 It's really up to everybody.
 Everybody has to pitch in.
 And you know, it's the world opinion that's going to shift some of these things that are
 going on, like the horrible consequences of the war in Israel and Palestine.
 Sure.
 Yeah.
 Yeah, I think you're right.
 I think the poetry of the fact that it is the most mature earth sign of Capricorn at
 the entry point at the solstice and the baby earth sign of Taurus at the entry point, we're
 really talking about the earth being at a transition point where something new is
 emerging.
 I think so.
 It's unshaped, like a little child and it's going to rattle around and try new things
 because it has a lot to learn, but it's not going to do things the way that they were
 done in the past.
 Well, that's true.
 And it's true in general right now, I believe really because the other thing is these new
 planets that have come along the 21st century, including Eris.
 Eris is a feminine warrior for soul intention.
 And the great thing about Eris is it really is all about you have to tune into where you're
 at independent of anything else, just where you feel called.
 And I like to say it's all about finding what it is that you have to do, what it is that
 you cannot not do.
 And then go with that.
 And it does create a new opportunity.
 That's why I related to what you were saying about is a kind of a time for everybody to
 perk up and smell the coffee and get going.
 Yeah.
 I ask a question about how astrologers discover new planets and how where are they located
 in the universe?
 The orbit of Eris is 559 years.
 So it's actually twice as long as Pluto, which makes sense because as we come into new archetypes,
 they go up like Saturn was no one known to the ancient 30 years and then Uranus comes
 along 84 years.
 And then we have Neptune at 192 years.
 So it just keeps going up and up and up.
 Pluto is 248, but then here's Eris so much beyond that.
 So that was one clue.
 That's really interesting that as our culture develops more tools for seeing into the universe.
 It's almost like we're accelerating the creation of the universe.
 We're finding cycles that go further out and finding our place in these larger pictures.
 That's a really good point.
 Do you think of this little lifestyle such as economy?
 Do you think there are patterns that suggest economic shifts this year?
 Well the thing that's really suggested is we get back to Greta Thunberg because Greta
 hasn't her charted a very strong position of Eris and she's a feminine warrior, which
 is what it is.
 And she's speaking truth to power, which is what it is.
 And she's standing up in front of the UN at the age of 15 and telling the leaders of
 the world they're screwing up.
 You should be ashamed.
 It's really remarkable.
 I don't know if you've ever heard the very short 15 minute speech she gave at the UN
 when she was 15 years old.
 Oh yeah, I've heard it.
 You have stolen my childhood.
 It's so perfect.
 You know what I mean?
 Every sentence there just lands and we've got to make a change.
 We've got to radically change the system and do something about it.
 Leave the fossil fuels in the ground.
 She's of course been very articulate since then as well.
 And she has a very strong position of Eris.
 So I think it's up to those kind of events or those kind of individual actions.
 I always say it to everybody.
 Yeah, it's interesting.
 And we will have to wake up and I really see it as you have this global situation and
 you have all these little global entities, little global personalities, every single one
 of us, all the billions, right?
 And there's these little light bulbs going off.
 You're in there.
 And I just think they're getting more.
 And you know, so many organizations devoted to the idea of saving the environment, saving
 people, dressing income inequality, addressing poverty and starvation hunger and all these
 things.
 So I hope so.
 I really hope that there's a change coming.
 I'm kind of curious, Henry, about your transition from being an MIT scientist to a world-class
 astrologer with a very interesting computer program that has taken the map of the known
 universe and attached it to the poetry of wisdom and legend and stories and ways to
 understand it in a very relationship and human context.
 How did you make that discovery?
 Well, you know, it's funny.
 I always started out on both sides of the line between soft and hard science.
 I was a physics major at MIT, but I was also an English major to some extent in my predilections.
 And I remember in high school, at the very end of high school, I was already going to
 MIT thinking, what is the difference between hard science and the softer sciences like
 sociology and psychology?
 And what I came to as well in the soft sciences, there are just a lot more variables.
 And when I realized that, I thought to myself, I wondered then which is more valuable.
 And I didn't make a transition in my thought process.
 When I was in school, it was around Sputnik time and there was a big, a huge emphasis
 on science and math.
 You know, do this, do this, do this.
 NASA was my, do I do?
 I did.
 And then later on, though, really felt like my poetry was very important and English literature.
 And I switched gears and became a humanist.
 You could major in manatees at MIT.
 And that's what I did.
 I have a bachelor of science degree in humanities.
 So I was already on both sides of that fence.
 And then it was a while before I discovered astrology, but it was perfect when I did.
 Did you, Brace, a mythology of the stars?
 But did you, do you see them like the Greeks?
 Well, I started with Turo.
 I was involved in Turo when I was in Berkeley in the 70s.
 And then there's a lot of astrological symbolism in Turo.
 Turo is also one of these mystical things.
 You put the cards down and it tells you stuff.
 It really does.
 So then how do you reconcile that with what we learn in the hard sciences about
 the mechanistic universe?
 And you can't.
 I mean, it's a mystical side to things.
 Well, I mean, to be that devil's advocate that says the Rorschach test gives you stuff,
 too.
 Well, everything does.
 Well, let me just speak as a lover of the Turo and the way I've always related to it
 as a poet is that all of our mystical systems are creations of art that are mirrors of our
 consciousness.
 So of course, when you are seeking the answer to a question, the mirror will inform you
 because it introduces a sort of a beginner mind new insight that because you're asking
 the question, you attach a meaning to the answer that is revealed.
 And so it's not.
 Well, I think also, I do think, son, also that there's just a mystical side to things
 that we're not so ready to acknowledge because we have all that hard science.
 Oh, absolutely.
 It's kind of ingrained into our culture.
 I agree with that.
 How about the social side of it too?
 Would you say that when you start to give a reading to someone, you start getting feedback
 from them and that creates affinity with that person?
 No, no, I mean, what what happens is I know this is hard.
 It doesn't reconcile with their traditional worldview that we've come up since the enlightenment
 with the rational side of things.
 But I look at the chart and it's just the planets position.
 It's just they're in their orbits.
 And I just say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
 I say five things and they say, oh my God, that's right.
 Oh my God, that's right.
 Oh my God, that's right.
 Oh my God, that's right.
 So it's a very interesting experience because if you think about it from a purely hard science
 perspective, Billiard Ball science, you know, 19th century science, it really doesn't make
 any sense.
 So I've the first thing I say is astrology can't possibly make any sense and yet it works.
 So what do you do with that?
 It's like a very cool and opens your mind.
 How do people attach personalities to the discovery say of a planet like Iris, like where
 did well that's an interesting question.
 And I solved that.
 You know, I wrote this book called the 10th planet and it's become understood.
 I'm the one that came up with feminine warrior in support of soul intention.
 That was my readout that it was from a lot of research.
 We based it a little bit on the mythology of the naming.
 For example, Pluto was named Pluto and then became associated with the underworld and
 with dark underbelly of human psychology.
 And then he got any exact children as a planet.
 The planets that are so far out there are the ones that go to depth within the psyche
 as it turns out.
 It's like you were saying about the mirror.
 It's almost like there's a the personal planets are more like where we were out in a very
 obvious personality way.
 And then the further out you go, the more deeper into our psyche it gets, including yours.
 So that's where the soul intention came along.
 And I've just found it over and over again.
 When I heard about Greta and you could get the vibe for what she was up to, I knew she'd
 have strong ears.
 I just knew that because she was a feminine warrior and her whole activity.
 And sure enough, it's born out when I look at the chart, you know, so that's the way
 it has been, including these other two new ones that are in the Kuiper Belt that are called
 dwarf planets that are officially named as planets.
 Besides Pluto and Iris, there's also how may and maki milky.
 And those are fascinating too.
 Do tell.
 Oh, well, we got we get an interest.
 Gabrielle sent a thing on Iris is kind of, I guess you're kind of curious more about
 how you see Iris as how it fits in as well.
 Iris, yes, like I say, I was one was able to articulate the archetype.
 It's based on the sister of the God of war.
 So right there you get the idea of her work.
 Aries and Iris are siblings.
 Is Iris Mars the brother and sister?
 Yes, she was the sister of Aries in Greek pathology.
 Okay.
 Who was the God of war translated to Mars and Roman transliteration.
 And the thing is, I started thinking about that.
 What's the difference between because she's a feminine warrior and by the way, the nickname
 was Zina when she was first found.
 At least you want to see.
 And there you go, Korea princess, right?
 So there's a kind of chime there.
 So I got warrior.
 People were confused because it's also called the goddess of chaos and discord.
 But the thing is, they were representing their world and chaos follows war.
 And not only that, what I found was that Iris many times signals the birth of a new paradigm.
 So from the standpoint of the old paradigm, that's chaos.
 Think of Einstein.
 You know, you can look at Einstein and say, oh my God, he's so brilliant.
 We got a new conception of the heavens from him.
 And a new conception of the way the whole physical world is put together and all the
 science like bending the beam of light around the sun, it proved him out.
 You know, once we started really investigating, once science caught up to him.
 But at the moment of his first articulation, he's taking Newtonian physics and taking a
 big mop and bucket to it and saying, look out chaos from the standpoint of the old paradigm.
 Yeah.
 That was kind of some of the clues.
 And then I just did the research.
 I looked at chart after chart after chart.
 And I found with Einstein, for example, that Iris was at the top of his chart near the sun
 before earlier than the sun.
 I mean, you know, yes, going forward, it would connect with the sun.
 And it turned out that it went forward slowly, slowly, slowly caught up to the sun and backed
 away, caught up.
 So the time when it actually went past the sun, retrograded back to the sun and stationed
 right on his son degree was 1905.
 And I looked for what that is biography.
 I didn't know offhand.
 But I said, I wonder what the year 1905 was like.
 It was literally that kind of discovery.
 Like this is the year of Iris on his son.
 What was that for his biography?
 Well, it turns out it's called his Anis Morabulous.
 It's the year that he wrote five papers that overturned the foundations of classical physics,
 including relativity.
 Wow.
 Oh my goodness.
 A very short period of time.
 Amazing.
 Well, that was the year that I literally call it his miracle year.
 Right.
 So if you think of chaos and discord as something other than war and think of it as more just
 interruptions to what is the status quo, it really is a rebirth.
 It's the opportunity to remake things without encumbrances of the past.
 Exactly.
 I like it.
 And I particularly like the way you oscillate between the sciences of certainty and the scientists
 of speculation.
 Well, you know, I think it's all science.
 If you look at the root word, it just means knowledge.
 Right.
 When you start exploring the modern astrology, you're really an uncharted territory, aren't
 you?
 You mean the modern science or?
 Well, I was just thinking of the names of the planets that you're introducing.
 I'd say these are very new to a lot of people.
 I don't think people realize that these planets even existed much less that they had a place
 in astrology.
 Well, you know, the interesting thing is they decided to call them dwarf planets.
 And that was political.
 The IAU, not every astronomer agreed with it.
 But the IAU said, well, we thought that Pluto was a real planet.
 But if we call these Kuiper Belt objects real planets, and those are the four biggest, the
 ones that I mentioned, Pluto, and then they discovered years so far away at the far end
 of its orbit.
 I didn't show up when Pluto needed more better telescopes.
 And then now I'm a maki-maki.
 So those are the four largest.
 But they said the astronomers in their wisdom, in their meeting in 2006, the fall of 2006,
 said, well, we can't just call these planets.
 If we call these planets, there's a few others out there.
 So there'll be like 12 planets, 15 planets, next year 25.
 You know, it's like if the cosmology of our existence is based on where the solar system
 is and how many planets from the solar system, there's going to be a sense of instability.
 So that's why they actually were with dwarf.
 All of the asteroid belt into significant factors in our astrological charts.
 Well, the Kuiper Belt, yeah, it's so many out there that could be considered planets
 because they all go around the Sun and they're all spherical.
 You know, not every rock out there is a planet.
 But the ones that have enough mass and gravity to become spherical and circle the Sun, they
 used to be the sign of a planet.
 And they said, well, we have to have some criteria that will distinguish the ones out
 there in the Kuiper Belt.
 So they came up with an arbitrary notion of clears its orbit of debris.
 And that was great because all those other big planets like Neptune, they fit the rule
 because of further staff, they all have that.
 Yes, they still use the words.
 Yeah.
 Okay.
 A couple more basic questions I wonder about is that our scientists have shown that we
 live in a galaxy that has at least 100 billion star systems, maybe as many as 400 billion,
 most of them binary stars.
 And somehow astrology works with maybe a hundred of these stars and generates everything from
 that.
 Isn't that kind of reductionistic?
 Well, the astrology that's most fundamental just uses the solar system in the planets.
 So you really use one star.
 We do keep track of the fixed stars, what we'll call the fixed stars.
 And those are the ones that were known to the ancients before telescopes.
 And they were able to assign meanings to them.
 And one of the very interesting ones there is there's a star called Algol, which is considered
 to be an evil star.
 It's like, this is bad news.
 Stay away from this one.
 It's right on the mid-heaven of Donald Trump.
 Yeah.
 Which is if business is human.
 So it's like, he's not only a failed businessman, he's almost like an evil businessman.
 Yeah, many would agree with that assessment.
 And he doesn't pay people.
 You know, I mean, that's the first law of businesses you give of where you get, right?
 Yeah, well, he definitely has his detractors in that arena.
 But at the same time, he's done pretty well.
 He's a businessman that actually became president.
 That's very unusual.
 Well, right.
 Yes.
 I mean, not.
 And somehow he knows how to play the public very well.
 I would say Donald, plays the public.
 I would say Donald Trump stands out of all the presidents we've ever had in America.
 Well, the only one that refused to do a transfer of power when he was defeated in election.
 Yeah.
 I'm on other things.
 That's what they're afraid of right now.
 That's the whole Colorado thing is all about the 14th amendment.
 And you know, those are all front and center right now.
 Well, I think if we just ask a quick word.
 And the Supreme Court, right?
 I think 100 years from now, when the story is told of how all of these historical events
 have changed the reality that we're living in, we are entering a time of transparency.
 And lies are not going to be able to stand in the future of a profiled, transparent,
 surveillance culture.
 And those words, I don't think are going to be as negative in the future as they were
 in the past because the more information that we use to understand our world through
 the increase of cameras and sensors and AI discerning the patterns of things, the more
 difficult it's going to be for liars and deceivers to get their way.
 And I think that the stage of evolution that we're in right now is going from the rule
 of liars and you could think of Trump rising to the top at the end of that era into an
 era where transparency is the only thing that is going to be trusted.
 Well, you bring up a very interesting point because when you look at these other new ones,
 how may it has a lot to do with telling the truth?
 Tell me.
 Well, may has been square to Pluto since February.
 And since that time, the truth has been coming out.
 You know, there was a Dominion lawsuit that came out in favor of not telling lies and
 there's Trump's legal problems, which a lot of it stems from his telling lies.
 Oh, yeah.
 Rudy Giuliani has got that $1 million fine for basically $148 million.
 Did he declare chapter 11 bankruptcy right after that?
 Of course.
 Yeah.
 That's been going to be a great story for a long time.
 But I don't think any of us could really order back how this is going to play out.
 I think that the mystery element is that it's not what it appears.
 Taking aside when all of us are guilty of not having enough knowledge and information to
 really discern what's true is not really the way we go.
 Well, maybe, but maybe a little astrological insight might throw us in the right direction
 to increase the odds of our predictions as being more accurate.
 It's another element.
 Well, as we speak, this is the full moon.
 And the full moon is in cancer, almost five degrees of cancer.
 And it makes a sex-style Jupiter, which is a five degrees of Taurus.
 And it makes a grand trine with two other planets.
 That sounds like a good name.
 And one of them is Saturn, meaning the world itself.
 And the other one is Halmea, which stands for not only connection to nature, these two
 other ones.
 They've really gotten into them much, but by the mythology and also by all my research,
 they represent profound connection to nature.
 Understanding that we as humans have an important connection to nature that we're not fully
 picking up on.
 That's why these planets come when they do, because that's what the Zeitgeist is experiencing.
 The same thing is true of all the recent discoveries.
 Uranus, the gerontine revolution.
 Neptune was discovered just when there was this whole spiritualist movement of connecting
 to the beyond, to people that had passed over.
 And then Pluto came along just at the time of the Nazis and World War II and the invention
 of the atomic bomb.
 So in other words, some very destructive and power dynamics and finding the flaw.
 Pluto tends to expose the flaw.
 Well, it turns out that Halmea, which was the creation goddess of the white people, the
 mother of Pele, gave birth from all different parts of her body and then regenerated as
 a young woman.
 It's kind of a representation of nature.
 And when I saw nature and humans' connection to nature, I realized that was important.
 And then you find it in all these amazing people, the psychedelic explorers, people like
 Freechapkapra that talked about how we could see the Eastern philosophy reflected in our
 new physics.
 You know that there was a lot of similarities there.
 I like the dancing wooly masters.
 Yes.
 Yes.
 And then I found that also Halmea has to do with telling the truth.
 It has to do with just knowing what is the right thing.
 So I call it right action, right relationship and truth telling.
 And so many times I find it reflected exactly where I expect it to be.
 Somebody comes along and says that Diane Keaton, for example, was a truth teller.
 You could always count on her to be completely honest.
 So I go looking for Halmea and it's all over her chart.
 So it's very interesting research.
 And it is, as I was saying, in this full moon, as we're bringing that up, as Yu Sun mentioned,
 how telling the truth is so important, it's going to become more of a cultural factor that
 we recognize that we have to tell the truth.
 And there it is in this grand trine right now as we speak.
 Right.
 So the question from Zeno out here in Texlan, is this full moon a good time to take shrooms?
 Absolutely.
 Absolutely.
 Okay.
 There you go, Zeno.
 It's a good time to connect.
 Because that connects us too, doesn't it?
 That connects us to some form of truth that we're not getting without that, dropping the
 conventions of normal.
 Well, you know, one of my dear friends who is a very big advocate of right use of what
 we call the allies, the psychedelic plants and the consciousness they're in, is to recognize
 that we co-evolved on this planet together as mutual beneficial life forms and that these
 allies have a part of our evolutionary memory to help us recover.
 They are of the fungi kingdom.
 They are from the plant kingdom in the case of things like ayahuasca.
 And so as they help us to re-experience that vibration of consciousness, we regain our
 connection with those parts of our evolution, where we've, you know, together migrated through
 those parts of evolution.
 I love that.
 Yeah.
 We had a moment at Burning Man, I think it was 07, the year the man burned twice, where
 there was going to be a, you remember that?
 We're supposed to be in a clips of the moon at about 2.30 in the morning.
 And I was out there with Sun.
 We were going to photograph the whole thing.
 Yeah, because the eclipse is out at the Black Rock Desert.
 Tripod set up.
 It's so beautiful.
 Yeah, with the man, the moon and the man in one shot.
 And just, and this is Monday, you know, the man doesn't burn until Saturday, Monday night.
 And just as the moon went fully clips, the fire started under the man.
 The man started on fire.
 And I realized at that point that ancient man, when they would do some ritual like this,
 they would not burn the man.
 On Saturday night.
 At nine, starting to a clock.
 9.30.
 They would go during the moon's fullness.
 We will burn the fire.
 And it turns out that that was the protest of the fellow from the cacophony society.
 Somebody who's in a shamanic state of mind.
 He really felt like Black Rock City was violating a law of nature by not burning the man during
 the eclipse.
 And that's why he started the fire.
 That's the religious, not to burn at significant moments like that.
 And so, because it was an agent of the universe.
 Right.
 He felt that about himself true.
 And luckily, because Burning Man had become such a business organization and they had
 property where they could store all their materials and they were at that stage of their
 evolution, they actually had a second man ready to go that was in process for the following
 year.
 So we did get to see one on Saturday night.
 And so, not only did it burn on, and then they erected the second man, and so the man
 burned twice again on Saturday.
 So they covered both the mystical and the clock.
 It was magic.
 You could say it the other way around, you could say, with this eclipse, something's
 change is going to happen at Burning Man this year.
 Maybe the man will burn twice.
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 So we got Henry.
 Hi Henry, still there?
 Hi.
 Yay.
 12 glorious minutes to bring in the new year with a cosmic perspective.
 Let's see.
 Gabby says, I love that Henry incorporates asteroids, dwarf planets, fixed stars, et
 cetera, in his astrology.
 And it just inspired me to run my chart with all those objects.
 And wow, super fun.
 Rapid hole.
 LOL.
 Good work, Henry.
 Got our astrologer friends out there going for it.
 Yeah, this fascinating, the main thing I'm on is these new planets.
 I call them 21st century planets, KBO planets, beyond Neptune.
 Yeah, it's really cool.
 And it is very age of Aquarius that we're seeing into a whole new part of the universe.
 And it's showing us a much more refined dimension of our human possibility.
 Definitely.
 Speaking of us, is this possible that astrology might be useful in helping to predict the
 behaviors of our evolving friends, the AIs?
 Oh, I don't know.
 It would predict the situation humanity would find itself in with AI.
 Yeah.
 Do tell.
 What do you see when you look ahead?
 Well, you know that people have been talking about the age of Aquarius.
 Yeah.
 And people have been talking about Pluto going into Aquarius this coming year.
 Yeah.
 I mean, it already dipped into Aquarius, but then it jumped right back out.
 It was a little scary for it.
 But now it's getting back into Aquarius January and then all the way through till September
 and then a very brief interlude until the beginning of November when it does reach back
 to Capricorn touching into the last degree of Capricorn.
 Now, you could think of this as kind of a dialogue back and forth between the signs of
 Aquarius and Capricorn.
 And Capricorn kind of represents business as usual.
 And Aquarius, as you were kind of articulating there, represents when you take on things.
 The internet is very much a part of that.
 A scientific viewpoint.
 We're trying to assess our knowledge and understand how we can increase our awareness of every
 level of knowledge, including the beyond knowledge, the knowledge of these mystical aspects of
 life, which is so important, so much a part of life.
 So all of those things are coming into a new viewpoint, a new vision, including the fact
 that really with Aquarius, we're talking about humanity, brotherhood, communion, community,
 all of that being in the here and now versus the age of Pisces, we're leaving behind, which
 was more about be good and it gets really good to die.
 The afterlife.
 Wow, interesting.
 So we do have everything here and now.
 And of course, part of that is our relationship to the machine world.
 That is part of the whole Aquarius notion and the notion of the internet and the social
 media, which had become so prevalent lately.
 It really is part of this new emerging society.
 There's a little fact I wonder if you're aware of.
 I know this through Anabon writes that in the creation of the corporation as a legal
 structure, the history that it originated in the Vatican and that they separated powers
 in terms of jurisdiction and the land, the sea and the air had different jurisdictions
 in terms of corporate law.
 And so the land and the sea were the dominion of the kings and the corporations and the
 businesses, but the Vatican reserved for itself the dominion of the air, which is considered
 to include ideas.
 It includes space.
 It includes intellectual property.
 I would say maybe it also includes the dominion of artificial intelligence since its intellectual
 property.
 So anyway, just as another perspective, since Aquarius is an age ruled by an age of air,
 that all of these things will be much more prevalent.
 Well, you know, those guys knew their four elements as part of the chiro as well.
 You know, you got the four suits and the chiroish correspond to the four elements of earth,
 air, fire and water.
 So it doesn't surprise me too much to hear that they were dividing things up according
 to the Ellen.
 Like you say, the land and the sea would be the earth and the water and the air would
 be the intellectual, which is the way we look at it in terms of astrology too and the air
 signs.
 So yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
 Another question of is there any valuable qualities to having the charts of corporations?
 Oh, yeah, you can do that.
 There's people that do speculation and day trading based on the first trade chart, which
 is always the time the stock market opened on the first day that it was available.
 So it's very easy to get that chart.
 You know, you just look at the particular corporation.
 Wow.
 It's pretty accurate.
 And then the guy that wrote a program that goes through and it looks at all of the transits
 that happen.
 That is the alignments of the planets in the sky against the originating chart.
 And then you can see, you can map that against in the past the trends up and down of the stock
 price.
 And then once you've got it figured out, which ones are the most significant ones, you just
 go and run that into the future and you can see when it's going to go up.
 Fascinating.
 One of the big evolutionary conversations going on if you think about Citizens United
 and our Constitution is whether or not our Constitution protects things like corporations
 that are not people and don't have a birth and don't have a death and whether the laws
 developed for the rights of humans apply to things such as corporations.
 And I would say by extension, two things like AIs that we are developing along the same
 lines as a corporation that we can assign a birth and we can create something that doesn't
 have a death.
 And maybe a lot of our debates have been trying to reorient our legal systems so that it does
 apply to things that don't have a death.
 Well, I think that's a mistake.
 I think when they decided the corporations would be equivalent to a human entity, it's
 a little misleading because a corporation really exists for profit.
 And the big distinguishing factor with humans is that we have this moral sense.
 And I think that's where we're missing and where we're going to come in more strongly
 on the sense of what's right and what's wrong.
 And remember, there's this movie where Al Pacino says, "I have always, every time in my life,
 known the right thing to do.
 I didn't do it, but I knew it.
 I think that's the way it is.
 We do know."
 And I think that's why the human entity is completely a different kind of thing.
 The soul with a mystical connection to things with an etheric body, with tendrils that
 reach into other dimensions.
 You know, whereas the machine world and the corporate world are really just...
 Is there any point to say birthing a new corporation at a particular time?
 Well, you could.
 Yeah.
 I mean, people do it when they know about astrology.
 They say that astrology is a really good tool for business.
 There's a little mantra that goes around in astrological circles, which is, "Millionaires
 don't use astrology.
 Billionaires do."
 I've heard that Ronald Reagan was famously involved in that.
 I actually knew Joan Quigley, who was Ronald and Nancy Reagan's astrologer.
 She looked at me one time when we were working and slumming together.
 She looked at me over her glasses and said, "I helped to stop the Cold War."
 Oh, well, it's "Dop the Cold War," then.
 So what would...
 You have that kind of power.
 What would you want to stop or make happen now?
 Well, I think it's what we were talking about.
 Everybody has to have their voice.
 Everybody has to be heard.
 Everybody has to realize they have power.
 It was Greta that said it, "We have the power."
 She said to the UN, she said, in that first little talk, she said, "Change is inevitable.
 You are faced with change, whether you like it or not.
 We have the power.
 Humanity at large."
 They said at one point, "Gosh, I guess it was...
 I can't remember if it was Trump.
 I think it might have been Bush."
 But anyway, they said the other superpower is public opinion.
 Good point.
 I wonder if there's anything in the charts of the future that talk about humanity taking
 back our power.
 Well, that's what Eris is about, right there.
 I wrote it up in the book that I wrote it from a bunch of different angles.
 Like I say, it's been pretty widely accepted now.
 It does represent you coming from the place of your own empowerment.
 And that does empower you.
 In other words, if you've done everything you can do along the lines that you believe.
 If you know what you believe, you know what you stand for and you take action according
 to that and nothing else, then you can rest easy.
 You know, at least you've done what you can do.
 And if everybody got on board with that, it's sort of like the Alice's Restaurant song.
 Do you remember that 18-minute song that Arlo Guthrie did about Thanksgiving and how he
 got caught for littering and then later on when he got drafted, he got away from having
 to go to Vietnam because of the littering.
 And he said it could become a movement.
 Do you remember?
 Well, if one person goes into the draft board and sings a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
 walks out, that'd be unusual.
 If two people do it, that'd be starting to be an event.
 And what if 10 people did it?
 10 people a day did it.
 That would be a movement.
 You can order anything you want.
 Alice's restaurant.
 I think there's the Arlo Guthrie, maybe a movie about that.
 That's free on YouTube.
 Oh, yeah.
 That's free on YouTube.
 Oh, wow.
 I forgot about the movie.
 Alice's Restaurant.
 1968 YouTube.
 Well, this is very reflective of our theme for our Christmas card this year, which was
 to embrace the John and Yoko Peace campaign of War is Over if you choose it.
 Right.
 Exactly right.
 Yeah.
 If everybody chose it, they would have to.
 Yeah, it wouldn't happen.
 Do you think then that perhaps we just choose not to have war within ourselves?
 And that's a big part of the solution.
 They just are on psychology deal with our own conflicts.
 Absolutely.
 I like to say it's it makes a kind of a matrix, isn't it?
 It's like a hologram.
 You know, when you make the change in your own life, it ripples out from that and all
 these vibrations join in a vast harmony of something or other.
 The inter effects the outer.
 Well, what worked for me in my life is this little mantra I say, forgive now and avoid
 the rush.
 There you go.
 So, Henry, we only got about a minute left.
 So if people want to know more or contact you, what would you suggest?
 You can get a lot of information on my website, a lot of free information or if you wanted
 to download, we do have the time passages software on both of the major desktop platforms
 and also on the two mobile platforms of Android and iPhone.
 And you can get information about that on the website and it's astrograph.com.
 Okay.
 ASTRO, GRI, EH, like astrology writing.
 Okay.
 This has been delightful.
 Thanks so much, Henry.
 It's really fun talking to you.
 Do you want to say this little comment from Billy Sanger?
 Oh, yeah.
 Oh, yeah.
 Another listener wrote in.
 "My draft physical was totally out of Alice's restaurant.
 I'll tell you about that."
 Okay.
 Promises, promises.
 And Gary says, you know, that's true about Nancy Reagan.
 She's seriously into astrology to get nothing without consulting her astrology.
 And thank you.
 And you can too.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Which we have done too.
 Thank you.
 Henry, Henry Seltzer.
 All right.
 Thank you.
 A pleasure consulting you.
 Happy New Year.
 Yeah.
 And Santa Cruz boys, people.
 Don't forget to listen to your local Santa Cruz voice and your inner voice.
 Thanks, Henry.
 Thanks, everybody.
 Bye-bye.
 Bye-bye.
 Bye-bye.
 Bye Bye!